Anyone taking Selegiline / Deprenyl For Longevity?

Maybe I missed something, but you and others appear to be taking too low of a dose, unless you are taking the orally disintegrating form. Is anyone using the patch form?

I don’t think it is a high-risk drug, but I commonly eat tyramine-rich foods. Also FWIW: AI thinks that selegiline is the more risky drug for the elderly.

The risk of a hypertensive “cheese reaction” from eating tyramine-rich foods (like aged cheese or cured meats) is generally considered low but not zero. Rare cases have been reported, so some caution is still advised.

I was considering trying selgiline, but I think that I will pass for now. Modafinil is serving me well.

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I agree with you after doing a little more research the other day and decided to increase my dose to 2.5mg every morning

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whatever happened to those two?
I used to follow them

@CronosTempi: what are your views on selegiline?

Who are the selegiline users here? @LukeMV: how is your higher dose experimentation going?

I’m considering giving it another try… Of maybe I should just wait for the ITP results but 2y is a long time :sweat_smile:

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Every biohacker has their own risk tolerance and stack inclusion criteria. This may be surprising to some, but I am pretty conservative wrt. my stack, and selegiline is outside my comfort zone. I regard it as a research molecule. The studies out there are quite unsatisfying and all over the place - nothing there inspires my confidence. Dosing protocols are a huge unknown. DDI potential is high - I prefer to protect the rest of my stack which I have a decent degree of confidence in, and do not see the sense of introducing an unpredictable stranger to our stable little family.

General remark: there are literally thousands of molecules about which there are claims that they are beneficial for something or other. But if I feel that for example my systemic (dry) inflammation is already quite low (hsCRP, IL-6, GlycA, WBC, netrophils etc.), why should I care that Latest Wonder Drug supposedly is “good for dry inflammation”? There are a thousand other “good for inflammation” supps out there - I feel no need to add them to my stack. Same for “neuroprotection”, “endothelium”, “x, y, z”. If my biomarkers are where I want them (example: inflammatory markers) I don’t need more. In the film industry there is an expression describing excessive effects: “a hat on a hat”. I already have a hat, I don’t need to put another hat on top of my hat. This in general is a huge problem in the approach of many biohackers: a shiny new - or old - supp/drug has its 15 minutes of fame and everyone jumps on the bandwagon regardless of whether they need it or not, just because “it’s beneficial for x”… fishoil anyone? “Oh, it’s neuroprotective!”… please🙄.

Why do I need - or want - selegiline? It must show that it does something that no other drug/supp in my stack does, OR does it better than a drug in my stack, and fits within my specific medical situation. And the inclusion bar is VERY high - even ITP results don’t assure inclusion. Metformin + rapamycin give good longevity results in rodents, but I STILL do not take metformin, because it does not fit with the rest of my regimen and personal medical situation.

Of course, selegiline has a PD indication. OK. But, call it prejudice, or excessive caution, but anything that touches dopamine in PD I am super careful and paranoid about (for example levodopa). Furthermore, I want to see long term effects, and lifespan data is not encouraging for selegiline in PD. I have an open mind about deprenyl and PD, but I am pretty cautious about it.

Bottom line: for me selegiline is a PASS at this time.

Sorry for the length, and YMMV - of course others may have a different experience or evaluation, no judgement from me, just giving my one man opinion (and only because I was asked).

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Thanks. I agree and that’s why I stopped it but a conversation with a researcher yesterday made me question that. Anyway, did you share your whole stack somewhere on the forum?

I haven’t had any side effects at all other than very bitter taste. I am very careful also when it comes to substances that mess with DOPA but this one seems very subtle to the point most may not notice anything, yet it must do something since for me I do get benefits. Comparing it with Modafinil as an example I would not take Moda long term even though the effects are more pronounced but it definitely has side effects and you can easily tell when it wears off whereas Selegiline nothing none just a small but much needed uplift in mood and wellbeing and you don’t feel anything while it wears off. The only time I feel a bit of a difference is if I don’t take it for 3-4 days and then my mood goes I guess to baseline. It is my opinion that everyone should take. Benefits are small but noticeable for me in form of uplifting mood and calmer. I do 1.25mg under the tongue. It is something that I’ll continue for life, definitely.

BTW, what is DDI? (you said DDI potential is high)

Yes. Obviously, my stack is geared to my specific medical situation, genetic vulnerabilities, age (67-68) and obsessions (CVD, brain health, prostate etc.).

Short version.

Prescription drugs:

1)pitavastatin 4mg/day
2)bempedoic acid 180mg/day
3)ezetimibe 10mg/day
4)telmisartan 80mg/day
5)empagliflozin 25mg/day
6)rapamycin 8mg/1-week

Still doing research, may add imeglimin, may swap olmesartan for telmisartan.

