The Problem of Excess Deaths

Long covid is one potential culprit for excess deaths. Virus infections often give rise to health problems after the acute infection. Long COVID is a post-acute infection syndrome (PAIS) and shares similarities with other such syndromes. I see one case in a friend of our family. An unvaccinated girl, 9 when she got COV-19. Before the infection she was playful, outgoing, full of energy and did well in school. More than 1,5 years after the infection, she is easily fatigued, manage a few hours in school then has to rest. Long covid show up with different symptoms, like

"fatigue, shortness of breath, “brain fog”, sleep disorders, fevers, gastrointestinal symptoms, anxiety, and depression. After Covid infections people are at increased risk of endothelial dysfunction, stroke, pulmonary embolism and myocardial infraction after recovering from an acute COVID infection.

Issues with increased blood clotting are another potential driver of long COVID development. During acute infection, there is direct damage to the linings of blood vessels (endothelial damage),[ and the risk of thrombosis-related diseases stays elevated longer-term after infection. Issues with blood clotting can include hyperactive platelets and microclots. These microclots may induce oxygen shortage (hypoxia) in tissues.

Organ damage from the acute infection may explain symptoms in some people with long COVID. Radiological tests such as lung MRIs often show up as normal, even for people who show clear desaturation (lowered blood oxygen level) after mild exercise. Other tests, such as a dual-energy CT scan, do show perfusion defects in a subset of people with respiratory symptoms. Imaging of the heart show contradictory results. Imaging of brains show changes after COVID infection."

I don’t discard vaccination as a source of future health problems. Other vaccinations (like the vaccinations for the Swine flue) has had known side effects. But I want to bring awareness to the disease in itself and the long-lasting, sometimes severe health problems that it give rise to, even long after the acute infection.

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Demographic changes from 2020 to 2022… sure🤣

NZ and Australia managed to avoid covid until everyone got vaccinated, the complete opposite of the Swedish strategy, where excess deaths are pretty normal

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At this point, I’m inclined to believe long COVID is the issue. I’ve heard far more anecdotal evidence about long COVID than vaccine problems.

COVID is nasty. So are the other diseases such as the flu that are roaring back with a vengeance.

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I think Covid increases senescence then it would be likely to increase mortality as well (even if people are not killed by Covid).

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Long covid doesn’t exist, it’s just psychosomatic problem with a new name but covid doesn’t cause it although a belief in having had covid does

Is your position that post-acute infection syndrome (PAIS) does not exist as a somatic condition?

I know a lot of people including children who have long COVID and the effects can be crippling. I highly doubt it is psychosomatic.

COVID is a disease affecting blood and clotting. Blood clots are highly dangerous and destructive. Some people probably got very unlucky in where those blood clots went.

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I would think it is possible that there is a psychosomatic element to long COVID, but I would think myself that the majority of the effect is based upon increased senescence.

If any audience would accept that a higher level of senescence drives a higher level of mortality I would think the audience of this forum would be one.

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Don’t know much about Australia but I know that if you didn’t wear a mask you’d be jailed, and I think the same if you didn’t get a jab. So kudos to them they really managed it well LOL

I have a colleague that 6 months after COV-19 infection still has a persistent cough and difficult breathing. Working part-time now, due to reduced capacity. She used to be a very active and sporty kind of person. Another colleague, that more than 18 months after infection, has not got her smell back. (There are studies showing that after cov-19 infection, the olfactory bulb is reduced in size). This leads me to think that the virus in some cases can cause permanent damage. Damage that lasts after the acute infection, not unlike what the polio infections once did to some people.

I don’r rule out permanent effects from the vaccines but my own observations and reports of long term, maybe permanently reduced physical capacity in unvaccinated people around me is troubling, and makes me inclined to have the virus itself might as a major driver of increased number of deaths. But this does not mean that the vaccines can not produce long term negative effects as well.

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I may not be around you, but I am stronger than ever in my life, and I AM UNVACCINTED!

