Melatonin megadoses?

I have looked at supplementary S5 which does compare Ionising Radiation alone with Ionising Radiation and Melatonin. This does seem to substantiate the conclusion in “discussion”, but I don’t really have the time to spend on going through the paper in any detail.

It could be that melatonin reduces the oxidising effect of the IR so that the cell doesn’t think it has as much damage.

New claims about melatonin (not just high-dose) and heart failure:

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That’s interesting. I would like to see melatonin users compared to users of other sleeping drugs. I feel like here they compared melatonin users to non-users among people with chronic insomnia: surely those getting melatonin prescribed (even more so in the US where it’s OTC) must have had way more severe insomnia.

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I was taking 2mg of melatonin for years now and it for the last few days I increased the dose to 5mg and wasn’t expecting much. I was wrong! My sleep is much better, I wake up less.
I still have in case I woke up in the night to pee or something a spray in my bed, 1mg per pschitt.

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This study presents correlation and does not prove causation.
Those with significant insomnia may have other underlying problems which lead to CHF et.
I have taken OTC melatonin for 10+ years at 5mg qhs, and now 120mg qhs x 8 months, and I remain healthy.
I do not take melatonin for insomnia, rather for its other potential benefits.
Melatonin-article-Shallenberger_Townsend_2019.pdf

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New study links melatonin and heart failure, but experts say don’t panic yet

Experts say new research findings suggesting that long-term use of melatonin could be associated with increased risk of heart failure need further investigation.

But the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, has drawn mixed reactions from sleep medicine experts and cardiologists, who are urging the public not to panic and are calling for more research into using melatonin for long periods.

The preliminary results, which appear to contradict existing research suggesting that melatonin might have health benefits for people with heart failure, are from a research abstract that is expected to be presented at the American Heart Association’s Scientific Sessions, a conference for cardiovascular science and medicine. Several experts who reviewed the study also noted limitations that make it challenging to determine whether and how long-term melatonin use could influence heart failure, which is when your heart isn’t pumping as well as it should.

“The findings are certainly provocative and warrant attention, especially given the widespread perception of melatonin as a benign, ‘natural’ sleep aid,” said Muhammad Rishi, an associate professor of clinical medicine and spokesperson for the American Academy of Sleep Medicine, who was not involved in the study. “However, the study is observational and based on electronic health record data, which limits its ability to establish causality.”

Limitations

The study’s authors noted several limitations, including that the group of people who did not have an official record of melatonin use could have included individuals who purchased supplements over the counter.

“The most problematic part” of the study, said David Neubauer, a sleep expert at Johns Hopkins University who was not involved in the research, “is we don’t know whether or not those people in the control group were taking melatonin.”

Only using prescriptions to identify melatonin users means it’s possible that people who take over-the-counter melatonin supplements were classified as nonusers, Rishi said. This could result in findings that inflated risk, he said.

The health record data also did not capture details about whether patients with insomnia who were prescribed melatonin reported changes in their sleep, Oen-Hsiao said.

“If they had such bad insomnia that they needed prescription-dose melatonin, were they actually getting the benefit of the melatonin for sleep?” she said. “And if the answer is no, then you cannot have a correlation that melatonin causes heart failure.”

It’s more likely, she said, that the insomnia could be contributing to declining heart health and leading to heart failure. She added that the study did not appear to distinguish what type of heart failure patients were diagnosed with.

Read the full article: New study links melatonin and heart failure, but experts say don’t panic yet (WaPo)

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I just learned that melatonin can worsen symptoms of Sick Sinus Syndrome and other arrhythmias. It may cause bradycardia and too low blood pressure.

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I would be interested in reading any references to this.

