Parkinson's disease

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This new paper may revolutionize the way we understand Parkinson’s disease: Parkinson's Onset Theory Challenged: Synaptic Dysfunction Before Neuron Death - Neuroscience News

“Contrary to the widely held belief that Parkinson’s disease originates from the degeneration of dopaminergic neurons, a new study suggests a precursor: synaptic dysfunction. […] Based on these findings, we hypothesize that targeting dysfunctional synapses before the neurons are degenerated may represent a better therapeutic strategy.”

If you ask ChatGPT how to enhance synaptic activity, you’ll get the usual suspects: Omega3, antioxidants, exercise, meditation, learning new things, reading and problem-solving, vitamins B and D, and cognitive behavioral therapy. But also nootropics, antidepressants, neurofeedback, deep brain stimulation (DBS), and transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS).

It seems that smoking increases synaptic dopamine, which may explain why smokers tend to be protected from Parkinson’s disease? Tobacco smoking and dopaminergic function in humans: a meta-analysis of molecular imaging studies | Psychopharmacology

According to this Japanese team, selegiline may recover synaptic plasticity in rodent models of Parkinson’s and depression:

Same for red light therapy according to this 2023 Korean paper: Photobiomodulation improves the synapses and cognitive function and ameliorates epileptic seizure by inhibiting downregulation of Nlgn3

I’d love to see a detailed review of all potential synaptic enhancing interventions, ranked by certainty / potency / cost.

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Not an expert, but Jay Lombard is

I have recently been implementing cold showers and sauna. These are reputed to have positive impact. Good luck!

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@TomParkinson: do you have any positive experience with altitude?

Many Parkinson’s patients report that they improve when taking a plane or going to the mountains. See, for instance: Finding a talisman – The Science of Parkinson's

Altitude is HYPObaric, so people assume that the reason is because of the hypoxic environment, which could activate autophagy (same as intense exercise?).

There’s an ongoing clinical trial: TALISMAN-1: Parkinsonsymptomen beïnvloeden door een verblijf op hoogte - ParkinsonNEXT

If true, the extreme option would be to move to a place in altitude (another positive point: less pollution), but I wonder if regular trips to the mountain for holidays can also have a positive impact.

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The interplay between autophagy and ROS is very complex. I

" 5. Conclusion and Perspective

Plenty of studies have repeatedly shown that ROS accumulation displays detrimental implications for the basic function and survival of neurons. ROS or oxidative stress can provoke autophagy, and autophagy can take part in the removal and repair of ROS-induced oxidative lesions through a variety of signaling pathways. But autophagic neuronal death will still result if cumulative ROS go beyond the scavenging activity of autophagy. At present, it appears to be contradictory that autophagy serves as a cellular self-purification mechanism, but hyperactivity or hypoactivity of autophagy is unfavorable for the normal functionality of neurons [162, 163]. After all, the predetermined threshold level of perfect autophagy is often blurred, particularly under a variety of disease courses"

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Regarding ROS and autophagy, SGLT2 inhibitors seem super interesting, and especially in the context of PD, see:

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Jeesh. Do you feel better right away, or just generally think it slows progression? It just looks so painful.

I get in the hot tub most nights and try to get my pulse up to at least 110, then jump in the “cold” pool after, but to me, “cold” can’t be anything under about 72 degrees F.

Maybe you say it somewhere, but if you don’t mind, would you tell me what other drugs/supplements you take? Thanks!

I saw this post on twitter a few weeks ago, but have not had a chance to dig deeply into it. Christine is a local and very active Longevity Biotech startup person here in San Francisco, and founder of Longevity Global and NeuroAge Therapeutics, a company focused on therapies to treat Alz. in new ways. Related article on her company: NeuroAge Therapeutics: A New Approach to the War on Neurological Disease - Spannr

Christine’s bio is here: Christin Glorioso, MD PHD - Berkeley SkyDeck | LinkedIn

Perhaps someone here with deep knowledge of Mitochondria complex 1 can comment on her points here?

The paper referenced: Mechanistic Investigations of the Mitochondrial Complex I Inhibitor Rotenone in the Context of Pharmacological and Safety Evaluation | Scientific Reports

Another paper referenced:

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Shouldn’t a signal have emerged for metformin and alzheimers disease already if there was any link? Or rather aren’t there any clinical trials looking at alzheimers patients and metformin use?

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I think that the signal might be very hard to identify given the historically ill nature (typically obesity, diabetes, etc. for long periods of time) of the patient population, it would be hard to tease out of the data. If you have diabetes you are already at much higher risk of Alz.

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So, if you have diabetes, you get Alzheimers. If you take Metformin, you treat the diabetes but you still get Alzheimers. Damned if you do. Damned if you don’t.

I’ll go with the no diabetes and take my Metformin. It also prevents fatty liver.

