My DOG, My PARTNER, and ME: A Week by Week Rapalogue

Thanks so much for your very kind reply, HigoMe33! I appreciate your feedback on my thread. I write (and ghostwrite) for a living (along with keynoting, lecturing, counseling, etc.), and I love writing in a playful style. Thanks for “getting” me!

I just took my second 5mg dose a few hours ago. I will monitor myself as carefully as possible for the next several days, and report any side effects, pos or neg.

I meant to mention how well laid out your Rapamycin Info Sheet is! I believe our community will find it useful if/when we need to speak with “yet-to-be-enlightened” health care professionals.

How about this for a deal, HigoMe33: you keep posting and so will I! Together, we’ll inspire others to create their own “Rapalogue.” (Hmmm. You might consider trademarking that title.)

Onward and upward toward optimal health and wellness, fellow rapa explorers!

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Yes, DMD, please keep posting your updates and results! And for anyone looking for the thread, look here: I'm about to start rapamycin; looking for dosing advice

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WEEK 3: 3mg

We’re low-key freaking out because my partner’s period, which always comes a few days early is now close to a week late. Again, she’s about 50 years old. We tried to have kids for three years in her early-to-mid 40’s with no luck, so we stopped using birth control. Now we’re shaking our fists at the sky and yelling “RAPAMYCINNN”

For those who haven’t found their way to the OBGYN thread on Rapamycin.news, it’s true that one of the key cells that are rejuvenated by rapa are ovaries.

You can find photos here of fresh young mice ovaries, old wrinkled mice ovaries, and rapa-rejuvenated old mice ovaries that look fresh as the newly fallen snow.

Somewhere in another thread a member here mentioned that his 60-year old mother shared tmi (too much information) when she confided in him that her menses had returned.

We’ve only just begun our Rapamycin journey, so it seems unlikely that we’ll be beginning that journey as well. Besides, at 50 she’s pre-menopausal, so perhaps this delay is just part of her reproductive system closing up shop. Still, we’re… nervous.

On this subject she has asked me to share a few other details about recent changes in the ole’ system that appear to be rapa related.

Female Reproductive Changes

My partner asked me to share that, being 50 it has been ages since she had “a lot of discharge” but this very thing began to happen after she started Rapamycin.

Keep in mind we’ve only done three weeks now: 1mg, 2mg, 3mg.

Also, she said that she has never had runny discharge. But both happened several times in the past few weeks. Like, so much liquid running down her leg that she was sure her period had started, but it had not.

This makes me think that we probably need a dedicated women’s health thread where women can comment and share. Obviously these are sensitive details, but if the female reproductive system is one of the major areas of transformation by Rapamycin, someone should be tracking and sharing.

I’m reminded of a post on this site in which a woman said that Rapamycin transformed her cycle and as soon as she stops taking it she notices the difference immediately.

Week 3: My Dog

Well, our 12 year old pup seems to become young again for about two days after her rapa dosing. This week wasn’t as dramatic a change as the previous two weeks. But it was still noticeable.

Rapamycin makes our dog more social, more energetic, more intense if that makes sense, and more hungry.

To be clear she still sleeps a ton. She’s at my side right now actually. She’s not less dog-like and she’s not truly like a puppy again. This week I would say there were three or four moments when she surprised me by her enthusiasm. Amongst those 3 or 4 moments were probably 30 moments of normal behavior that didn’t raise an eyebrow.

As I mentioned above, I didn’t notice much difference between her response to the 3mg vs 2mg and 1mg. Considering this dose was 50% higher than last week (3 vs 2) I was hoping she’d walk on water, feed herself, and change the channel if I asked nicely. But nope.

We’ll keep to the 3mg/wk for her for the foreseeable future. I’ll write back to let you know how it goes.

Week 3: Health

Somewhat like the dog, my reaction to 3mg seemed slightly less than my reaction to 2mg. I could make up a story: my body is getting accustomed to rapa, for example. But who knows?

You’ll recall that in Week 2 I got a sore inside my cheek and four zits, both of which are very uncommon for me. This week? Nothing. The mouth sore is healed. The zits are just light red marks.

The one thing that I felt in common with previous weeks was an occasional—this will sound weird—blushing.