I have Sick Sinus Syndrome (SSS) and noticed that my heart rate became slower than normal for me and I also started having very frequent pauses, which are typical for SSS. I asked Chart GPT if Melatonin may worsen the symptoms of SSS and was given an unequivocal answer. Melatonin does worsen SSS, causes slow heart rate and may exacerbate other arrhythmia’s. My cardiologist/electrophysiologist was not concerned that I was taking Melatonin. I since decreased the dose from 50 mg to 1.5 IR/XR from Life Extension. I only hope it will help.
Important to mention, that I have a genotype, rs12506228(AA). The A allele was associated with reduced MTNR1A gene expression and fewer melatonin receptors in the brain. I can’t say I understand this well, but there is supposedly an increased risk of dementia after age of 85. I was unable to learn about any strategies preventing this type of dementia associated with fewer melatonin receptors and decided that taking a high dose of melatonin made sense. I may had decided completely incorrectly- don’t know.

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This is my response from chatGPT

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Thank you very much for this detailed review of the information about cardiac arrythmias and the role of melatonin.
My observation was correct: in predisposed individuals melatonin may cause bradycardia and worsening of Sick Sinus Syndrome, which happened to me. Abnormal MT-1 receptors may also be a predisposing factor.
It is very unfortunate because I do believe in antioxidant and other great qualities of melatonin.

I’ve recently read about this link between melatonin and increased risk of heart failure. I’ve been taking small doses of melatonin for a few years, but this is something that I am trying to reduce. Certainly the massive does of melatonin some here are taking are concerning.

Not concerning to me.

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When you make a statement like that, please include the source.

The source was cite above by @RapAdmin , but in case you missed it, here it is again:

New study links melatonin and heart failure, but experts say don’t panic yet

https://archive.ph/6Vagd#selection-385.0-423.445

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The study cited has many critics. Name me any drug or supplement, and I can find a negative statistical association without causation.

The research behind these headlines, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, is early and does not prove that the supplement causes heart problems.”

The most problematic part” of the study, said David Neubauer, a sleep expert at Johns Hopkins University who was not involved in the research, “is we don’t know whether or not those people in the control group were taking melatonin.”

“While the association we found raises safety concerns about the widely used supplement, our study cannot prove a direct cause-and-effect relationship.”
“This preliminary data (Nnadi et al.) must be interpreted with extreme caution. It is not proof of causation and is heavily confounded by the underlying insomnia.”

"A substantial body of preclinical and human trial data supports a cardioprotective role for melatonin, particularly in acute cardiovascular events. Its potent antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, and mitochondria-protecting properties have been validated in human meta-analyses. These studies demonstrate that melatonin administration can attenuate heart dysfunction, significantly improve left ventricular ejection fraction (LVEF), and reduce myocardial damage (measured by troponin) in patients following acute cardiac events. Furthermore, meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) confirm a modest but statistically significant blood pressure-lowering effect.

In summary, preclinical studies clearly suggest the cardiovascular health benefit of both endogenous and supplementary melatonin. Melatonin is an important safe molecule with a wide range of physiological functions in animals and humans, with a strong therapeutic potential in CVDs.

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I. Executive Summary

The core thesis of this medical discourse features an updated paradigm shift in sleep science, transitioning from a historical focus on sleep duration to a multidimensional prioritization of circadian regularity, prophylactic sleep banking, and targeted neurochemical interventions. Dr. Matthew Walker establishes that while sleep quantity remains a critical determinant of all-cause mortality, the Sleep Regularity Index (SRI) serves as a more powerful statistical predictor of longevity and cardiometabolic health. Large-scale prospective data demonstrate that high night-to-night variability in sleep onset and wake times drives systemic pathology, whereas maintaining a narrow 30-minute consistency window reduces all-cause mortality by 49%.

From a biotechnological and therapeutic perspective, this analysis deconstructs long-standing consumer health myths and introduces novel pharmacological mechanisms for neurodegenerative prophylaxis. Traditional over-the-counter interventions—such as standard oral magnesium salts (oxide, citrate) and supra-physiological melatonin megadoses (10–20 mg)—are exposed as pharmacologically inefficient. Most magnesium variants fail to navigate the blood-brain barrier, while high-dose melatonin induces profound next-day hormonal fog and receptor desynchronization without providing superior sleep-generation kinetics.

