Wow, quoting radio free asia… everyone with a brain knows that is a USA propaganda (CIA). I am sorry but it sounds like either you are a troll or can’t objectively study information. Please learn how to have a little bit of critical thinking, especially if you want to improve your health.
China has rapidly emerged as a central player in biopharma alliances. In 2025, China captured 34% of the total alliance investment from the US and European Biopharma industry, compared with 4% in 2020, and five of this year’s 10 highest-value alliance deals were with China-based companies.
China’s biopharma industry is playing an increasingly important role in the development of innovative drug candidates for cancer and other diseases.
International drug companies recognize the increased pace of innovation, and China has accounted for half of global licensing deals this year by dollar value.
China is becoming an innovator in more complex treatments.
Some 46% of all new drug molecules that began human trials in the first half of this year originated in Chinese biopharma companies.
I will go for a tourist visit when when the roads are decent, sidewalks are clean and no mud or people literring and their kids and pets taking a dump, when i can say xi jin ping ccp sucks, when i can drink milk and eat vegetables with ease of mind…when i can browse fb and whatsapp and google…when private companies can operate freely without ccp steering committees…
In other words…not in the foreseeable and unforeseeable future
Add me to your embassy excel sheet…i am already inside anyway
China science leadership…barely 4y ago…i still recall that i also felt that the clinical trials for chinese vaccines…to put it gently…could be vastly improved…vis a vis the pfizer moderna trials…
PRC is producing 10x the STEM talent than the US. Unlike other fields, the results are verifiable and testable. So the more STEM talent the more advances. It’s not like the humanities where people can make stuff up and no one can test the findings. Sometimes it does happen in a way that bypasses testing, but that means usually you can find out eventually.
Living in China, I can tell you that Chinese cities are more advanced than any in the world. Mid tier cities are more advanced than their comparable Western cities. Rural cities are probably worse than their Western counterparts though. Their poor are still poorer. They’ve come a long way in the past few decades though.
In top unis, labs, pharmas, u can bet the scientists are repeating the experiments rigorously in their labs.
Their PI demands it, their reputation is on the line, the junior researchers grind through the 100x repeat of an experiment, clean up the manuscript for the 50x, and then submits it to the journals. They poke holes at it…is the SE too high, is the data wrong, etc.
The world cab see how China handled covid and their vaccine trials…very poorly…their citizens were fed rotten food en masse (which causes food poisoning if not cancer)
No doubt their C9 unis have many foreign trained phds and i really wish them well it is gd for the world and science if they can really contribute solid science to this world.
They do well in math research and several stem areas where raw talent is key over experiments.
But i personally am very skeptical of their research trials etc
You can see how lousy tsinghua uni is, the dorms, the classrooms, the foreign construction workers here live in better equipped dorms.
Just me. If u believe china is really good, good for u, i respect ur views!
Fascinating thread! I am US based and grew up with cold war thinking.
It is interesting how we as humans can have a hard time adjusting their biases. Every society presumably thinks they are the best and that good things said about “others” is probably lies especially when they are “enemies”. This bias is not very helpful. It is a testament to the global nature of the elites in science, medicine and finance, that these biases are being overcome.
I also think it is fair to say that totalitarian societies have a tendency to lie a bit more than more open societies. The US and China are approaching parity rather quickly. Both systems have their advantages but the coordination and financing of things generally is a lot better in China. I am still in awe and jealous of their high speed rail network and their overall speed in accomplishing big things when they are so motivated.
Eeh, you have to take a historic perspective. Things change and evolve. Is there a ton of dodgy stuff happening in China with epic fraud levels? Sure. But go back in history and look at how Japan, or South Korea, or for that matter the US evolved? That’s right - tons of fraud. Why do you think the FDA had to be established and in general consumer protection? As wealth gets generated, eventually the population demands better and standards get established and things improve. That’s a bit more complicated in the case of China because of the authoritarian system, but give it time. In time - I bet you - the population will demand better, including government. And don’t get complacent either. Things can go in the other direction. As the population gets complacent, as the system is gamed, education levels fall and things move backward. Everyone sees authoritarianism in places like Russia and China - and I’m with you on despising that system. It’s anti-human and anti-civilization. Speaking of which, have you been watching what is happening in the USA? Talk about devolution. There’s an authoritarian takeover underway and the opposition to that is ineffective, institutions have failed and we’re sleepwalking into a third world status. That tells you, you can’t take anything for granted.
And there’s China. I’m much more optimistic - I think the younger generation already is ideologically smarter. It may seem like a complete fantasy - but I am confident China will be free of political oppression one day. Right now there is a struggle for civilization. The West is failing in the task of moving humanity forward. China might just become the new guardian of civilization. They’re certainly moving forward technologically - in this space, if you stop paying attention for even 3-5 years, you can miss monumental developments. China is becoming a scientific and technological giant. Where the West is becoming distracted and ineffective, China is surging. Now they need to fix their socio-political system and that’s where the center of gravity will move for humanity, away from the West. The West is old and tired seemingly unable to adjust and evolve and solve its problems - too bad. Russia is a different barrel of fish - a criminal enterprise masquarading as a country - it has failed in every single metric worth looking at, and the sooner that country disappears the better.
Bottom line: you need to keep a historical perspective and keep up with the times. China of even 5 years ago is not the China of today. Technologically they’re moving us forward. I can only hope that their political evolution is as successful, otherwise we’re in for some bad times globally. In the meanwhile, I’ll cite a Chinese leader from the past - “it doesn’t matter if the cat is white or black as long as it catches mice”. If the Chinese - or Etruscans - develop a successful drug that I can use, or an intervention that makes my life better, I am not going to turn up my nose because of where it came from… that would be silly, no? And no, I don’t take anything on “trust”, but that’s true of Western developed drugs as much as Chinese - all of it needs to be validated. Looking at the abysmal developments in medical science here in the US, I’m sure glad there’s someone else picking up the slack, in this case the Chinese. YMMV.
Harvard still dominates, though it fell to No. 3 on a list measuring academic output. Other American universities are falling farther behind their global peers.
Today, Zhejiang is ranked first on that list, the Leiden Rankings, from the Centre for Science and Technology Studies at Leiden University in the Netherlands. Seven other Chinese schools are in the top 10.
The center at Leiden has begun producing an alternative ranking that is based on a different academic database, called OpenAlex. Harvard is No. 1 in that ranking, but the trend is the same: 12 of the next 13 schools on the alternative list are Chinese.
Sad that rich oligarchs from so called democracies are trying to horde wealth instead of helping humanity. If they live in China, they will get into a lot of trouble.
hope your health is good 