I don’t know if I was actually blushing, but in all three weeks I have had moments that are almost like a hot flash but it didn’t course over my whole body. This blushing feeling was in my face and for a moment in my skin I guess. Like just getting hot for maybe 10-30 seconds.

This is not something that happens to me. Also, I notice it happens especially on the day I take rapa, and sometimes on the second day. In total it happens perhaps 3 times total on those two days.

I do strength training at the gym on the morning of Day 3 after rapa. This week I felt weaker than usual. We’ll have to see if this continues or if it was just an off day. I also do strength training on Day 5 after rapa and those have been killer workouts. Like good ones.

Disappearing Pains?

My partner and I both have some aches and pains that have been with us for years. Old war wounds I suppose. Things we’ve messed up that never really healed.

Well for both of us these appear to be diminishing!

Honestly I’m tempted to say they’re gone, but they’re only gone about 90% of the time. These were joint pains that were nearly constant for months and years, so this 90% diminishment is very exciting for us both.

We’re both still exercising with those joints and we’re both aware that these could be placebo effects, or whatever you would want to call them. So we’re watching to see if that 90% is just perceptual, or if its real diminishment. We’ll keep tabs on them and let you know.

Finally, if a little one is coming I will blame every last one of you and expect baby shower gifts galore because damn. Probably not happening though. Tomorrow we’ll go to church and pray for not-a-miracle.

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As always, I appreciate the detailed and thoughtful response. At some points it would not be a bad idea to get blood tests to see how things are going at a more detailed level.

There was a recent post by Chris of the Canadian Longevity Association about his 3-month trial of rapamycin (limited to 3 months only because thats how much rapamycin he initially got from a friend in Turkey). Chris did pre-rapamycin blood tests and epigenetic testing, and then after three months a post test. You can check it out here: Canadian Longevity Assoc. November 2022 Longevity Review

Thank you. Following that link I found the following link:

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Yes - I have a thread where we have women participating, and where I’m posting everything new I find on this topic of ovarian aging: Women Taking Rapamycin for Enhanced Fertility / Menopause Prevention?

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WEEK FOUR: 4MG

It’s been another interesting week. Let’s jump right in.

My Partner

My partner never had her period this month. As I mentioned above, she’s 50, so menopause is stalking. Nevertheless, she has never missed a month as long as we’ve been together, except during pregnancies.

It does seem like a strange coincidence that as soon as she began rapamycin she missed her first period in decades. And this on top of the other changes that I mentioned above. We’ll see what happens going forward. She did take a pregnancy test that was negative.

For this week she went down to 1mg because she’s taking an anti-fungal or an issue under a toenail. We decided together to shift her down to 1mg instead of up to 4mg as had been the plan. Our thought was that 1mg would be low enough that any obvious drug interactions might be minimal, in which case we would stop rapa altogether until the 45 day treatment span was over.

We did look at webmd.com to see if there were any registered drug interactions between the two meds and it said there were none.

We haven’t talked about what next week might be. I suspect she’ll keep it low for a few weeks. Then we’ll evaluate what’s up and make the choice that seems best.

To close the loop, thus far there have been no side effects from the rapa, or the rapa plus the anti-fungal. It appears she just skipped her period as there was cramping etc, but no blood, and now things are chill again.

My Dog

I’m convinced that my dog is experiencing what one of our members has described as a “state of euphoria.” According to his reports on this site, he experienced this only when taking 20mg doses. Those doses may have included grapefruit juice, I can’t recall.

Considering that my dog is 44lbs and taking 3mg rapa, that might align with a 180lb man taking 20+mg.

In any case, the bottom line is that my dog loves rapamycin. She is more active. She’s more spunky around other dogs (she used to shy away, but when she was young she liked to provoke other dogs, which she is doing again now). Even her face gets more puffy; like the fur of her face is poofed and she’s making intense eye-contact more often.

We’re both convinced that she’s happier. Her higher level of activity seems obviously to be better for her, as it gets her up and moving, engaging and being engaged. She’s also more social around us, choosing more often to sit next to us for petting rather than sitting across the room.

We have noticed no obvious side-effects in our dog as a result of rapamycin. I am paying attention though.

I should say I have noticed more skin-tags on the dog lately (not sure of the scientific name for these). They are listed on this site’s list of side-effects for humans. It’s hard to tell whether they were there for my dog before or not, considering you know, all the fur. I’ll keep an eye out and see if I keep noticing more.

