Hot Mic Picks Up Putin And Xi Discussing Organ Transplants And Immortality

Hmmm…? I typically avoid discussions of politics on forums. That said, some global politics warrant concern.

Pretty certain I don’t want these guys in power until they reach 150…

“The longer you live, the younger you become,” Putin said, according to a translator who picked up the unscripted moment for China’s state broadcaster.

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Sep 3, 2025, 10:29 PM EDT

BEIJING, Sept 3 (Reuters) — When Russian President Vladimir Putin walked shoulder to shoulder with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday, a hot mic caught them discussing organ transplants and the possibility that humans could live to 150 years old.

The moment came as Putin and Xi walked with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un at the head of a delegation of more than two dozen foreign leaders to view a military parade in Beijing marking the 80th anniversary of the end of World War Two.

The moment was carried on the livestream provided by state broadcaster CCTV to other media, including AP and Reuters. China’s radio and TV administration said CCTV’s coverage of the event was viewed 1.9 billion times online and by more than 400 million on TV.

As Putin and Xi walked toward the Tiananmen rostrum where they viewed the parade with Kim, Putin’s translator could be heard saying in Chinese: “Biotechnology is continuously developing.”

The translator added, after an inaudible passage: “Human organs can be continuously transplanted. The longer you live, the younger you become, and (you can) even achieve immortality.”

In response, Xi, who was off camera, can be heard responding in Chinese: “Some predict that in this century humans may live to 150 years old.”

Kim was smiling and looking in the direction of Putin and Xi, but it was not clear if the conversation was being translated for him. Putin cannot be heard speaking clearly in Russian in the CCTV clip.

Putin confirmed later that he and Xi had discussed the subject on Wednesday.

“I think when we went to the parade, the chairman talked about it,” Putin told reporters in Beijing when asked about the leaked conversation.

“Modern means of health improvement, medical means, even surgical ones related to organ replacement, they allow humanity to hope that active life will continue differently than it does today,” he said.

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I posted about this in this thread earlier, but perhaps it needs its own thread: The Cure for Death Means Billionaires Will Live Forever—and Be Rich Forever - #84 by RapAdmin

I suspect this is going to become a bigger issue for the longevity community more broadly as things progress in the field. Very few people (as a proportion of the public) want to see dictators living longer and longer, while their population suffers, and wars are started by “Presidents for life” with imperial ambitions.

I touched on this in the thread on the MBS/ Saudi / Hevolution thread:

People are also concerned about “unintended consequences” around longevity biotech. We see frequently that new technologies and innovations result in serious problems that were unanticipated, or ignored early on. The Internet was thought initially to level the playing field so that small businesses and individuals around the world could sell everywhere easily, but it instead greatly enabled the creation of monopolies, so companies like Amazon and Google dominate global e-commerce. Social media was developed with the goal of “building community and bringing the world closer together” but instead it frequently fosters deadly conflict and misinformation, and polarizes people with personalized information bubbles .

What does society look like if the top 1% of the wealthiest [and dictators] have life expectancies that increase 10%, 30% or 60% faster than the life expectancy increases of the bottom 95% of the population? Prices for longevity technologies may come down over time, but the wealthy (including dictators) will repeatedly get the most effective and expensive therapies as they become available (think Bryan Johnson but even more so), and they can do them more often since cost is no object, so the “lifespan inequality gap” will always grow. And, of course, wealth inequality and lifespan inequality will be mutually reinforcing; the more money you have, the longer you live, the longer you live the more money you get… How long will it be before human society starts looking like that of the bee colony, where the queen bee lives 5 to 10 times longer than the worker bees ? What if longevity science identifies a technology that will allow lifespans 10X longer, but costs $10 Million in medical procedures? What if monthly $50,000 “young blood transfusions ” allowed 5X lifespan improvement? All indications are that lifespan inequality will quickly become a big problem unless specifically targeted early on. It would be prudent for Hevolution to put some significant investments into groups focused on identifying and modeling potential problems in longevity biotech at the macro level and identify solutions in advance, or find actions that obviate the problems. By doing so, the foundation would signal that they are taking their stated mission seriously, and not hiding behind it to justify MBS’s dreams of living forever.

