You’ve already made so many errors in this thread already, and you think you will figure this out? How about going over those errors and reflect and start again from the drawing board?
Something tells me I’m going to regret engaging with you but I’ll make one last ditch effort to explain that it doesn’t take a conspiratorial worldview to entertain misgivings about the safety profile of the COVID vaccines.
There was a pandemic, it was killing people and putting unprecedented strain on the healthcare system. An unprecedented set of measures were put in place to slow the spread, which ended up curtailing natural freedoms and grinding economies to a halt. At the time when they were put in place those who made the decision did so with the best intentions, and thought the measures absolutely necessary and temporary. But once a bureaucracy is willed into existence it becomes very hard to abolish it as it fights to perpetuate itself. Many coddled affluent urbanites who held such jobs as they could keep from home or from upscale apocalypse retreats didn’t want it to end but the vaccine became the light at the end of the tunnel: “once we have a vaccine THEN we can start talking about going back to normal.” So obviously the pressure to produce said vaccine was immense. The Challenger fuckup happened amid self imposed pressure from NASA to keep to a tight launch schedule. Corners can get cut in all sorts of ways from normal human incentives at play already accounted for by Adam Smith in the “Wealth of Nations.” The pharma companies racing against each other to the finish line were doing so under the shadow of a massive carrot. Let’s not forget the winners sought and were granted blanket indemnification for any harm possibly caused by their product. The technology used has no safety record, and if anything comes under the heading of gene therapy, with a poorly understood set of long-term side effects. I’m just mentioning a few among many factors and circumstances whose confluence could conceivably add up to a monumental fuck-up without a single jew alien from outer space activating a single microchip or otherwise tampering with our precious bodily fluids with the express purpose of destroying 99% of humankind.
One bit of advice from this brain rotted American: it is most noble and magnanimous to tackle the best and highest arguments of your opponents, instead of the lowest. In this case methinks you’re stabbing a bigass straw-man to death. No one here is talking about hare brained conspiracy theories but yourself.
That invisible dragon is a perfect description of the “vaccines” actually.
Whatever you do, don’t think you are a truth seeker, just an ideologue. Since you call the vaccines gene therapy I can call you anti-vaxxer. That is your level of discussion.
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They aren’t gene therapy? In december 2019 everyone would have called these vaccines gene therapy. The technologies and the companies we now know from the covid vaccines were all mentioned in eg the wikipedia article about gene therapy without any controversy
I have already discussed this exact topic with you and I won’t go over it again since you are an ideologue.
Call me what you will. No skin off my back. If you think the mRNA COVID vaccine is apples to apples with the BCG vaccine, and can’t take a hint from just the name itself as to the huge functional differences of this vaccine to all its predecessors, there’s no point in either of us wasting bandwidth talking to each other.
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Likewise, if you think the mRNA covid vaccines are gene therapy, there is no point to discuss this further.
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Right. Only you were never discussing a single thing to begin with, only hurling ad hominem. Enjoy being so assuredly right. With such hubris among those calling the shots, who needs alien lizardman Jews to inject humanity with a half baked panacea?
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Just don’t say they are gene therapy. In fact why are you talking about this topic if you aren’t looking up these basic things?
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Please be on the lookout for my written permission request about what I should be calling things. I’m sure you get more permission requests than you can handle from users on this forum to use the experimental doxy-azithromicin-ascorbic-acid protocol and you gracefully withhold it because you know best what people should be doing with their bodies. Including, apparently, how to use their mouths.
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Dang this line got my mind going to where It shouldn’t 
for life.I certainly don’t want to prolong this discussion because it is like religion, believers and non-believers and you are not going to change very many people’s positions. (Though I do like a good cat fight 
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But IMO:
“Clearly the memory span of some people runs very short. I can post 100’s of links in here where government officials, doctors etc were touting the vaccine as something that will solve the problem and prevent catching Covid in 95% of people who took it. Then soon after it become obvious that is not the case, and there were millions of people that were vaccinated and still caught the virus (you have plenty in these forums that can attest to that) then it became, oh no it does not prevent from catching it, but it will prevent death from the virus.” Quoting Mogli, I believe"
Is irrefutable- so there! 
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Not enough words---------------------------
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And then it became, “oh it did all those wonderful things we said it would do but only for the alpha variant, but it’s too bad the virus has evolved past all the letters of the Latin alphabet between when the vaccine was developed and when the jabs got into arms.” Halley’s Comet’s got nothing on this moving target.
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I just read in the paper today that fentanyl overdose is the number one cause of death for 18 to 45 year old’s in the US.
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Drug overdoses are truly sad. People just don’t know what they’re sacrificing…
Substance Abuse Statistics
Among Americans aged 12 years and older, 37.309 million were current illegal drug users (used within the last 30 days) as of 2020.
- 13.5% of Americans 12 and over used drugs in the last month, a 3.8% increase year-over-year (YoY).
- 59.277 million or 21.4% of people 12 and over have used illegal drugs or misused prescription drugs within the last year.
- 138.543 million or 50.0% of people aged 12 and over have illicitly used drugs in their lifetime.
- Usership among people aged 12 and over is down 0.4% YoY.
- 138.522 million Americans 12 and over drink alcohol.
- 28.320 million or 20.4% of them have an alcohol use disorder.
- 57.277 million people use tobacco or nicotine products (vape).
- 25.4% of illegal drug users have a drug disorder.
- 24.7% of those with drug disorders have an opioid disorder; this includes prescription pain relievers or “pain killers” and heroin).
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Fentanyl deaths are an American problem but excess deaths in the younger population are a problem seen in the entire western world since mid 2021 (and oddly enough not during the height of the pandemic from March 2020- winter 2021)
Delayed care is also not an explanation because as I said medical care here in the Netherlands did not get delayed, yet excess deaths here are high too in the younger population since mid 2021
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Whatever it is, we should look to Australia, as they have the highest percentage of excess deaths at 20%. That’s double the USA (9%) and quadruple many other countries at 5%.
So what is Australia doing wrong to cause people to die unexpectedly? Any Aussies here to comment?
Verdict: Missing Context. Provisional mortality data shows that deaths in the first half of 2022 have been higher than average. But experts say it is not possible to conclude from these population-level estimates that vaccines were to blame. Moreover, the ABS numbers do not account for demographic changes, so do not reflect official excess mortality estimates. The Australian Actuaries Institute, which has factored in these changes, estimates that Australia’s excess mortality over the six month period was roughly 13 per cent (11,200 deaths). Half of that (5,620) was directly attributable to COVID-19. Much of the remainder was likely due to infectious diseases or other conditions that were exacerbated by COVID-19, according to experts.
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