Supps are more fluid, with things added or removed over time and more complicated dosing protocols, but some more stable and regular ones: lithium orotate, carotenoids (astaxanthin, lutein, zeaxanthin, mesozeaxanthin, lycopene), benfotiamine, vit.D3, K1,2, super low dose melatonin (0.3mg/day), ergothioneine, EPA (500mg/2-week), magnesium threonate, and some stuff that is more complicated, occasional or shifting.

@Kelman - Drug Drug Interactions.

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I actually stopped taking it because I decided to get on Wellbutrin to boost my mood/energy and you’re not supposed to combine the two. I honestly doubt taking 2.5mg Selegiline would be an issue but I’d rather be safe than sorry. I couldn’t really tell is the 2.5mg was doing anything differently than 1.25mg though. If I ever stop Wellbutrin, I’d start Selegiline back up again.

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I hadn’t heard of the energy component. But certainly for the elderly, Wellbutrin would be the safer bet.

Sorry, please describe your experience with Wellbutrin? Did you get some more energy? Did you experience any unpleasant side effects, such as sleep disturbance? What dose are you taking, and how long before you experienced any subjective results?

Gemini Pro: Comparison for the elderly

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*Wellbutrin: Seizure Risk (Boxed Warning): Seizures are a known, dose-dependent risk of bupropion, occurring in less than 1% of people at recommended doses, but this risk increases significantly with high blood levels.

*Selegiline: While lower doses of selegiline (especially the patch) have a safer metabolic profile, the risk remains a significant cognitive burden for a patient to manage. Selegiline also has major interactions with many other common drugs (major drug interactions noted with 131 drugs)

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Sure. I’ve been taking it for 6 weeks now. I used 150mg the first 4 weeks and then upped it to 225mg (I split an additional 150mg tab in half). I will be raising it to 300mg soon and stay there.

I noticed a little bit of a mood boost. Nothing dramatic but I noticed a little more of a boost at 225mg after I developed a tolerance to 150mg. I can’t say I get a big energy increase but I do notice the mood boosting effects. I was already taking Saffron which has good mood boosting evidence so I added this to it. I may have had slight insomnia the first few days but insomnia isn’t unfamiliar to me so it might not have necessarily been that. I don’t seem to have any insomnia now. Most people seem to settle on 300mg so I am curious to see what that does.

I chose Wellbutrin because there aren’t really many withdrawal effects with it like SSRI’s. I want to be able to stop it anytime if I want to.

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Nvm I stopped Wellbutrin because I think it was giving me an afternoon crash so I am restarting 2.5mg Selegiline

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Did anyone save this page (that I wrote…) by any chance? The website disappeared and the page is not in the WebArchive. I spent hours writing it and it contained a good summary of the pros and cons of selegiline…

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Out of all the maoi’s I’ve tried, I rate moclobemide my favorite for mood and energy.
Tranylcypromine, phenylzine, and selegiline were the other maoi’s tried.
Though they all have fairly high ratings online from what I’ve read.

Out of those 4, moclobemide is a reversible inhibitor and the other 3 are irreversible inhibitors.
There is a newer mao-b inhibitor that is reversible called safinamide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safinamide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moclobemide

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I rate moclobemide my favorite for mood and energy.

Have you used modafinil? If so, are you able to compare Modafinil to Moclobemide? Modafinil can be used intermittently at 1/4 doses and 1/2 doses of the standard 200 mg pill without much of a problem somewhat like the use of caffeine at doses of 50 mg, 100 mg, and the typical 200 mg capsule. I wonder whether or not Moclobemide can be used the same way?

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Btw I never got any of these side effects with either drug. Max dose of Selegiline was 2.5mg and Wellbutrin was 225mg

Yes, and currently on modafinil. They are kinda comparable in regarding the dopamine, noradrenline style. Though a bit different in their mechanism of action and the “feeling” they produce as quite a few things are going on for each of them.

Modafinil seems kinda mild in effects after beening on it for 9 months, but still helps in avoiding day time naps which is good.
I don’t have any night time sleep issues with modafinil at 200mg/day.

My biggest problem with the maoi’s was sleep issues, such as waking up at around 2am to 5am, and cannot get back to sleep. I don’t use sleep medication, and would need one if I did decide to use various maoi’s.

If someone can get good effects with low dose (1/4, 1/2) modafinil or moclobemide, that’s amazing.

I did (and still do) take other products that might have boosted the effects of moclobemide such as a high protein diet, extra tyrosine & phenylalanine, and various plant extracts (caffeine, ginseng etc).
That seems to ramp things up :smile:

Let us know if you try it out!

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