I look forward to the investment in geroscience research, but I’m more than a little concerned about how this is going to play out in the press, and the court of public opinion, which is concerned about dictators, royalty and billionaires being the primary beneficiaries of this research. The increasing health and income inequality in society is a huge and urgent issue in the world today and many people are concerned that geroscience and longevity biotech may make the problem even worse, potentially by an order of magnitude. Public opinion is already largely negative on the issue of significant life extension via biotechnology and geroscience . Longevity science investments by the world’s aristocracy may make society much more volatile if the benefits are not distributed broadly. Most people probably wouldn’t accept a world where their lifespan varies in direct proportion to the size of their bank account. However, an early “win” with a positive clinical trial for a generic drug like rapamycin, metformin, or acarbose, because they are cheap and available, would go a long way in assuaging concerns, and in redeeming MBS/Hevolution, geroscience and longevity science in any detractor’s eyes and help build public and NIH/NHS support and momentum.

Ultimately some of these issues (e.g. dictators living longer) exist with or without geroscience research because the wealthy already have much better medical care (see Saudi Royal family spends $1.5 million for a health checkup at the Mayo Clinic ). And the issue of who benefits (e.g many bad people with too much money, oligarchs, etc.) would come up no matter who funded the longevity or even more broadly any who benefits from any medical R&D. On the whole this investment could be a very positive development for most of humanity if it is managed well. The negatives are a matter of degree, not of kind (at least right now). Given that a number of the identified longevity compounds are already generic drugs, I have no question that the public at large has a potential to really benefit from them if they are proven as effective in humans as they are in animals.

If the Hevolution Foundation wants to be seen as focused on helping all humanity, and not just the vanity project of a prince, it needs to seriously invest and address the legitimate concerns that people have about geroscience research.

Humanity will also have to resolve any of the downsides that we do encounter and dictators are a problem today whether they live 70 or 120 years. Even today the children of dictators and royalty (e.g. Kim Jung Un in North Korea) frequently replace their elder family members, so dictatorships are an issue no matter how long the ruler’s life is.

Source: Hevolution Foundation, Saudi $ Billions into Anti-Aging

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Now we know why Putin kidnapped all those Ukrainian children…

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On the positive side once major governments begin pursuing this stuff with their endless budgets we will get a lot of progress.

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There’s a lot of rumours about China and organ transplants for the elites, perhaps harvested from the millions of people currently kept in prison camps.

Putin has also definitely had quite a lot of cosmetic surgery done in order to try and look younger. He is also, apparently, totally dry and doesn’t drink alcohol at all.

Both of them have lived past the life expectancy for men in their respective countries. Money clearly helps!

On a related note, President Trump had a health check recently. (Info from The Guardian)

At his physical in January 2018, his total cholesterol was 223 mg/dl. In early 2019, it was 196 and in 2020 it was 167. In Sunday’s (August 2025) report, it was listed as 140. Trump’s blood pressure was 128/74.

Trump’s resting heart rate was 62 beats per minute. He did an EKG stress test and showed “Above average exercise capacity based on age and sex.”

He is taking rosuvastatin (40mg per day) and 10 mg ezetimibe. In 2018 he had a CAC of 135.

He’s also been diagnosed with “chronic venous insufficiency” in August 2025, and reporters noticed edema around his ankles.

Honestly, they’re not ‘terrible’ numbers for somebody almost 80, is obviously overweight, consumes massive amounts of Big Macs and Diet Cokes (12 per day apparently) etc. However, it’s quite interesting that his treatment is fairly minimal. I assume that his team of incredibly well-credentialed doctors know what they’re doing.

