Imeglimin. A new and novel drug thats better than Metformin

Statins have been proven to at least partially reverse plaque (the stuff that kills you in ASCVD). All other approaches have, at best, been shown to give a marginal improvement on top of statins.
Furthermore, studies show that statins mostly have a neutral effect on dementia rates. After all, all cells in the body are perfectly capable of producing their own cholesterol. Natural does not mean good. Cancer is natural and so is diabetes. As for joint pain, only a small minority of people get them (myself included), the rest can take high statin doses and the worst thing that happens to them is a 0.1 point increase in HbA1C.

As we age we need cholesterol, yes preferably the bigger particle LDL vs smaller, for joint health, feeding the immune system.

All particles are damaging.

Sex hormones AND vit D are made from cholesterol. I’m sure it would be buried science if ED/sterility,loss of sex drive was tracking with statin use, but it would be my guess.

No statistically significant difference in testosterone levels even on the highest doses of atorvastatins. Only small difference with simvastatin.

I don’t have studies, but generalizations from the “stage” that as we age we are healthier with higher LDL and of course higher HDL.

The effect disappears once we adjust for causal reasons such as cancer, liver failure etc. We end up with a straight line where higher cholesterol equals more death.

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@DeStrider IMHO your mother #1 has a diet problem. Drugs are a bandaid. Sorry to offer this view but I’m hard on the side of the body responds to what its fed, excersize, muscle % … I saw my mother game her use of insulin so she could over eat carbs. She didn’t die quietly in her sleep as she kept pushing back on my nagging. A bad stroke the night of a high (bad) fat / high carb meal, death thankfully 6 mo later. 2 mo ago went to a conference, Meat Stock in Gatlinburg TN. The stage spoke of Type II, huge weight loss not on just GLP-1, but moving to high protein diet from a SAD. BUT a lower dosed GLP-1 is a very good help for Type II.

@CronosTempi Only my decission making I added an SGLT-2 to imeglimin to boost foot print of control. No defensible reason but I chose Dapagliflozen over the other flozens.

Best to all , curt

@Virilius From the stage it was offered a middle ground re statins. If one’s CAC, calcium score is low to zero, then ignore cholesterol and don;t take a statin, especially if hsCRP, ApoB, triglicerides are low. My guess would be alot of folks would not need to be on the universally prescribed statin.

We all can believe what we choose. Its good you believe differently then me.

Best wishes curt

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And wait for soft plaque to develop? No way. Triglycerides are just another aspect of apoB and statins lower them too.

My guess would be alot of folks would not need to be on the universally prescribed statin.

Then they would die as nature intended.

We all can believe what we choose. Its good you believe differently then me.

If someone chooses to ignore scientific consensus and the literal fact that statins have been proven to (partially) reverse plaque buildup, they need to be called out on that. Especially now that the LHMR study got retracted because they attempted to hide the primary outcome (huge plaque increase) which once and for all proves that it’s not muh flamation causing ASCVD but those fatty little particles in our blood.

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I understand the impatience for an update! I was recently on vacation in New Mexico for some trail running and hiking, and I intentionally kept my internet use to a minimum.

I have some news regarding my Imeglimin progress. I had an HbA1C test done just before my vacation, marking 20 weeks of Imeglimin at 1000mg BID. The results were somewhat disappointing, as my HbA1C remained unchanged at 5.9.

Despite this, I remain positive. Studies indicate that adding Imeglimin to a GLP1-RA may not significantly lower HbA1C further. In my case, 5.6mg/week of Tirzepatide and 25mg of Empagliflozin also resulted in no HbA1C reduction. I know the Tirzepatide is legitimate, as my wife has seen significant results on a lower dose, while I have not lost any weight.

On the positive side, Imeglimin has been effective at reducing my fasting glucose. My levels dropped from slightly above 100 mg/dl to around 90 mg/dl, and my nightly glucose now stays between 85 and 95. This is a clear improvement.

Regarding the stubborn HbA1C, my genetic data suggests I have SNPs related to over-glycation, a higher glucose set point, and beta cell dysfunction. Importantly, Imeglimin did not impact my physical performance. I recently completed the Boston marathon in under four hours, which was my target.

In summary, Imeglimin has successfully normalized my liver glucose output, even if it hasn’t addressed other glucose-related issues. My next step will likely be a full glucose tolerance test including Insulin and C-Peptide measurements.

