Testosterone Replacement for Older Men

@RufusDawes Thanks for posting your regime, glad it’s pushing you in the desired direction. One question, why DHEA only once a week? I take 50mg daily along with 200mg DIM, so I’m curious as to your rationale for only once a week.

If you look at my stack I take DHEA 4x per week, average dose and small dose. I had issues with mild BPH and Prostatitis the last few years so I didn’t want the DHEA to negatively impact my prostate, so I decided to be careful with how often I took it.

I started taking DIM on my DHEA days but it made me feel crappy, then I watched this video and I decided it was best for me to eliminate the DIM:

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Oops, sorry I didn’t notice that I should have read it more carefully. Thanks for the video, I will give it a look.

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My husband has had positive results from 25 mg Clomid taken 3 times per week for 10 weeks. His total and free testosterone rose from 268 and 31, respectively, to 362 and 58. However, he doesn’t feel any differently. His dosage was increased to 50 mg 3 times per week and he’ll retest again soon. If it’s not effective at improving his T levels and making him feel better, he’ll switch to T replacement.

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He may want to switch to enclomiphine as it raises testosterone without the side effects of clomid

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What are the best sources of enclomiphine in the U.S. and NYC area, in particular? I understand it’s not FDA approved so must be compounded, is that right? So his conventional urologist would not prescribe it. He’d need to find someone else.

I would consider going with Enclomiphene over clovid.

According to a few weight lifting forums, the former has fewer side-effects than the latter.

We have a lot of discussion on Enclomiphene on this forum, please look it up.

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@AmyK

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Very interesting.

“Most of these positive beneficial effects were due to testosterone getting aromatized into estrogen. A reminder to lay off the aromatase inhibitors!”

What are the common aromatase inhibitors in food?

From Wikipedia:
The following natural products have been found to have inhibiting effects on aromatase.

  • Apigenin (celery)
  • Catechin (Tea, cacao, vinegar, blueberries)
  • Chalcones
  • Eriodictyol
  • Hesperetin (grapefruit, lemons)
  • Isoliquiritigenin (licorice)
  • Mangostin
  • Myosmine (tobacco, nuts)
  • Nicotine
  • Resveratrol
  • Vitamin E
  • Zinc
  • Many mushrooms
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Personally, I’d stick with non-feminizing estrogen.

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There’s a two sided war in the TRT world when it comes to estrogen. Some say you must keep it in range with the use of aromatase inhibitors like anastozole and aromasin, while others say you want all the estrogen that testosterone converts to and that aromatase inhibitors have negative effects you want to avoid.

I’m trying to figure out if the study says what the level of estradiol these men reached but can’t find it anywhere.

I don’t think the things you listed have strong enough aromatase inhibiting properties to move the needle all that much, personally.

@AmyK mind chiming in?

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This talk has some great info about TRT;

Attia shares that he started HCG therapy 6 months before the recording

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Great news. The FDA removed the black box warning on testosterone three days ago. Long overdue.

“Based on the results of TRAVERSE, the FDA issued new recommended changes to current labeling language for testosterone products. According to the FDA’s news release, these include adding the results of the TRAVERSE trial to all testosterone products; retaining “Limitation of Use” language for age-related hypogonadism; and removing language from the Boxed Warning related to a heightened risk of adverse cardiac outcomes for all testosterone”

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Have you tried this yet - how is it working for you?

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The 5/25 numbers are after two months of 12.5 mg/day.

Subjectively, notable improvement in processing speed. E.g., less response lag to driving inputs. Less amplitude in irritability. I had no expectations going into this, and the changes were enough to make me go, ‘Well that’s different’.

Negatives: Pretty sure I have to pee one additional time overnight, though this doesn’t seem to be a reported effect. And it seems to have raised heart rate by several BPM. Subject to further monitoring.

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Just curious - why did you decide on ordering from BG Pharma, when it seems there are many enclomiphene options from India? Are you in Europe?

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They’re lying.

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Enclomiphene Citrate 20 mg daily raised my TT to 1300 ng/DL and FT (calculated, not Direct) to 94 pg/DL, but I noticed nothing subjectively. I suspect that the calculated FT may not be as accurate as a Direct FT measurement. Those are fairly high numbers so I am now trying 10 mg daily and will take another test in a few weeks that includes the FT Direct test, not the cheaper calculated version. However, as I said, so far I notice no subjective differences with these higher numbers than from my former low level of TT and below normal level of FT, but it’s still early in the process.

My India Mart search months ago did not find any pure Enclomiphene Citrate, only products mislabeled as such. Looking closely at the labels they seemed to be essentially the same as Clomid which contains both isomers, enclomiphene and zuclomiphene. You do not want to take zuclomiphene because it may affect emotions and may be feminizing and it has a very long half-life. Enclomiphene Citrate will raise FSH, LH, TT, and FT, but without feminizing or emotional effects, so the literature says. So, here is a link to the Enclomiphene Citrate I use: Enclomiphene For Sale | 99% Pure | Fast Shipping | PureRawz

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I’ve heard anecdotal reports that raising testosterone with enclomiphene vs with exogenous testosterone does not result in the same user experience at equal blood testosterone levels.

Can you elaborate? Better vs worse? Do the anecdotal reports apply to HCG vs TRT as well?