(Does anyone know if skin tags correlate with ill health? Are they a side effect that should lead us to lower the dose or stop dosing?)

My Side Effects

I continue to notice side effects of various sorts. I’m not sure if they are caused by the rapamycin, but it’s strange to have so many strange health issues all of a sudden upon beginning rapamycin when I’ve never had so many before.

Last week at 3mg I had an extreme sinus headache one morning. I linked it to trying my wife’s face cream the night before, which I rubbed into my forehead and around my eyes. It’s the OneSkin face cream, which by the way she loves.

As I say, I linked it to that cream, but now I wonder if it might have been rapa connected. I don’t feel like trying another experiment to see if I can coax my sinuses into a splitter of a headache, so I’m sorry medical science; this will have to remain in the realm of conjecture.

I did have more side effects this week though, after 4mg.

First, I got a very red pair of eyes. I saw one of our members mentioning this on our side effects thread. For him it was pink eye. I let it ride through the day. The one eye got clearer while the other kept getting more red.

My partner had some prescription anti-bacterial eye drops from an issue last year. The drops said one drop three times a day for several days. I put one drop in each eye once. That cleared it up.

Was it bacterial? I’m not sure. What I’m sure of is I have awesome eyes. I have never had pink eye as long as I can recall. I’ve never had eye issues of any sort, not with my actual eye health. So this was weird and noticeable. I was glad it cleared up so quickly. Perhaps that means the eyes were just irritated by dry winter air, or dust? Perhaps. I’ll pay attention and let you know in the weeks ahead.

Second, another eye thing. In the few days after taking 4mg I got a very twitchy eye. This does happen to me when I’m under extreme stress and not resting well. It’s like the Bugs Bunny cartoon where something outrageously stressful happens and the character’s eye just starts twitching uncontrollably.

This was weird, first because I haven’t experienced this in many months although it is something my eyes do, and second because I’m not aware that I’m under that much stress. But it is Christmas time and I’m having trouble with an employee so yeah, maybe it’s not related to rapa.

Third and lastly, I woke up on day 5 after taking 4mg with what I swear looked like a very slight rash on both of my forearms. Like very slight. I’m not inclined to share pictures, but suffice it to say it was so slight it might have been dry skin or even a too hot shower for too long. Still, I’ve been in this body for many decades now and this caught my attention as out-of-the-ordinary.

A strange thing about these side effects is that I haven’t gotten the same one more than once so far.

Mouth sores in Week One, but never again. Zits in Week One but never again. Headaches some weeks but not others. Hot flashes in some weeks but none this week. Now eye issues, twitches, sinus issues, and a slight rash, but never before.

I’m a very healthy person with a largely drama-free record of such things. I’m usually just fine without any of the above.

Future Dosing?

I’ve been wondering if I should take a rapa-vacay (vacation). So far, I’m undecided.

One option would be to take a week off and then jump back in at 2mg or 3mg and see where things lie.

A second option would be to increase the time between doses. If the average half-life of rapa in the human body is 2.5 days, I’m not convinced that I’m close enough to 0mg rapa on Day 7 before taking another dose. I do dose with Olive Oil, so I’m getting, what, 35% more rapa than otherwise? So maybe I should go 10 days between doses.

A third option would be to remain at 4mg a week for a few weeks. Considering that I had classic rapamycin side-effects in week one at 1mg (mouth sore and pimples), maybe I’m more sensitive to rapamycin than average. I’ll have to look back, but I think I got hot flashes at 1mg as well.

A fourth option, forking from the above, would be to revert to 3mg or 2mg for several weeks, following the logic that if it’s affecting my system then it’s working, so why push it.

A fifth option would be to press on toward my goal of 5mg-7mg, which is where others on this site have landed—people of my age, gender, and approximate weight. This would follow the logic that perhaps these effects are related to the kefir I happened to start drinking the same week I began rapa (tbh, these aren’t classic kefir side-effects), or to the dry air, the increasing cold, the seasonal stress, or the germs I come into contact with at work.

I haven’t yet decided. My next dose would be two days from now and Christmas is less than a week away. My inclination is to not press ahead to a higher dose just yet. I’ll let you know what I decide.

Season’s Greetings

Today is the first day of Hanukah. Also the last week of Advent and the last day before the solstice. After the darkness comes the light. It’s always darkest right before the coming of dawn. Be well

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BENEFITS SO FAR

Let’s take a look at what’s changed for the better in four weeks!