Conversely, the discovery of genetic short sleepers (harboring mutations in the DEC2 and ADRB1 loci) proves that human sleep architecture can be compressed into highly efficient, dense windows that protect cognitive and physiological baselines. This evolutionary efficiency underpins the deployment of Web 3.0 sleeping medications: Dual Orexin Receptor Antagonists (DORAs), such as suvorexant, lemborexant, and daridorexant. Unlike classical GABAA​ receptor agonists (e.g., zolpidem) that sedate the cerebral cortex and suppress the brain’s internal clearance mechanisms, DORAs selectively downregulate the wakefulness drive within the brainstem. Recent human randomized controlled trials validate that DORA-induced sleep preserves naturalistic slow-wave sleep architecture, directly facilitating the glymphatic system’s convective clearance of neurotoxic proteins, including beta-amyloid and hyperphosphorylated tau. Consequently, these compounds represent a validated therapeutic class for mitigating the long-term cascade of Alzheimer’s disease pathology.

II. Insight Bullets

  1. Most commercial forms of magnesium, specifically magnesium oxide and magnesium citrate, fail to cross the blood-brain barrier and do not directly influence central sleep architecture.
  2. Sleep generation is an active, highly coordinated cerebral process; peripheral interventions that fail central nervous system (CNS) penetrance yield negligible direct therapeutic benefits.
  3. Magnesium L-threonate is the primary form of magnesium backed by clinical evidence demonstrating effective blood-brain barrier navigation.
  4. High night-to-night variability in sleep onset and wake times correlates with a 49% increased risk of premature all-cause mortality.
  5. Irregular sleep schedules independent of total duration drive a 57% increase in incident cardiometabolic disease risk.
  6. Modern sleep medicine recognizes four structural pillars of sleep architecture, categorized as quantity, quality, regularity, and timing (QQRT).
  7. Evolutionary pressure heavily selected for sleep despite severe survival penalties, such as total vulnerability to predation and cessation of foraging, indicating its mandatory biological utility.
  8. Sleep is not a passive or dormant state, but an intense, highly active neurobiological phase required to sustain genomic integrity and physical homeostasis.
  9. Globally, standard medical school curricula provide an average of only 1.2 to 2.0 total hours of formal education on sleep mechanics.
  10. Society enforces a toxic cultural stigma that frames sufficient sleep as an indicator of low productivity or professional insignificance.
  11. Common sleep disruptors include a triad of exogenous compounds: alcohol, caffeine, and tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), which dismantle sleep architecture while masking as sleep aids.
  12. Cognitive impairments induced by acute sleep deprivation can be buffered by up to 40% if an individual proactively undergoes “sleep banking” via extended sleep windows in the preceding week.
  13. Weekend catch-up sleep reduces baseline cardiovascular risk by 20% in chronically sleep-deprived individuals compared to those who short-sleep continuously.
  14. Weekend sleep extension fails to rescue sleep-loss-induced deficits in immune function, glycemic control, or baseline cognitive performance.
  15. Prophylactic sleep banking establishes a dense biological buffer zone that minimizes the steepness of cognitive decline during unexpected shifts or prolonged wakefulness.
  16. The purported “blue light myth” of digital devices confuses absolute photon toxicity with the profound psychological activation and attention capture engineered by social media platforms.
  17. A single hour of tablet reading before bed induces a “blast radius” of disrupted rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and suppressed endogenous melatonin that echoes for a full week.
  18. Melatonin functions strictly as a biological chronobiotic (“starting official”) signaling the onset of darkness; it does not actively participate in the mechanical generation of sleep.
  19. Comprehensive clinical meta-analyses reveal that exogenous melatonin shortens sleep onset latency by an average of only 3.4 minutes and increases sleep efficiency by 2.2%.
  20. Exogenous melatonin dosing at 10 mg to 20 mg represents a massive supra-physiological exposure that keeps circulating levels artificially elevated into the morning hours.
  21. Morning melatonin saturation fools the central clock into registering darkness during daylight hours, inducing a severe hormonal fog that drives excessive morning caffeine consumption.
  22. Validated clinical indications for exogenous melatonin deployment are strictly limited to the mitigation of acute jet lag and verified circadian phase shift disorders.
  23. Pediatric admissions for accidental or poisonous melatonin overdoses in the United States escalated by 503% over a recent 10-year observational timeline.
  24. Historical animal data from the 1970s demonstrate that high-dose, long-term melatonin administration causes significant testicular atrophy and stunting of reproductive development in juvenile rats.
  25. Short-term human clinical trials show no permanent shutdown of endogenous melatonin production via negative feedback upon supplement cessation, though multi-year safety data remain unquantified.
  26. Behavioral sleep procrastination and “bed rotting” are highly correlated with specific psychological phenotypes, including high neuroticism, high impulsivity, and elevated baseline anxiety.