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MIT Technology Review comments on the story…

(Putin says organ transplants could grant immortality. Not quite. | MIT Technology Review)
Putin says organ transplants could grant immortality. Not quite.

MIT Technology Review by Jessica Hamzelou / Sep 5, 2025 at 5:16 AM

This week I’m writing from Manchester, where I’ve been attending a conference on aging. Wednesday was full of talks and presentations by scientists who are trying to understand the nitty-gritty of aging—all the way down to the molecular level. Once we can understand the complex biology of aging, we should be able to slow or prevent the onset of age-related diseases, they hope.

Then my editor forwarded me a video of the leaders of Russia and China talking about immortality. “These days at 70 years old you are still a child,” China’s Xi Jinping, 72, was translated as saying, according to footage livestreamed by CCTV to multiple media outlets.

“With the developments of biotechnology, human organs can be continuously transplanted, and people can live younger and younger, and even achieve immortality,” Russia’s Vladimir Putin, also 72, is reported to have replied.

There’s a striking contrast between that radical vision and the incremental longevity science presented at the meeting. Repeated rounds of organ transplantation surgery aren’t likely to help anyone radically extend their lifespan anytime soon.

First, back to Putin’s proposal: the idea of continually replacing aged organs to stay young. It’s a simplistic way to think about aging. After all, aging is so complicated that researchers can’t agree on what causes it, why it occurs, or even how to define it, let alone “treat” it.

Having said that, there may be some merit to the idea of repairing worn-out body parts with biological or synthetic replacements. Replacement therapies—including bioengineered organs—are being developed by multiple research teams. Some have already been tested in people. This week, let’s take a look at the idea of replacement therapies.

No one fully understands why our organs start to fail with age. On the face of it, replacing them seems like a good idea. After all, we already know how to do organ transplants. They’ve been a part of medicine since the 1950s and have been used to save hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone.

And replacing old organs with young ones might have more broadly beneficial effects. When a young mouse is stitched to an old one, the older mouse benefits from the arrangement, and its health seems to improve.

The problem is that we don’t really know why. We don’t know what it is about young body tissues that makes them health-promoting. We don’t know how long these effects might last in a person. We don’t know how different organ transplants will compare, either. Might a young heart be more beneficial than a young liver? No one knows.

And that’s before you consider the practicalities of organ transplantation. There is already a shortage of donor organs—thousands of people die on waiting lists. Transplantation requires major surgery and, typically, a lifetime of prescription drugs that damp down the immune system, leaving a person more susceptible to certain infections and diseases.

So the idea of repeated organ transplantations shouldn’t really be a particularly appealing one. “I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon,” says Jesse Poganik, who studies aging at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston and is also in Manchester for the meeting.

Poganik has been collaborating with transplant surgeons in his own research. “The surgeries are good, but they’re not simple,” he tells me. And they come with real risks. His own 24-year-old cousin developed a form of cancer after a liver and heart transplant. She died a few weeks ago, he says.

So when it comes to replacing worn-out organs, scientists are looking for both biological and synthetic alternatives.

We’ve been replacing body parts for centuries. Wooden toes were used as far back as the 15th century. Joint replacements have been around for more than a hundred years. And major innovations over the last 70 years have given us devices like pacemakers, hearing aids, brain implants, and artificial hearts.

Scientists are exploring other ways to make tissues and organs, too. There are different approaches here, but they include everything from injecting stem cells to seeding “scaffolds” with cells in a lab.

In 1999, researchers used volunteers’ own cells to seed bladder-shaped collagen scaffolds. The resulting bioengineered bladders went on to be transplanted into seven people in an initial trial.

Now scientists are working on more complicated organs. Jean Hébert, a program manager at the US government’s Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health, has been exploring ways to gradually replace the cells in a person’s brain. The idea is that, eventually, the recipient will end up with a young brain.

Hébert showed my colleague Antonio Regalado how, in his early experiments, he removed parts of mice’s brains and replaced them with embryonic stem cells. That work seems a world away from the biochemical studies being presented at the British Society for Research on Ageing annual meeting in Manchester, where I am now.