No Shoulder Pain

About a year pre-COVID I blew out my right shoulder at the gym. No one had ever taught me to keep my shoulders back and down in every exercise. “Put your shoulder blades in your back pants pockets” my doctor said, after the fact.

As a potential point of interest I’ll add that this is from evolutionary design. If you were to walk on all fours your shoulder blades would naturally be pushed back and down as they carry your body weight.

Well I was regularly extending my shoulders all the way forward, especially at the top of a bench press, thinking this was part of the full extension of the movement. It is not. Even with bench (or push-ups) you should keep your shoulders all the way back and down.

So yeah, I blew out my right shoulder. Couldn’t put it under any load. A scan said it was terrible bursitis inflammation. I got 10 weeks of physical therapy and exercises I continued for the next three years.

It still always hurt.

And now it doesn’t hurt. Before this past month my right shoulder essentially hurt all the time, but at a very low level. Now it does not hurt throughout the day at all.

I feel slight pain only if I sleep on my right side. In the past this would cause extra pain through the day when I awoke. Now I only feel a pressure-pain when my body weight is on the shoulder. When I turn or awake it goes away.

I have been working out more intensely for 8 months and have been working up to heavier weights, including on bench, while using correct form. Still, the reduction in pain has been dramatic in this month, for which I am so grateful!

I’m aware of some stories about joint paint going away from rapa. Put me on the list!

No Teeth Bleeding

I’m not a super-fan of flossing. I get it, it’s important. I recall a dentist saying that you don’t have to floss all your teeth – just the ones you want to keep.

Even so, I floss at most once a week, usually less often. Feel free to judge, I know it’s not ideal. I do use an electric toothbrush twice a day always, and I floss after stringy meals like chicken, so I do have pretty good oral hygiene in my own opinion.

In any case, I usually get some blood when I floss, that’s the bottom line. Let’s just say I always get some blood when I floss. It happens every time. Not too much, but definitely enough to see.

In this past month I have flossed perhaps three times. The first two times I noticed less blood than usual, which caught my attention. The last time was last night.

No blood.

This is a first for me. I have literally never flossed my teeth without some blood appearing between them, on the floss, or in my spit. Last night, nothing.

I’m aware of some stories about oral health improving dramatically from rapa. Put me on the list!

Sane Periods

If you’ve been following this rapalogue you know that my partner and I were shocked when she missed her period after just a few rapa doses. We’re not prepared for a child!

Well her period finally came this week, two weeks late. Maybe this is her first menopause moment. In any case, a quick history.

She has been dealing with very heavy periods for years now. It’s been extremely troubling for various reasons, as you might imagine. She spoke to her OBGYN several times about it. Tried a few different things including a few different brands of birth control pills and an… what’s it called, an insert. An IUD.

None of these things proved effective, and they all had unpleasant side effects of various sorts.

This month you should see her face. It was like an early Christmas gift. A sane period, needing to change tampons every few hours but not more often. She says the difference is noticeable and so wonderful compared to what she has been enduring.

In fact, she said, “If this is the only positive effect of rapamycin it will all be worth it for me.”

Sorry if that’s TMI for some people, but it’s a major win and something worth knowing for women considering these pills.

Wrap up

Some of my posts above concentrate on potential side effects, because I have been wanting to be very transparent about any possible changes happening to my body. But I do want to be very clear: these things have been minor.

I feel absolutely wonderful.

I stopped running years ago because of knee pain, but I’m now running for 15 minutes at the beginning of every workout. (Full disclosure: About two weeks ago I added an occasional daily dose of 300mg “Glucosamine Chondroitin MSM + Hyaluronic Acid with OptiMSM” and I have been strengthening the muscles around my knees, so it’s not just the rapa. Google the “knee over toe guy” to learn more about knee strengthening).

I am gaining muscle and to a lesser degree losing fat. (I did add daily 5mg Creatine to my supplement stack in the past month.)

Every side effect I’ve had has been minor and passing, and several are probably not related to rapa at all. For example, I think I know why I got the rashes on my forearms, which means it wasn’t the pills.

I am excited to continue this journey. I took 4mg yesterday as a Week 5 dose. Last night I slept like a baby and woke up happy. Rapamycin is definitely adding to our quality of life!

