https://x.com/AviBittMD/status/2008974026799239396#m
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The researchers for the guidelines are being dumb and lacking common sense about inference from diet → serum lipoproteins → health.
Since serum lipoproteins are causal for disease, then whatever increases or decreases it is also causal. The FDA approves drugs early while outcome trials are on the way solely on the fact of reducing serum lipoproteins because the causal evidence is so strong and lifetime effect is so large from every line of inquiry. Using novel and potent molecules warrants outcome trials even if it’s affects a potent causal surrogate endpoint, using familiar diet with epidemiological data doesn’t. One of the reasons for the requirement for outcome trials despite potent surrogate in pharma studies could possibly be because of epidemiological conflicts in post-approval studies, but there isn’t for diet, as the researchers note but hints as residual confounding.
This clownshow fuckery would mean we can’t improve any health biomarker in any way other than the way being directly studied for outcomes and that way detected a benefit. That would reduce the possibility space by ~99.9% for improving health even though there is no good reason to.
And the clowns doesn’t apply this criteria to their other recommendations like protein, where weight management outcomes is okay, but for reducing SFA we needed CHD/mortality. They’re targeting a surrogate endpoint!?
What the fuck is going on with this logical inconsistency? Fucking sophists.
Anyone want to bet on PolyMarket that the average US life expectancy will be doing down after all JFKjr’s policy changes?
See: Saturated Fat Accelerates Biological Aging, While PUFAs Hit the Brakes
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Actually, general health would be improved if people ate in a similar way as the guidelines on a population level, but still a lot of people would be maimed or dying because of the guidelines at the same time.
So add on top of that GLP-1,GIP,+ agonists and facilitating them and reducing obesity rates and health would increase, but still have spots that could cause millions of people to be maimed or die, depending how far the saturated fat clownery goes and for how long, and if it devolves into full blown lipid theory denialism.
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I should sue them because they stole it from me, this is my food pyramid LOL.
Are you guys sure that people would get their nutrition information from government. I for once didn’t ever look at the old food pyramid, and the only reason I’m looking at this it is because it being posted in here. I think people are way smarter than getting the information (on nutrition) from their government. Having said that I do eat exactly what I see in that picture daily with exception being I don’t use beef tallow or lard (have not even seen them in stores, but I wouldn’t touch them not necessarily that I think they are bad but because they look gross to me LOL). Good old organic olive oil and organic butter (in small quantities) is fine by me.
I eat steak 2-3 times a week, eat wild salmon 2-3 times also, and the rest of the week eat chicken. Eat eggs often, and feta cheese also very often, Organic A2 milk and eat a lot of vegies and some fruits. I would eat more fruits, but I don’t like the taste for some reason. So far at 60 this food pyramid has not killed me yet LOL and I’m 100% healthy. The only meds I do is for prevention, and not because of a certain condition so maybe this pyramid is not that bad after all.
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There are good things and bad things in the pyramid.
The science was followed as it pertains to sugar and processed foods. Not followed when it comes to saturated fat and is likely too protein heavy for the average person.
I am of the school that saturated fat is primarily harmful in the setting of refined carbohydrates and excess calories in general. And we have the relatively hard to explain beneficial action of full fat dairy.
I tend to think this pyramid is better than past because it helps to get weight down which helps everything - from an average US perspective. Putting whole grains down at the tip is pretty bad of course.
By why not just your standard Mediterranean diet? There really needs to be more emphasis on vegetable based protein - but beans are too cheap to have a lobby.
The fact is that climate change is gradually reducing the red meat out of the diet based on cost from the low herd count. This will likely continue.
I would say that science based nutrition guidance would not suggest red meat 3 times a week regardless of feelings about saturated fat.
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I agree with you regarding saturated fats. I think if used liberally they are not good. In small quantities anything is ok to be honest. As for red meat I actually eat it because it is one of the only two foods that lower my inflammation, which I have a problem with. the other one being wild salmon. So, these two foods I will use come hell or high water LOL, don’t know if they are good for longevity and health (salmon probably is) but I specifically eat organic steak for that reason. No other meat has that effect btw. I’ve tried lamb, pork, poultry etc… but they don’t do anything for inflammation. I tried couple times goat and it seemed it had some anti-inflammatory effect also (maybe not as good as Steak) but I can’t find goat meat anywhere near where I live.
And as a final note in my opinion and this is solely based on anecdotal (and my observation) the quantity of food we eat is more important than the type of food we eat. I feel best (regardless of food type) when I have a deficit in total calorie intake.
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I’m happy about the new pyramid. Vast improvement over the previous one. Don’t know what you all are upset about.
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People shouldn’t, placing their trust in a glorified DMV is taking away their own power.
I’m more interested in how they made their decisions.
I think this is why many are upset:
What are the weaknesses of the new guidelines?
Nestle: They’re muddled. They say on the one hand that you should be eating more meat and high fat dairy products, and on the other hand that you should restrict saturated fat to 10 percent or less of calories. That’s going to be very hard to do. Meat and dairy products are the biggest sources of saturated fats in American diets. So that’s a contradictory recommendation.
The recommendation to eat more fruits and vegetables is contradicted by the numbers that they’ve given — three servings of vegetables and two servings of fruit. That’s about half of the fruits and vegetables recommended in the previous dietary guidelines.
Does prioritizing protein make sense?
Nestle: The idea of encouraging people to eat more protein makes no sense at all, because people are already eating twice as much protein as they need. You can argue that these guidelines say you should be eating your protein from real foods, not from ultraprocessed foods, but people are already getting their protein from real and not ultraprocessed foods. Protein is never an issue in American diets
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From Tha linked article https://www.sciencenews.org/article/protein-intake-balance-benefits
Recent figures from the U.S. Department of Agriculture suggest that adults in the United States are eating 35 to 55 percent more protein than the recommended daily allowance established by the government of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. “
Except there’s a catch: Dietary guidelines worldwide tend to hinge on the assumption that all whole-food protein sources are created equal.
Mounting evidence says that’s not true. “Those equivalencies aren’t equivalent,” says metabolism expert Rob Wolfe, also at UAMS. “We should pay attention to the quality of the protein.” Quality is determined by the molecular makeup of a given protein and how it gets digested in the body. Work by Wolfe and others shows that animal foods such as meat, dairy and eggs typically contain higher quality proteins than plant foods, including legumes, nuts and seeds.
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I have a hard time trusting what someone named Nestle have said about diet. 
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I’m sure you know this, but for the peanut gallery… the most notable protein researchers point out that at the quantity of protein most Americans eat, the quality of the protein doesn’t matter… it only matters when you are closer to the minimums (and time and time again, they show no one even eats as little as the RDA recommends)
Those who need to pay attention are the elderly who don’t consume enough calories so therefore their protein intakes have drastically lowered and vegans who are not paying attention.
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Good to know, thanks!
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There isn’t even beans in this damn pyramid.
It doesn’t distinguish between different types of meat (there’s huge variation)
It’s politically motivated and corrupt just as the last food pyramid is.
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Totally agree on the beans. Also note how they say get protein from whole foods … Olives.
I was like “olives are a good source of protein?” I didn’t know that. Turns out they aren’t. That is kind of basic proofreading stuff.
Olives … But not beans?
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They must’ve left beans out because they make you fart. 
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