  27. Unlocking a smartphone immediately upon waking triggers a rapid wave of anticipatory anxiety, handing control of the morning neurochemical state to external agendas.
  28. Anticipatory anxiety regarding an early morning flight or high-stress event severely degrades the depth and volume of restorative slow-wave sleep the night prior.
  29. The clinical target for healthy objective sleep tracker metrics is a sleep efficiency score sitting strictly at or above 85%.
  30. In large-scale epidemiological models, sleep regularity beats total sleep quantity in a direct statistical head-to-head competition for predicting all-cause mortality.
  31. Human society is profoundly dark-deprived at night due to universal exposure to “junk light,” which continuously delays the natural melatonin crescendo.
  32. Systematic reduction of ambient home lighting to below 30 lux for 90 minutes prior to bed, paired with a transition to warm yellow wavelengths, expands REM sleep volume by 18%.
  33. The thalamus serves as the principal sensory gate of the central nervous system; its physical closure during the transition to sleep blocks external sensory signaling from reaching the cerebral cortex.
  34. The master 24-hour biological timepiece regulating the mammalian system is the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN), located deep within the hypothalamus.
  35. Without photon-driven synchronization from the retina, the innate human SCN clock drifts to a baseline rhythm of approximately 24 hours and 15 minutes.
  36. Associative learning mechanisms can rapidly transform the bed into an environmental cue for wakefulness and frustration, a pathological state termed “conditioned arousal.”
  37. The initial trauma or bereavement that triggers acute insomnia is distinct from the conditioned behavioral associations that lock chronic insomnia into place.
  38. Standard cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia (CBT-I) mandates the “20-minute rule”: if sleep onset fails within 20 minutes, the patient must evacuate the bed to break the conditioned wakefulness loop.
  39. Chronically counting sleep cycles or staring at a digital clock at 3:00 AM reinforces specific waking neural circuits and escalates performance anxiety, driving sleep further away.
  40. Cognitive distraction protocols—such as executing highly detailed, 4K-granularity mental walks through familiar geographical paths—significantly accelerate sleep re-entry timelines.
  41. Magnesium supplements provide an indirect, non-central benefit to sleep architecture by inducing peripheral muscle relaxation, which downregulates afferent signaling via the vagus nerve.
  42. Botanical adaptogens like ashwagandha and phospholipids like phosphatidylserine optimize sleep by dampening sympathetic nervous system overdrive and blunting elevated circulating cortisol.
  43. Insomnia patients exhibit highly pathological cortisol dynamics, characterized by anomalous hormone spikes immediately prior to bedtime and unexpected spikes during midnight arousals.
  44. Deep slow-wave non-REM sleep serves as the primary memory futureproofing mechanism, transferring fragile data from the temporary hippocampus to the permanent long-term storage of the cortex.
  45. Waking up two hours early (e.g., sleeping 6 hours instead of 8) causes a 25% drop in total sleep time but strips away up to 70% of the individual’s entire nightly allocation of REM sleep.
  46. REM sleep provides critical “emotional first aid” by replaying traumatic memories within a unique neurochemical environment where stress-inducing noradrenaline is entirely shut off.
  47. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) represents a fundamental failure of this noradrenergic dampening mechanism during REM sleep, trapping the brain in a loop of emotionally un-stripped, repetitive nightmares.
  48. Frequent distressing nightmares indicate a severe breakdown in emotional processing and serve as a highly sensitive biological distress beacon, carrying an 800% increased likelihood of suicidal tendencies.
  49. REM sleep functions as an informational alchemist, forging distant, non-obvious associative connections across memory networks to drive creative problem-solving and deep insight.
  50. Genetic short sleepers possess rare point mutations in the DEC2 or ADRB1 genes that compress their physiological requirement down to 6.25 hours without any downstream systemic pathology.
  51. The mathematical probability of an individual carrying the protective ADRB1 genetic short-sleeper variant is lower than the statistical likelihood of being struck by lightning.
  52. Acute sleep deprivation distorts the homeostatic balance of appetite hormones, triggering a severe drop in the satiety signal leptin alongside a sharp increase in the hunger hormone ghrelin.
  53. Under conditions of restricted sleep, a caloric deficit shifts systemic fat-loss mechanics; up to 70% of all mass lost is stripped from lean muscle tissue while the body aggressively preserves adipose fat tissue.
  54. Fasting and nutritional ketosis stimulate a sharp upswing in the wake-promoting brain chemical orexin (hypocretin), shortening total sleep time and keeping the brain in a hyper-alert foraging state.
  55. Classical sleep pharmacology (Web 1.0 and 2.0, including benzodiazepines and Z-drugs like Ambien) relies on widespread cortical sedation via GABA-receptor activation, which reduces essential glymphatic toxin clearance by up to 40%.
  56. Web 3.0 sleep pharmacology features Dual Orexin Receptor Antagonists (DORAs), which block wake-promoting pathways in the brainstem without sedating the cortex, thereby preserving the slow-wave sleep required to flush out beta-amyloid and tau proteins.