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All sounds on track and amazing.

Curious about your dog update?

Thanks

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Happy Holidays, HigoMe33 and everyone! First of all, I realize that this site is dedicated to rapa-related health and longevity reports/stories/research, but I just have to say…I LOVE your writing, HugoMe33! (I’m a writer myself, and I practically swoon when I read great prose. Yours rocks.)

On a more official level, I really appreciate your detailed reports. I haven’t had any side effects from my rapa dosing (yet), but your reports are reminding me to pay careful attention to what’s happening with my body. I’m at 5mg/once per week, and so far, so good. It hadn’t been my intention to increase the dose any further, but since I’m tolerating 5mg so well, I might try 6mg and see what happens. (However, Agetron just recently shared his “More rapamycin might not be better” post, which is definitely food for thought.)

I, for one, appreciate your reports on your partner’s experiences. (I’m a female, so I relate to her.) And your dog’s experiences, as well! (I’m not a dog, but I have a dog. And a cat. Has anyone given rapa to a cat?)

I read “Rapamycin News” the same way other people read the WSJ or the NYT…with such excitement, interest, and fondness for my fellow rapa adventurers.

Thanks again, HigoMe33, for keeping us informed and inspired.

Sunday is my dosing day, so here I go. Cheers!

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I have taken by second 5mg dose yesterday 12/25/22. Scooter is in the TRIAD study and took his first dose of rapamycin of placebo Wednesday (12/21/22) the prescribed day for his pills. I have notice no effect yet. I did just get an email from WU they are starting a human trial of rapamycin.

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Watch for the skin tags…

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Sunday the1st of Jan I will have my 3rd full dose, i.e 5mg. Scooter our soon to be 10 year old Goldendoodle has taken his second dose of rapamycin or placebo as part of the Dog Aging Project. I have noticed no significant change or side effects in myself or Scooter, so far.

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Weeks 5 & 6

Last night was my worst night’s sleep in years. The big learning? Don’t take Rapamycin if sick.

I spend a lot of time around children and the elderly in my work. In recent days I picked up a mild illness from one of the kids. It got my sinuses going, but nothing a few Sudafeds couldn’t handle. For two days my throat was slightly red, but not much pain to speak of.

This was happening just as I was scheduled to take my week 6 dose. I put off the dose for a day. My throat was still a little red but diminishing. I put off the dose for another day and found myself feeling great. Throat looking fine, no sinus issues to speak of.

So I took my next dose, upping it to 5mg.

Big mistake. All I can think is that I didn’t wait long enough and wasn’t actually over the illness. The next day the sickness came back more and more. With every passing hour I felt worse. By the end of the day I took a COVID test, which was negative. This was just the creeping crud.

Last night was harrowing. I woke up with chills that took an hour to break. I constantly awakened through the night. I woke up with chest congestion, a “frog” in my throat, and general body aches.

My hypothesis is that 5mg of Rapamycin told my cells to stop growing (healing) and in this gap a basic infection was given second wind. The whole thing is tragic in that it seems to have been entirely avoidable. I should have waited longer to take my next dose. In retrospect I could easily have skipped a week.

For those who may be wondering about antibiotics, I have been tending my microbiome for years and couldn’t bear devastating my “internal rainforest” for a bit of an infection. I believe I have a strong immune system and I believe it is revving up every day as the rapamycin works itself out of my body. So I’m going to wait and watch closely.

I will certainly go to Urgent Care and get a Z-pack if I notice things getting worse. Right now it seems to have stabilized. Besides, I do believe it’s a mild pathogen, judging by how quickly my body dealt with it pre-rapa.

Conclusions on previous side effects

In previous posts I mentioned several potential side effects of rapamycin. I have more data on those.

Concerning eye spasms, I had lots of eye spasms last week around Christmas, and hadn’t taken rapamycin in nearly a week. I am now convinced that it was the stress of the holidays and not rapa.

Concerning the slight rash on my arms, that appears to have been due to an unrelated experience I had during that particular week. Nothing like that has happened before or since. I am now convinced that it was not the rapa.

Concerning the splitting headache I had one week, I now repent of throwing OneSkin under the bus, because I happened to have used it the night before. I did several experiments over these past two weeks, applying that skin cream (as I mentioned, my partner loves it and is noticing pleasing results). Not once did I get anything even close to a headache. I am now convinced that I had a bit of a sinus infection that day (I get those) and the rapamycin kicked it into high gear.

