Strategies to avoid the grim reaper of Cancer - Part I: Colon Cancer

These seem to be getting much easier to do in the near future…

https://x.com/rohanpaul_ai/status/2026817991296311669?s=20

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Having recently had an endoscopy and taking a full day to clear the anesthesia (propofol) I’d be sorely tempted to swallow an AI instead.

What could go wrong? :laughing:

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Wow, I was in the procedure room for just over 1 hour. They woke me up and I felt a little “drunk” for less than 30 minutes and was totally normal afterwards. They gave the usual warnings of “don’t drive or ride a bike” etc nevertheless. A little bit of a sore throat that night and the next morning, and a bit gassy. Overall nothing unpleasant or long-lasting at all. Amazing that your experience can differ so much!

I do like the idea of swallowing the camera pill and then having AI read the images though.

The numbers I have:

20-30% of 40yo have a polyp of any sort. Rises to almost 50% by age 60.

~10% of 40yo have the “pre-cancerous” adenoma type

Out of those adenomas, only a fraction actually will go on to form a tumour, and that takes several years. Still, clearly some people (like James Van Der Beek) were very unlucky and must have had polyps in his 30’s, pre-cancerous by 40, and full-blown incurable stage 3 by age 46.

Lifetime risk is 4-5%, and rising, particularly in younger people. It’s definitely not 1 in 100 million :slight_smile:

So, if you want to be risk adverse, colonoscopy every 5y should be extremely effective. Every 10 years is most likely fine - but there is a chance you missed something in the first scan, or you have a rapidly progressing adenoma.

IMO, I just don’t see any point in the stool tests unless you can’t access, or really don’t want to do, a colonoscopy. A negative FIT/stool test doesn’t inspire much confidence, since it can’t detect much in the early stage. And, a positive test result has many explanations, as you found out. Only colonoscopy can give you the proper peace of mind.

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I’d rather have a colonoscopy than colon cancer!

I’m on the 2-3 year schedule as every colonoscopy they remove 2-3 pre-cancerous polyps that each have a 10% chance of turning into cancer. Since I’ve been doing this for 15 years, that’s 10-15 polyps that had a 10% chance (each!) of turning into cancer over 10 years. I don’t like those odds at all.

If I hadn’t had my colonoscopies, I wouldn’t be here now.

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I mean we have lots of cancers to worry abt and colon is just 1…figuratively

As well as accidnets, heart metabolic disease etc

It took me once two full days to clear anesthesia and it was very unpleasant. Now afraid of any procedure with anesthesia.

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This effect is underaccounted for. We have the tech to do genetic analysis to find out most of the clearing pathways, but our worsening medical system doesn’t have the time or interest – the incentives aren’t there.

The result: some of us a pay a health tax because we don’t clear medications as fast as others do, and the differences are profound. There are a bunch of compounds (mostly drugs, some supplements) that I can’t take in therapeutic quantities without paying a day or days-long clearing cost.

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I’ve had both endoscopy and colonoscopy and neither are painful so why are you guys having anaesthesia for them?

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I agree. I had colonoscopy without anesthesia - was unpleasant but tolerable and educational (I watched the screen). I asked for endoscopy without anesthesia and was explained that no doctor would do it without it. So I haven’t done it yet.

That makes me think that they are just looking to overcharge patients with unnecessary procedures.
Endoscopy done in the Uk involves just a numbing throat spray. i’ve had two done like this. i remember the spray tastes like aniseed. Nothing unpleasant.

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I had similar procedure in Russia long ago without sedation. In the U.S. it’s not possible - I tried. They don’t offer even TNE (trance nasal endoscopy) with thinner scope. Clinics are set up for sedated procedures — staffing, scheduling, and recovery rooms are built around it. That’s why it so expensive!

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Actually, I never thought about it. They just did it as part of the procedure. They used:

Twilight anesthesia, formally known as conscious sedation or Monitored Anesthesia Care (MAC), is a technique that uses mild doses of drugs to induce a state of deep relaxation and temporary memory loss while allowing you to remain conscious."

Unlike general anesthesia, you are not fully “put under”; you can typically breathe on your own, respond to verbal cues, and follow simple instructions during the procedure."

I have had this 4 times, once for a hernia repair, once for cataract surgery, and twice for colonscopies. I like it. It felt pleasant to me and had no side effects (that I know of).
It was odd in the effect that on two of these occasions, I asked when we were going to start, and the procedure had already happened.

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Did you have to ask for it or you were offered MAC?

No, I really didn’t ask. As these were pretty routine procedures, I just followed instructions.

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These days MAC is propofol. I was completely out, unconscious, but I could breathe on my own. It was fun-- a lovely high.

Then they took me off it, high wore off in a few hours, but feeling of being drugged didn’t until 28 hours had passed.

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I’ve done most of mine without anesthesia, but the last one I did with because the doctor wouldn’t let me do it without and I didn’t want to bother to find a new doctor!

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Yeah, and this one has a lot of history and massive studies in the UK

Anyone on the forum ever do or look into?

Medtronic’s PillCam COLON 2 (colon capsule endoscopy) - a non-invasive, data-rich option

It aligns well with a mission of proactive, high-definition health optimization: it provides direct visualization of the colon (without sedation or radiation) and can serve as a practical “first-pass” assessment for patients who want to go beyond stool-based tests—helping determine whether a traditional colonoscopy is truly necessary for biopsy or polyp removal.

While PillCam COLON 2 is FDA-cleared for specific indications in the U.S., this “triage/filter” approach has already been deployed at scale in the UK, including NHS pathways and evaluations involving over 10,000 patients, and the broader PillCam platform has been used in millions of procedures worldwide.

See e.g.

www.medtronic.com/en-us/healthcare-professionals/products/digestive-gastrointestinal/capsule-endoscopy/endoscopy-systems/pillcam-colon-2-system.html

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Different kind of cancer, but just shows we should never ignore discomfort …which I’m guilty of doing.

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Yeah, ovarian cancer is a nasty one because there’s no screening test, there are few symptoms at the early stages, and from what I understand it’s even fairly difficult to diagnose based on things like ultrasound which you might have routinely for other reasons.

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On the subject of colon cancer I just posted a new thread that has a very strong correlation with this I Found the Philosopher’s Stone! Death begins in the colon - and so we must not ignore it!