III. Adversarial Claims & Evidence Table

Claim from Video Speaker’s Evidence Scientific Reality (Current Data) Evidence Grade Verdict
Sleep regularity is a stronger statistical predictor of all-cause mortality than total sleep quantity [00:45:21]. Large-scale statistical head-to-head analysis from the UK Biobank dataset. Device-measured actigraphy in 88,975 UK Biobank participants confirmed that a high Sleep Regularity Index (SRI) is non-linearly and robustly associated with up to a 49% reduction in all-cause mortality, independent of sleep duration. Cribb et al., 2023 Level C (Cohort) Strong Support
Standard forms of magnesium (oxide, citrate) are useless for sleep because they fail to cross the blood-brain barrier [01:05:53]. A comprehensive literature deep-dive conducted by the speaker. While peripheral bioavailability is poor and centrally mediated sleep generation is unaltered, these forms reduce somatic hyperarousal via smooth muscle relaxation and NMDA receptor regulation. They also correct explicit systemic deficiencies. Didwal, 2026 Level C Plausible (With Peripheral Caveats)
New DORA drugs enhance glymphatic clearance and actively reduce Alzheimer’s beta-amyloid and tau protein levels in human CSF [01:59:52]. Lumbar spinal puncture human biomarker studies tracking siphoned CSF fluid. A double-blind RCT demonstrated that 20 mg of the DORA suvorexant acutely decreased amyloid-beta by 10–20% and hyperphosphorylated tau-181 by 10–15% in human central nervous system fluid. Lucey et al., 2023 Level B (RCT) Strong Support
Exogenous melatonin provides little benefit beyond a placebo for standard sleep issues, altering sleep onset by just 3.4 minutes [00:22:38]. Pooled bucket data from comprehensive pharmacological meta-analyses. Systematic reviews confirm that for non-circadian primary insomnia, the effect size of standard melatonin on sleep onset latency and sleep efficiency is minimal, closely tracking placebo values. Hardeland, 2013 Level A (Meta-analysis) Strong Support
Ambient lighting below 30 lux for 90 minutes before bed expands REM sleep architecture by 18% without drugs [00:54:07]. Specific environmental light manipulation laboratory studies. Broad consensus supports that dimming light and eliminating short-wavelength blue light shifts human melatonin onset profiles, preventing the suppression of nocturnal REM cycles and maximizing structural sleep architecture. Esteban-Zubero et al., 2024 Level B (RCT) Strong Support
When dieting under sleep restriction, 70% of mass lost is derived from lean muscle tissue, not adipose tissue [01:52:33]. Controlled human metabolic and dietary sleep deprivation studies. Randomized crossover metabolic ward studies show that sleep-restricted dieters lose significantly less fat mass and lose up to 60–70% more fat-free lean mass due to altered respiratory quotients and elevated cortisol. Life Extension Sleep Loss Data Level B (RCT) Strong Support