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I was unclear in my writing. What I see around me is that some unvaccinated people have reduced physical capacity or permanent symptoms (like reduced capacity for smell). They are of course a minority in the people around me. And I see long covid both in unvaccinated people and in vaccinated.

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According to the WHO, it’s 10-20% of infections that lead to long COVID. I think we have our culprit.

Another study, focusing on 9 Italian health care facilities and 2,560 participants, reported that the number of vaccine doses was associated with lower long COVID prevalence: 41.8% (95% CI, 37.0%–46.7%) in unvaccinated patients, 30.0% (95% CI, 6.7%–65.2%) with 1 dose, 17.4% (95% CI, 7.8%–31.4%) with 2 doses, and 16.0%

It makes sense that your body would eventually build up a long term immunity after many vaccinations.

No control groups, only self reporting…

makes sense that your body would eventually build up a long term immunity after many vaccinations.

That’s not actually what happens with the mrna “vaccins” instead of stronger immunity people will develop tolerance to the spike protein

https://www.google.com/search?q=igg4+mrna+covid&client=tablet-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=577798594&source=android-home&sxsrf=AM9HkKmZDFRTO58Sk3AZF39aKZKvnMLwUw%3A1698667655950&source=hp&ei=h5w_Zb7pMNfUxc8PioGx6Ak&oq=igg4+mrna&gs_lp=EhFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocCIJaWdnNCBtcm5hKgIIATIIEAAYywEYgAQyCBAAGMsBGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHkioSlDxCFj6P3ABeACQAQCYAbgBoAGACqoBAzAuObgBAcgBAPgBAagCD8ICChAjGIoFGOoCGCfCAg8QIxiKBRgTGIAEGOoCGCfCAgcQIxjqAhgnwgIHECMYigUYJ8ICBBAjGCfCAhEQLhiABBixAxiDARjHARjRA8ICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYxwEYrwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICCBAuGIAEGLEDwgIEEAAYA8ICBRAuGIAEwgINEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYCg&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#sbfbu=1&pi=igg4%20mrna%20covid

Could be true but I also heard a doctor in an interview saying that if you take too many vaccines/boosters that renders your natural immune totally dead and the only way you get any protection would be to just keep boosting every 6 months for rest of your life. so, there you have it for some contra view on it. Again, i have no horse in this race as i have not had the vaccine, have not had covid, and have not had a flu nor a cold in last 17 years. Simply just throwing out there for people to consider all sides and do their research before deciding on one way or the other.

One way that usually helps me in making my decisions is, I always start with a premise that everybody (on all sides of an issue) is lying, either on purpose (vested interest) or simply by ignorance. Then, I research/dig up as much information I can pro and against and in the process usually you will see that a pattern of belief (in one way or the other) will start emerging at which point you make your decision, and you feel good (did all you could) about it.

This was exactly how i came to the decision with Covid vaccine, and ended up not doing it, and I am 100% happy I went that way since I never had the virus, in other words Covid turned out to be a non-issue for me, while the whole world was going nuts lol. The only thing I did though (not 100% sure it helped) is I loaded up on Vitamin C and Lysine (combined, one without the other does not work in my experience). I always take both at 2000 mg/per day but during covid I did three doses of 2000mg of both (morning, lunch, and dinner). Being one that does NOT believe in coincidence, I think I did exactly what I should have done since (again) I never got infected.

BTW, I’ve had people around me having had Covid, but I never got it. In one instance we had a Corp meeting and we all sat in a room 12X10 for about couple hours and the next day our president tested with Covid, (pretty hard for him) and all six other people that were in that room ended up with Covid (only one severe but survived) but me. In other words, no i did not go hide (during Covid) in a cave somewhere LOL

Have you had Covid at least once? Or you were lucky to avoid it?

Never, no I did not have Covid whatsoever. And to me it was weird because everyone in my family, and friends had it, all light, but two of them had moderate to severe symptoms.

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It’s great! May be you have natural immunity for it.

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Sometimes people have incredible immunity or weaknesses to different diseases.

My girlfriend didn’t catch delta from me in spite of close contact but did catch omicron. Last month she caught something but I didn’t. I don’t understand how it works either