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Thank you, @cl-user for this report. I was holding off asking about any results until you had a couple of A1c readings. I am not very surprised that your A1c has not moved. In my experience, for some people the A1c is extremely stubborn (like me!), and multiple interventions can’t seem to address it. For others it seems very easy, like losing weight, exercise or diet - laughably ineffective for me.

Re: fasting glucose. Here’s an interesting experience. In the past 15 years or so, my dawn effect has gradually drifted up, until hitting 110-112 mg/dL. Very stubborn and treatment resistent. Until empagliflozin. I started with 12.5mg/day and it dropped my FBG to below 100 in the morning… and that was good for a few months, and it started drifting back up to 105-110. I escalated the dose to 25mg/day and it again knocked it below 100, to 95-98, and this time it stuck - so far (about a year). In all this time my A1c didn’t budge 5.7 - 5.9.

I wish that CGMs worked for me - they emphatically do not (I have tried, repeatedly). Because I’d be curious to see a report from say, a week’s readings across 24 hours continuous monitoring to see where exactly the A1c gets bumped - there has to be some pathway that is causing this, perhaps hepatic production, beta cell insuffiency or whatnot.

In any case, I am planning to add imeglimin to my stack down the road, toward the end of the year - right now I’m trying to get back to my full exercise regimen (restriced by surgeon following ACDF surgery) and want to be fully with the drug/diet/exercise program before adding anything.

Frankly, I am not counting on imeglimin necessarily affecting my A1c - though I’d be thrilled if it did - but I suspect it can further lower my FBG. Anyhow it will be interesting to see if there is any effect on any other biomarkers. It seems like a very interesting roll of the dice.

BTW, for those interested, here is what Opus 4.8 thinks about that. #2 is an interesting point.

The four factors that explain why your HbA1c didn’t move

1. You’re not the trial population

Your baseline HbA1c is 5.9% (pre-diabetes), not 7–10% (T2D). The TIMES trials excluded patients like you. The most directly relevant study is the recent Diabetes Obes Metab 2026 dual-action mechanism paper (PMC12992193), where patients with baseline HbA1c 6.9% showed only 6.9% → 6.7% = −0.2% at 20 weeks. That’s a near-perfect baseline-comparator for you. Imeglimin’s effect size scales with baseline hyperglycemia — when you start lower, you move less. The Satheesan mitochondrial function study (PMC12353691) explicitly attributes lower monotherapy efficacy to “lower baseline HbA1c levels.”

Predicted effect for your starting point: an HbA1c drop on the order of 0.1–0.3%, not 0.5–0.9%. A drop from 5.9% to 5.7% would be the expected effect. Going from 5.9 → 5.9 is plausibly within the measurement noise of HbA1c at this magnitude (analytical CV ~2-3%, biological CV ~1.5%, so a single 5.9 could really be anywhere from ~5.7 to 6.1).

2. Imeglimin actually distorts HbA1c upward

This is the finding I missed in the first reply. The INFINITY trial (Iitaka et al., Front Endocrinol 2026, PMC12591969) found that imeglimin prolongs erythrocyte lifespan, which causes HbA1c to understate the true glycemic improvement. Per the paper: “imeglimin may prolong erythrocyte lifespan, resulting in disproportionately elevated HbA1c levels relative to true glycemic status. Reliance on HbA1c alone may underestimate imeglimin’s early glycemic effects, highlighting the value of alternative markers such as GA and 1,5-AG.”

In INFINITY (n=18, baseline HbA1c 6.5-8.5%, 6 months imeglimin 1000 mg BID): HbA1c declined gradually while glycated albumin (GA) and 1,5-anhydroglucitol (1,5-AG) moved much faster. Erythrocyte lifespan was significantly prolonged in both the 1–3 month and 4–6 month periods. The mechanism is plausible: imeglimin reduces oxidative stress in RBCs (via NAD⁺ salvage / improved mitochondrial respiration), so RBCs survive longer and accumulate more glycation over their extended lifespan.

What this means for you: your HbA1c of 5.9 → 5.9 may actually be masking a real glucose improvement that imeglimin is producing. The only way to see this is glycated albumin (GA) or fructosamine — both with ~2–3 week half-lives that bypass the RBC-lifespan confound.