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I am sure that many of the kidney transplant patients taking rapamycin also were taking metformin. Yes, if there was a significant increase in PD or Alzheimer’s disease I think it would have been detected by now as both drugs have been in widespread use for decades.
Somehow, I find this kind of post by Christin Glorioso very annoying and I want to say. post some direct evidence or be quiet.

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The link between PD and metformin has been detected long ago. See, for instance: RENEWAL: REpurposing study to find NEW compounds with Activity for Lewy body dementia—an international Delphi consensus 2022

Meanwhile, several epidemiological studies have found associations between use of metformin and lower incidence of either all-cause dementia, AD or PD [152,153,154,155,156,157]. However, not all epidemiological studies have found associations between the use of metformin and a lower risk of dementia [158,159,160]. A study using the National Alzheimer’s Co-ordinating Center database investigated the effect of oral hypoglycaemic drugs on longitudinal memory decline among patients with T2DM with either normal cognition (n =1192) or with AD (n =807) and found that metformin was associated with better memory performance in non-demented participants (mean duration of follow-up 3.4 years) but it had no effects in AD (mean duration of follow-up 1.9 years) [161]. A systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies testing the association between metformin and neurodegenerative diseases analysing a total of 19 studies with 285,966 participants found no association between metformin exposure and incidence of all subtypes of neurodegenerative diseases, and found that metformin monotherapy was associated with an increased incidence of PD compared to non-metformin or glitazone users (OR 1.66) [162].

The reason for the discrepancy between studies (besides the difficulty to separate the effects of diabetes from the effects of the drugs, but with a lot of data, comparison to other diabetic drugs, and genetic mendelian randomization, researchers now know how to do that properly) is probably that the effects of metformin seem dose-dependent (“The dose makes the poison” as the saying goes…): Dose–Response Association of Metformin with Parkinson’s Disease Odds in Type 2 Diabetes Mellitus 2022

Metformin was associated with PD odds in T2DM in a dose–response association manner. Patients who received low dosage and intensity of metformin use were associated with lower odds of PD, while higher dosage and intensity of metformin use had no neuroprotective effect.

What they call “low-dose” in the paper is <10 DDD/month so < 20 g/month, meaning < 0.650 g/d. But they also say that you shouldn’t take more than 300 cDDD = 600 g ⇒ 0.550g/d over 3y or 0.3g/d over 5y (as the study looked at people over a follow-up period of 3 or 5 years).

You find the same dose-dependent relationship between metformin and depression (and depression is often an early symptom of Parkinson’s / "pre-Parkinson’s), but with slightly higher thresholds (the optimal here is 0.5–1.0 DDD so 1 to 2g/day of metformin): Diabetes, antidiabetic medications and risk of depression – A population-based cohort and nested case-control study 2022

So yes, the risk is well known. I would not take metformin if I had any family history of Parkinson’s disease (or related genes). Especially as we know more potent and safer alternatives. GLP1 agonists and SGLT2 inhibitors are associated with lower rates of AD, PD, other dementia, and depression in most longitudinal studies on humans:

These findings were confirmed in several rodent models, for instance:

Even better, we have three good-quality phase 2 clinical trials showing that 3 different GLP1 agonists (exenatide, liraglutide, and lixisenatide) slow down the progression of Parkinson’s disease. And one clinical trial showed that empagliflozin (SGLT2i) improved MCI: Empagliflozin Improves Cognitive Impairment in Frail Older Adults With Type 2 Diabetes and Heart Failure With Preserved Ejection Fraction 2022

I don’t know about rapamycin but there are two trials for AD (NCT04200911, phase 1 done, and NCT04629495, ongoing phase 2), both in Texas). And rapamycin was shown to have no effect (neither positive nor negative) on MSA: mTOR Inhibition with Sirolimus in Multiple System Atrophy: A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Futility Trial and 1-Year Biomarker Longitudinal Analysis - PubMed

So the jury is still out on rapa for NDD… (my two cents: given that diabetes is protective of PD and that rapamycin increases Hb A1c, I would not be surprised if rapamycin, alone or in combo with a GLP1RA or SGLT2i, would be highly protective of PD, but that’s a pure guess…)

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Here’s an article from a trusted source providing observational study data that shows metformin can prevent dementia. I’ll take that over a tweet.

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I think Metformin is a terrible drug for people who aren’t in the diabetic/pre-diabetic range because it is a mitochondrial toxin with a significant effect, it decreases zone 2 wattage and increases resting lactate. I would use a drug proven in ITP instead.

Did Peter Attia really sing the praises for metformin in his book? He disregards it everywhere else.

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Heard that Mucuna Pruriens helps people with Parkinsons. I take it for mood improvement but and it really helps, but don’t know about Parkinson’s but could be worth a try.

Is Mucuna pruriens any better than taking L-dopa directly? L-dopa effectiveness gradually decreases in people with Parkinson’s and they need higher and higher doses, while levodopa also comes with side effects such as bradykinesia.

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Never tried L-Dopa so couldn’t say about difference…