On Wednesday, one scientist described how he’d been testing potential longevity drugs on the tiny nematode worm C. elegans. These worms live for only about 15 to 40 days, and his team can perform tens of thousands of experiments with them. About 40% of the drugs that extend lifespan in C. elegans also help mice live longer, he told us.

To me, that’s not an amazing hit rate. And we don’t know how many of those drugs will work in people. Probably less than 40% of that 40%.

Other scientists presented work on chemical reactions happening at the cellular level. It was deep, basic science, and my takeaway was that there’s a lot aging researchers still don’t fully understand.

It will take years—if not decades—to get the full picture of aging at the molecular level. And if we rely on a series of experiments in worms, and then mice, and then humans, we’re unlikely to make progress for a really long time. In that context, the idea of replacement therapy feels like a shortcut.

“Replacement is a really exciting avenue because you don’t have to understand the biology of aging as much,” says Sierra Lore, who studies aging at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark and the Buck Institute for Research on Aging in Novato, California.

Lore says she started her research career studying aging at the molecular level, but she soon changed course. She now plans to focus her attention on replacement therapies. “I very quickly realized we’re decades away [from understanding the molecular processes that underlie aging],” she says. “Why don’t we just take what we already know—replacement—and try to understand and apply it better?”

So perhaps Putin’s straightforward approach to delaying aging holds some merit. Whether it will grant him immortality is another matter.

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Maybe it’s good genetics… but somehow I suspect that those Big Macs, KFC and Diet Cokes are just rumors. The White House has an excellent Chef, his food is free and probably healthy. He does get some exercise playing Golf.

While I’m sure Putin will try to rule as long as he can…

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If his numbers are so good, why doesn’t he look healthy then? Could the numbers be simply forged? It was customary to do it in the former Soviet Union. All leaders were very healthy per reports. In reality, they all lived rather short and unhealthy lives.

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Global coverage of this today in the news… probably “Longevity”'s biggest moment in the news in decades. Probably not in a good way… Longevity Biotech needs to come up with some better answers (and concrete steps) on why longevity research isn’t just going to be co-opted by the dictators and billionaires for their benefit over that of everyone else.

“Longevity science” is now irrevocably linked in people’s minds as a key tool for dictators and billionaires. What concrete steps will the field take now to broaden its impact and benefit.

Every researcher and company needs a clear and actionable plan for how they are going to avoid the trap of just being tools for dictators, how are these companies going to get their products and services quickly out to benefit most people and not just the few.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/03/world/europe/putin-xi-immortality-organ-transplants.html

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Maybe dictators could be guinea pigs for up and coming therapies?

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Hummm… But the telomeres shortening limits the lifespan to around 120 years, which leads to a systematic life corruption when a human reaches that old.

Organ transplants in China are commonplace. I know someone who bought a kidney and had it transplanted. It cost 50,000 USD. My sister in law has lost both kidneys and her doctor has offered to help her go to mainland China to buy a new one, but now the price is 150,000 USD. You can survive on one kidney and 50-100,000 USD is enough to retire on in some places.

If you were offered retirement money for a kidney, you might just do it too. As for other organs, I don’t know the details.

“There are no solutions, only tradeoffs” - Thomas Sowell

Every new technology brings upsides and downsides, and as long as former outweigh the latter we should proceed.
The challenge is to tip the balance as much as possible in our favour.

With all the problems the internet has brought, who prefers to go back to the pre-internet era?

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The telomere involvement in aging is much more complex and generally now not thought to be a key limiter in lifespans from the science I’ve read. See:

Morgan Levine, is a leading scientist in the field of biomarkers of aging, and moved from Yale to Altos Labs last year - here is her take: “TL (telomere length) has been viewed as a weak biomarker for a decade”

He looks better than he should, that’s all I am saying - this is pure clinical assessment, politics aside.

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