Intrigue: The Immortals (BBC)

A new radio / podcast series coming out from the BBC looks interesting. However, I suspect most people here won’t learn too much new in this series as it seems to be be covering the usual suspects.

A ten-part investigation into the tech billionaires who think death isn’t inevitable. almost a year in the making. The Immortals, on BBCRadio4 starting next Monday!

Over the last 100 years, we’ve seen global life expectancy double. Could it happen again? In The Immortals, technology reporter and psychologist Aleks Krotoski explores the frontiers of the extreme longevity pioneers. They’ve made their money in Silicon Valley. And with their technology solutions they’ve ushered in the world that we live in today. Some of them now want to solve the problem of aging - or even death itself - and they are making bigger strides than we may think. Can they? Should they? Listen to the box set on BBC Sounds from Monday 4 September 2023.

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Here is the show on Apple podcast. It sounds interesting. The episodes will be short (15 minutes) so the show does not have to be spectacular to have a good ROI.

Thanks for the tip, @RapAdmin

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The episodes are now available for download. Post your thoughts on the episodes…



Lots of focus on young blood and plasmapheresis… and all pretty basic information, with the added hype of “immortality”. I like in Episode 2 how Irina Conboy suggests that over the next five years that we may have “the fountain of middle age”, but not the fountain of youth…

and some related reading and viewing:

Here: Plasmapheresis Startup Looking for Clinical Trial Participants SF Bay Area

Here: Irina Conboy Plasmapheresis Webinar

Here: Lowering the Cost / Improving Access for Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (Plasmapheresis)


The fountain of middle age sounds reasonable.

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Any episode on rapamycin? :slightly_smiling_face:

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Only the first two episodes are available for free - after that you have to be a paid subscriber to the BBC podcasts (I didn’t know that paid podcasts where a thing… this is the first one I’ve run into, but I usually only listen to free podcasts I guess).

Perhaps someone who has a subscription can share any other information they find new and interesting in this podcast series.

Correction - you can play the podcasts on the BBC website links above

You just can’t use your regular podcast app and download the podcasts, it seems, without paying.

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Er … yes.
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Ah - they do have the podcasts available to listen to on the site for free… (its only if you want to download them I think you have to pay).

So… listen to the full list on the links above, for example:


Regarding Episode 4:

The New Scientist article by Sally Adee, who is featured in the Podcast on Ambrosia (which crashed and burned, I think largely because they didn’t have the clinical data to back up their claims), and yes, most people in the industry think the hype and crash of Ambrosia was not helpful to the longevity movement.

Exclusive: Inside the clinic offering young blood to cure ageing

In California, a start-up is offering blood plasma transfusions for $8000 to people who hope to turn back the clock. Is it safe, and will it work?

Episode 5: Celine Halioua and Loyal for Dogs

More information

Here: The Longevity Summit, News & Update - #9 by RapAdmin

Here: Video Interview: Celine Halioua, Founder of Loyal, a biotech startup developing drugs to extend dog lifespan

Here: One Step Closer To Helping Your Dogs Live Longer

Here: The Search for a Pill That Can Help Dogs—and Humans—Live Longer (Wired Magazine)

Loyal’s first drug is an IGF-1 inhibitor for larger dogs - currently in clinical trial. More on IGF-1 inhibitors: IGF-1 inhibitors and lifespan extension?

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Episode 6:

The Fable of the Dragon Tyrant:

Longevity escape velocity:

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Episode 7:

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Episode 8:

Nick Bostrom’s Future of Humanity Institute:

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I can’t say I’ve ever heard of this guy Emile Torres… seems like the podcast is exaggerating this fear and controversy far beyond the actual situation that actually exists.

The “Singularity” definitely has had a long run of popularity in the Silicon Valley and still continues but I sense the wave is definitely on the wane.

Episode 9: Nerd Rapture

Episode 10: After The Dragon

The idea of living forever has captivated us for millennia, but rarely do people imagine what would happen the day after the fountain of youth is discovered. Today’s technology entrepreneurs pushing an immortality agenda - through their investments and their influence - seem only focussed on the pursuit. Whether or not immortality is a distant possibility, how do we cope with living longer en route to forever? Where’s the planning for that? It’s a great opportunity for innovative thinkers but, from what we’ve seen over the last two decades of technological disruption, these real but smaller goals aren’t nearly as enticing as the big ones. In this series, technology reporter and psychologist Aleks Krotoski explores the frontiers of the extreme longevity pioneers. They’ve made their money in Silicon Valley. And with their technology solutions - PayPal, Facebook, cryptocurrencies - they’ve ushered in the world that we live in today, with all its unintended consequences. Some of them now want to solve the “problem” of aging, or even death, and they are making bigger strides than we may think.


I finished listening to these podcasts this morning. My conclusion is that it turned into a total hatchet job conflating anyone interested in longevity with either being vampires or trans-human nutjobs seeking “immortality” by uploading themselves to the metaverse. It was a wasted opportunity and the writer / presenter clearly has her own agenda on the topic. There was a time when the BBC was respected for its even handed reporting. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.


I gave up after the first few. BBC was trying to be clever instead of reporting the news. High production quality but low value entertainment packaged as reporting.


Yeah, it was pretty average. A lot of very general talk with no actual substance / science.
It’s a shame. They missed a good opportunity……


Although an important issue where the science really matters little reporting goes beyond clickbait. I did not look at any of these programs as they seemed too clickbaity.

Good reporting is very hard because of the need to accurately report the contradictory viewpoints on the science.

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