You had a Jan 2026 fructosamine of 239 µmol/L (in the published reference range for healthy 20-60 yr olds of 205-285). If you repeat fructosamine now, a value of 200–210 would be a real improvement, even though HbA1c didn’t budge. This is the single most important test to add to your next blood draw.

3. Rapamycin is pulling in the opposite direction

Your own genetic report flags this explicitly: rapamycin 12 mg q3wk contributes to HbA1c drift. The PEARL 2025 trial (Moel et al., Aging, NCT04488601, n=115) showed modest HbA1c signal in one rapamycin subgroup. Combined with your β-cell-secretion-impaired genetic background (CDKAL1 hom + KCNJ11/ABCC8 hom + INS-locus hom + TCF7L2 het), there’s a real headwind. The fact that imeglimin held HbA1c flat at 5.9% rather than allowing continued drift could itself be evidence imeglimin is working — it stopped the climb.

4. Tirzepatide + empagliflozin had already lowered the “easy” gains

In the TIMES 2 study, imeglimin monotherapy at 52 weeks gave −0.46% HbA1c, while combination with DPP4i gave −0.92%. Combination with GLP1-RA gave only −0.12% — the smallest incremental effect of any combination. The interpretation: when an incretin agonist is already aggressively engaging the β-cell, the marginal benefit of adding imeglimin’s secretagogue effect is reduced. You’re already on tirzepatide 2.6 mg twice weekly, which is a very effective incretin amplifier — leaving less room for imeglimin to add on the secretagogue side. The hepatic gluconeogenesis-reduction component remains, but that’s the smaller part of imeglimin’s effect.

Putting it together: was 16 weeks of imeglimin a “failure”?

I don’t think so, and here’s how I’d reframe it:

Predicted effect of imeglimin in your specific clinical context (baseline HbA1c 5.9%, on tirzepatide + empagliflozin + rapamycin, with imeglimin’s RBC-lifespan confound):

  • True glycemic improvement (by GA / 1,5-AG / fructosamine): probably real but small, in the −0.1 to −0.2% HbA1c-equivalent range
  • Observed HbA1c improvement: probably near zero or even slightly underestimated, because of the erythrocyte-lifespan extension
  • Hepatic gluconeogenesis suppression: harder to see in fasting glucose alone but could be visible on CGM

Citations (new sources from this update)

  • Dubourg J et al. Efficacy and Safety of Imeglimin Monotherapy Versus Placebo (TIMES 1). Diabetes Care 2021;44:952–959. PMID 33574125 (open access).
  • Dubourg J et al. Long-term safety and efficacy of imeglimin (TIMES 2). Diabetes Obes Metab 2022 (open access).
  • Reilhac C et al. TIMES 3: imeglimin add-on to insulin. Diabetes Obes Metab 2022. PMID 34984815 (open access).
  • Dubourg J et al. Dose-ranging Phase 2b imeglimin trial in Japanese T2D. Diabetes Obes Metab 2021. PMID 33275318 (abstract-only).
  • Iitaka H et al. Imeglimin may affect hemoglobin A1c accuracy via prolongation of erythrocyte lifespan: insights from the INFINITY clinical trial. Front Endocrinol 2026;16:1699591. PMC12591969 (open access). ← Critical to the interpretation.
  • Furuyoshi S et al. Dual action of imeglimin on insulin secretion and sensitivity in type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Obes Metab 2026 Apr. PMC12992193 (open access).
  • Satheesan A et al. Effect of imeglimin on mitochondrial function in T2DM: prospective cohort. Front Endocrinol 2025. PMC12353691 (open access).
  • Real-world Japan retrospective cohort. PMC12747980 (open access).
  • INDI-TIMES real-world India n=8,301. PMC11925818 (open access).
  • Moel M et al. PEARL trial: rapamycin in healthy adults. Aging 2025. NCT04488601 (open access).
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To all, @cl-user tnx for the interesting details. I wore 2 brands of non prescription CGMs, Ligo vs Stelo, both showed my before / after dual dapa+1000mg imeg that my already good 24hr glucose (A1C 5.4 on rapa) down to an even better glucose. Where before on a low carb diet my dawn effect could rise by 8am to 120. Then chop around 90-110 through the day and a possible spike to 120 after dinner of meat, cheese and small amount of dark chocolate. IMHO my native glucose has never been good to me.