I will absolutely be watching for any signs of illness in future weeks before taking a dose. Technically these aren’t side effects, but “effects.” If I take rapa when sick it does not help and actually appears to make things worse in the short term.

My Partner and my Dog

My partner is on a regimen of anti-fungal cream for something she wants to get rid of over the winter so her toe nail is clear by summer. To be safe she is taking only 1mg of rapamycin a week during these 45 days. She hasn’t noticed any other effects to speak of over the past few weeks.

My dog continues to react positively to rapamycin. Around Christmas some friends came to the door to drop off a present. They remarked at my dog’s perky demeanor. “How old is she, again?” They asked. “Twelve years old,” said we. “Wow, she looks so great!” They said. I am open to the possibility that we’re reading into the dog’s behavior, but I truly believe there has been an immediate and positive change in her health and state of mind. The 3mg doses for her 44lbs will continue.

A Few Learnings

This week I learned not to chew the pills. I know, what an idiot, right? Well I’d taken the pills with a spoonful of Olive Oil and I wanted it to dissolve in the oil so my mind said “chew” and I did. I immediately regretted it as a stomach ache was the quick result. You’re probably too smart to chew your pills, but if you get the idea resist it.

I have been thinking of rapamycin as a priority health intervention that “must go on!” That’s why I took the 5mg dose so close on the heels of my illness. That’s why I took 4mg two weeks in a row, because I knew I needed to be at my best around Christmas but didn’t want to interrupt the dosing.

I am coming to the realization that I can relax a bit about these dosings. If under the weather I should skip a week. If under a lot of pressure I should skip a week.

From all that I have read on this forum I’m not aware of anything that says “the dosing must go on!” In fact, I’ve read in several places that the key to rapa is in the long term usage (years) and in the difference between trough and peak. In both cases, a slightly extended dosing period should not hurt and may help, especially if there are mitigating circumstances.

Looking Ahead

We’re now in the new year and I’m close to the dose I was shooting for: 5mg-7mg weekly. I am going to monitor my body and see what makes sense as far as dose size and dose period.

To those who have chimed in on this thread, thank you! I appreciate that these missives are helpful and I especially appreciate it when you share your own experiences and suggestions. Happy New Year!

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Don’t take Rapamycin if sick.

Took the Pfizer covid booster vaccine last Friday, Dec. 23… felt a little off Saturday, 24… and Sunday, 25… assumed was shot reaction.

By Monday, 26 not feeling too hot. Was Rapamycin dosing day… took 2mg Rapamycin with GFJ… assuming it gave me a 6x’s dose 12 ng/mL

Tested for Covid on Tuesday, 27… I took 2 different tests… see.


Was positive… except for stuffy nose… no other issues. Was fine by Thursday, 29… tested negative with Covid yesterday. DONE… LOL

So that was it… the easiest illness I can remember… and I haven’t been sick in 2.5 years that I have been on Rapamycin.

Rapamycin is actually suppose to keep your immune system from over reacting… which I guess it did.

So Rapamycin can play a supportive aspect… depends on what is the issue… virus great… bacteria… maybe not so great.

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Positive COVID Test

I got a positive COVID test this morning after another terrible night’s sleep and an increasingly painful sore throat. This is my first time with COVID. It feels like I’ve been hit by a truck.

I was at an event last Wednesday that included people with COVID, as I later found out, so perhaps the timing was bad luck—perhaps I effectively fought off the mild infection from the children just as I was developing COVID.

I’m not sure what effect Friday’s dose of rapamycin may have had on this illness, or if there was anything I could have done to head it off. I’m now on Paxlovid for COVID and a Z-pack for ear congestion.

To be clear, I was exposed to COVID late on Wednesday, took 5mg of rapamycin on Friday, began to feel bad late Saturday, felt increasingly bad on Sunday, and got a positive COVID test on Monday.

AgeTron, I hope I have the same experience as you–quick and easy. It hasn’t been easy so far though.

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Thank you. It’s hit me like a ton of bricks :face_with_spiral_eyes:

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If Covid makes more cells senescent then all these things will happen.

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Any more updates?

How did you determine dosage for your puppy? My guy is 6 pounds 12 year old!

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