IV. Actionable Protocol (Prioritized)

High Confidence Tier (Level A/B Evidence)

  • Strict Circadian Anchoring via the Sleep Regularity Index (SRI): Enforce a fixed bedtime and wakefulness window with a maximum allowable night-to-night variance of ±15 minutes (30 minutes total wiggle room). Maintain this anchor across both weekdays and weekends to optimize SCN clock precision and lower systemic cardiometabolic risk.
  • Retinal Photoperiodic Optimization: Initiate a comprehensive domestic lighting shutdown 90 minutes prior to the target bedtime. Lower all ambient light structures strictly below 30 lux using warm, elongated spectrums (yellow/red). Avoid close-range attention-capturing digital media to prevent conditioned cortical arousal.
  • Prophylactic Sleep Banking Protocols: Prior to entering a phase of inevitable, acute sleep deprivation (e.g., intensive travel, medical call shifts, commercial project sprints), expand the nightly sleep opportunity to 10 hours in bed for 7 consecutive days. This builds a cognitive buffer that reduces downstream execution deficits by 40%.
  • Caloric Deficit Architecture Protection: Never execute an aggressive fat-loss caloric restriction protocol during phases of active sleep fragmentation or chronic restriction (under 7 hours). If sleep is restricted, halt the deficit to prevent the systemic destruction of lean muscle mass.

Experimental Tier (Level C/D Evidence)

  • Blood-Brain Barrier Penetrant Mineral Supplementation: For targeted central nervous system relaxation, bypass standard magnesium variants and deploy Magnesium L-threonate. This form optimizes cerebrospinal fluid magnesium concentrations and supports downstream central NMDA receptor regulation.
  • HPA-Axis Autonomic Downregulation: To counter the “tired but wired” phenomenon and suppress abnormal pre-bed cortisol elevations, administer ashwagandha root extract and phosphatidylserine 60 minutes prior to bed. This helps suppress sympathetic hyperarousal and transition the body to parasympathetic dominance.
  • Chronobiotic Micro-Dosing: Limit exogenous melatonin intake strictly to ranges between 0.1 mg and 3.0 mg, timed 30 to 60 minutes before the desired sleep window. Restrict its use to the correction of acute jet lag or verified delayed sleep phase tracking.

Red Flag Zone (Safety Data Absent / Debunked)

  • Cortical Sedation via GABA Agonists (Z-Drugs/Benzodiazepines): Avoid chronic use of agents like zolpidem (Ambien) for organic sleep generation. These drugs induce a state of cortical sedation rather than natural sleep, and have been shown to reduce glymphatic toxin clearance by 30% to 40%.
  • Standard Magnesium Megadosing for Neurological Insomnia: Cease using magnesium oxide or citrate as tools to directly alter brain processes or fix sleep architecture. They carry a low blood-brain barrier diffusion coefficient, and their primary central value is limited to peripheral somatic relaxation.

I’m going with Matthew Walker on this. Around 22 minutes he speaks firmly against the use of megadoses of melatonin (10-20mg and more). We are all free to disagree or not.

I am not going to bother listening to the video. I would spend some time reading any written arguments, but I have heard Matthew Walker on this before.

Looking at my records I started averaging over 1g of Melatonin a night in July 2024. I continue doing weekly blood draws. I see reasons to continue and no reason to stop. This may not apply to anyone else, but I make my own decisions.

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Melatonin suppresses glycolysis and coordinately disrupts DNA repair via targeting the YAP1-NAMPT signaling in breast cancer 2025

Highlights

  • Melatonin inhibits glycolysis and aggressiveness in TNBC.
  • Melatonin downregulates YAP-NAMPT expression.
  • Melatonin suppresses the crosstalk between glycolysis and DNA repair signaling.
  • Combined treatment with melatonin and Olaparib enhanced therapeutic effectiveness.
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