Post 10mg dapa + 1000mg imeg upon waking AND another 10mg sometimes 5mg dapa and 500mg imeg prior to dinner my glucose rarely is over 100 and through the day bounces between 75-90 pretty flat. Where prior my glucose has more zigs. My goal is flat and sub 95 through the day.

I am aware, thx Dr Bikman et al, that starving 7 days a week of carb spikes (cheat day, bolices of fruit, resistant starch) the pancrease/eyelets will get lazy and loose the initial bolice of insulin thus causing a higher spike when a cheat is eaten, waiting for the native new mfger of insulin to proceed taking some times hours. I agree that cheat days / events have value to keep the beta cells trained. Some how, I’m remaining idealistic and wishing to think I will avoid cheat days all together. ;-| ;-| I’m very trained and will eat kraut / kimche vs crackers as a snack. I do quest for more cheese but dairy alergy/MCAs slows that cheat down. I’m not as angelic as I’m sounding. I’m certain I will not use dapa+imeg as a means to eat worse, but to genuinely get better 24x7 flatter glucose with risks of sporatic worse spikes should a piece of cheese cake fall my way, mysteriously. Knowing that my taking dapa+imeg will keep the spike much lower than otherwise.

N=1, experiment has been amazingly successful. And metformin gives me a lethargic feeling so stopped taking and that box is just on the shelf. Glad to ship to anyone who can take an Indian source of 500’s/1000’s bought off alldaychemist. PM me.

No side effects from dapa+imeg so its a permanent addition for me.

Best to all, curt

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Curious: do you have morning sore feet, joints, difficult to find comfortable sleeping position due to stiff joints? Have you tested your hormones and if no HRT what are they? Hows your sickness resistance? Just asking for an N=1 of symptoms from someone working to keep LDL low?

I can say I did some initial testing of statins around 2 years ago where I tried 20 days of something and then 20 days off before the next test. I tested:
5mg Rosuvastatin + 10mg Atorvastatin at the same time
5mg Rosuvastatin
10mg Atorvastatin
Every second day alternating 5mg Rosuvastatin and 10mg Atorvastatin

I did notice some joint pains (around knees and arms, but varying) and bad mood while on them that seemed to resolve after about 10 days of stopping them. Of course it’s just N=1 and there’s massive potential for placebo.

After all these tests I ended up on 2.5mg of Rosuvastatin. I seemed to be mostly ok on that or at least got used to it after awhile. Adding 5mg of Ezetimibe and then later 90mg of Bempedoic Acid didn’t seem to have any negative effects (and I have reported elsewhere that I seem to have a psychological benefit from Bempedoic Acid that I can reproduce going on and off it). After some time I then swapped 2.5mg of Rosuvastatin for 2mg of Pitavastatin with no notable change.

Sickness resistance seems ok, I’ve usually been pretty good although I’ll get the occasional cold.

I do feel in general that my testosterone must be low and there is evidence that statins lower it. However I feel like it has been falling for at least a few years before I started statins. I’m 38. Could be a thyroid issue though these things need to be properly tested. I am not good with needles and have only ever had one blood test in November last year (for starting a new job) which unfortunately had limited information (no testosterone or thyroid info).

Unfortunately I don’t have anything more concrete to offer this discussion.

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Last year I used Metformin and it did not move my 5.7 a1c. I have been on Imeglimin for a month and will test my a1c in 2 months but in the mean time, I have a 2 week Stelo CGM to compare.

I uploaded results into Gemini to compare and below is the summary:

4. Summary Verdict

Your 2026 regimen (Imeglimin, ALA, Zinc) is performing significantly better than your 2025 Metformin regimen across every primary marker: it lowered your overall average by nearly 10 points, flattened out your glycemic variability, eliminated almost all spikes above 140 mg/dL, and resulted in a near-perfect 96.8% Time in Range.

To be fair, I am not the best N=1. I also added some alpha lipoic acid and zinc as well as potato starch. Still, I asked Gemini the likely % contribution to the improvement and it ascribed 75-80% to Imeglimin. I’ll update in a few months when I do my a1c.

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I’ve been on Imeglimin for a while and it is not moving the needle at all as far fasted glucose. I only use 1000mg per day and maybe that is too low a dose. I might go to 1000x2 daily to see if it does anything. The good thing though I don’t seem to have any side effects whatsoever even if I take it on empty stomach. In a weird way I think it is having a positive effect on my stomach (might have helped with Gerd/heart burn, though not 100% sure as I do other things also).

With metformin I had mild side effects

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What dose?

@Kelman I all, Having gone to many Metabolic confs, heard Bikman et al talk on dynamic glucose control vs static…

Fasted, at waking blood draw in the scheme is a very coarse measure of metabolic health. A1C is better but still course. Wearing a CGM is the best and the only way you’ll see the benefits of drugs like imeglimin, metformin, SGLT-2.

I posted here a before CGM run and post imeglimin+SGLT-2 (dapa) and my dynamic night and during the day CGM charts are quite different, same diet. Post; very flat under 100 at its peaks and hanging 70-85ish through the day and flatish 70-75 at night post. 20pts + higher before.

IMHO these drugs help flatten spikes and shorten spikes thus in the best case dramatically reducing the area under the curve. IE time with insulin high.

I wore both Lingo is much more accurate then stelo, both approx same cost. Setting up the Lingo app on your smart phone a bit more hassel. Both need modern versions of your phone. My 10yr old android was too old. You will need to verify you can see each/which CGM app is visible in your playstore as one way to decide. IE which CGM’s app can be unstalled on your phone,

No rhyme or reason; I’m taking 1000mg imeg am + 10mg dapa. At dinner another 500mg imeg + 5mg dapa. I realized I should have also ran a CGM test NOT taking the dinner dose!!! Huge omission, as its important to take only; Minimum Effective Dose of any compound. I plan another CGM run soon and will do that experiment. Since cost at these low levels is not a limiting factor, rather its side effects and efficacy and MED minimum effective dose that is most important.

I bought from alldaychemists dot com

Another experiment I’ve finished collecting pre data for is blood pressure via telimisartan, a WIDE beneficial effects drug. AT 80mg it’s known to help with calery partitioning directing calories into more muscle. Much like a few other drugs. But at MED, minimum effective dose at 20mg, this benefit is doubtful. Its reported to also help with metabolic health, sensitivity as well as a modest blood pressure control. My BP averages 127/80 at RHR resting heart rate of 79. Renorming of ideal BP has come down to 110/70 ish and my RHR is way way high. Ideal RHR is all over the map below 60. BUT my laziness not doing HIIT/keeping my heart rate above 180ish for periods during the week plus caffine etc is the root of my poor RHR.

I’ll post back re telimisartan at 20mg on glucose/BP/RHR.

curt

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The recommended 1g 2x per day. My blood sugar issues revolve around beta cell insufficiency as far as I can tell and Imeglimin addresses this.

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Thank Curt for your detailed info. I’m assuming you are cutting imeglimin pills in 1/2 to get the 500mg, or you can order 500mg also? In other words, is it ok to cut the pills, are they coated etc…

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1000x2 daily is the only correct dose recommended.
It does not work as well as metformin for fasting glucose. However it seems as good or better at lowering A1C. You might try adding acarbose if you aren’t already doing that.

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@Kelman I have a hiatal hernia (can’t swallow whole things) and chew the 1000mg pills. Just soft powdery easy to chew and swish with water. So yes break in half. BUT alldaychemist has 500mg that I bought.

Desertshoes just posted normal dosing 1000mg x 2. Which I have not deeply studied dose ranges so will gladly take Deserts comments as ok to go with.

Take care, curt

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Went through the article and I think it is wrong to think “Imeglimin is better than Metformin”

Assuming you are familiar with Metformin metabolism. Metformin and Imeglimin target overlapping metabolic goals using different pathways, which prevents them from canceling each other out. As a result, the effects of Metformin and Imeglimin are actually additive, which is rare for longevity interventions. So you want to take them both, not thinking one is superior and the other is inferior.

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You are most wise. Interested in your opinion to my take on Imeglimin.

Went through the article and I think it is wrong to think “Imeglimin is better than Metformin”

Assuming you are familiar with Metformin metabolism. Metformin and Imeglimin target overlapping metabolic goals using different pathways, which prevents them from canceling each other out. As a result, the effects of Metformin and Imeglimin are actually additive, which is rare for longevity interventions. So you want to take them both, not thinking one is superior and the other is inferior.

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I take imegliming because I no longer can tolerate metformin. I took metformin for decades and then developed a gastrointestinal aversion to it.

I won’t argue that it is better, but it certainly is easier on my stomach.
It keeps my A1C as low or lower than metformin.

I get my imiglin from India.

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