Sleep supplements: what is most effective, least habit forming, and safest?

Personally I find low-dose trazodone (25-50mg) one of the cleanest, safest sleep aids available. When I use it I have no morning “hangover” effect at all.

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When it comes to cognitive safety, trazodone is significantly safer than Benadryl (diphenhydramine). The critical difference between the two lies in how they interact with acetylcholine—a neurotransmitter essential for learning, memory, and clear thinking.

Feature Trazodone Benadryl (Diphenhydramine)
Anticholinergic Activity Negligible Very High
Mechanism Serotonin modulator; blocks some histamine receptors Blocks histamine and acetylcholine receptors
Acute Cognitive Effects Morning drowsiness, dizziness Confusion, memory blunting, severe “hangover” effect
Long-Term Dementia Risk No linked risk; may improve sleep architecture Strong, dose-dependent link to increased risk

The Anticholinergic Burden

Benadryl is a strong anticholinergic drug. It easily crosses the blood-brain barrier and blocks acetylcholine. This action is notorious for causing acute cognitive impairment—often described as brain fog, confusion, or a heavy “hangover”—particularly in older adults.

Trazodone, while also a sedative, operates primarily as a serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor (SARI). At the low doses typically used for sleep, it blocks certain histamine and alpha-adrenergic receptors to induce sleepiness, but it has almost zero anticholinergic activity. It does not chemically disrupt the brain’s memory-forming pathways.

Long-Term Dementia Risk

The most significant divergence in their safety profiles involves long-term cognitive decline.

  • Benadryl: Cumulative, long-term use of strong anticholinergics like diphenhydramine is heavily linked to an increased risk of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. A landmark 2015 study in JAMA Internal Medicine demonstrated a dose-response relationship: taking the equivalent of 50 mg of diphenhydramine daily for over three years elevated dementia risk by 54%. The cognitive damage from long-term use may not be reversible even after stopping the drug.
  • Trazodone: There is no evidence linking trazodone to an increased risk of dementia. In fact, some clinical studies at institutions like UCSF have investigated trazodone as a way to slow cognitive decline in patients with mild cognitive impairment or early Alzheimer’s, as it appears to enhance slow-wave (deep) sleep without the toxic anticholinergic burden.

While both medications can cause falls and next-day drowsiness due to their sedative properties, Benadryl actively suppresses the neurotransmitters required for sharp cognition, making it a notably higher risk for long-term brain health.

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I’ve been thinking of getting this to have it on hand. What is a good vendor for this?

Wondering what’s the rationale for 3g’s of vitamin C? Especially when it comes to being part of the sleep stack?

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In the US, a PCP can prescribe it pretty easily. There is a service also called GoKick (https://www.gokick.com) that can prescribe it. For 30 days script, its was like 47 cents (US).

I happened to take it one night before bed after having an exceptionally hard work shift that finished really late after someone recommended I take it at that moment and it seemed to coincide with a good sleep along with the rest of the stack.

Maybe it does nothing for sleep. Maybe it does. I’m going to continue taking it for the time being as long as this overall stack works.

Working long hours and finishing late past midnight never causes me to have a good sleep by the way, this was not the factor.

Most of the efficacy outside of melatonin is from the glycine and taurine. At those doses they’re very effective at making me feel sleepy.

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Yeah, kikiko’s CBN has been the one thing that helps, when others fail
trazodone does not help

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I’ve been trying some new things lately and had success last night that I hope to replicate!

I took:

  • 2 capsules of silexan, a standardized lavender essential oil preparation.
  • 1 capsule of magnolia bark. Not extract, just the herb powder.
  • 1 750mg capsule of agmatine sulfate.
  • 1mg guanfacine.
  • 1 capsule of magnesium glycinate.

I didn’t take:

  • Melatonin

Silexan
I’ve been taking 1x capsule of silexan nightly for 1-2 weeks and wasn’t noticing much from it. Out of frustration from poor recent sleep I decided to take 2x last night.

Some ok data on sleep. Also seems fairly innocuous. I found it on special and decided to put it in my arsenal of sleep tools to trial.

Magnolia Bark
That frustration also led me to try magnolia bark. Magnolia bark contains honokiol which is an interesting phytochemical which among other things acts on alpha GABA receptors, supposedly without the negative effects of benzodiazepines.

Agmatine Sulfate
I don’t attribute much of the sleep benefit to agamtine sulfate, which I’m taking to test out a claim of it helping improve dopamine receptor sensitivity and for general mood boost. This may or may not be working for these purposes, it’s hard to say.

Guanfacine
I have been taking gaunfacine for 15-20 days at this point. The first few nights it really helped with sleep but then it started making no difference. I don’t really put much weight on this for last nights effects.

I’m trialling this dose of guanfacine for 1-2 months and I’ll likely increase the dose by 1mg and see if I get more benefits for ADHD and sleep from this. Up to a maximum of 4mg. It seems somewhat beneficial for ADHD but sleep effects vary too much to rely on IMO.

Magnesium Glycinate
Magnesium glycinate I take most nights. As long as I don’t take too much I don’t notice any negative effects, but also no real positive effects.

Didn’t take Melatonin
Didn’t take melatonin. Melatonin seems to help when I haven’t taken it in a long time, but eventually seems to cause me to not fall asleep and wake up too early.

As with everything I’ve tried for sleep, I don’t expect this stack to work tonight lol. But I’ve read some pretty positive stuff about magnolia bark and its constituent honokiol before. Read a bit more here if you want: Honokiol - Wikipedia

I plan on going deeper on it and making a detailed post some time.

I got it from iHerb.

This is the magnolia bark capsule product I have: https://au.iherb.com/pr/swanson-vitamins-full-spectrum-magnolia-bark-400-mg-**60-capsules/117681

This is one I am interested in trying as it is extract which contains a standardized amount of honokiol: https://au.iherb.com/pr/swanson-vitamins-magnolia-extract-200-mg-30-vegan-caps/117963

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This worked again last night.

I think it is mostly the magnolia bark.

I’m looking into its major phytochemicals honokiol and magnolol as they might be the specific things causing this beneficial effect.

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I have a routine that involves large amounts of melatonin. I want to take the large amounts of melatonin for reasons other than sleep. Hence I don’t want to change this aspect of my stack. However, it would be interesting to see what could be done to have more continuous sleep. I almost expect to be awake for an ultradian cycle at night time (normally in the early morning) and I plan for this by allowing enough time in bed to get at least 6 hours continuous sleep. I do read my phone during the first hour of the woken cycle at times, but I normally now get at least 6, sometimes 7 and even at time 8 hours sleep time. As I can function OK on 5 and well on 6 I am not in a rush to do anything about this.

Hi @John_Hemming! I’ve been having Claude Fable go through my protocol and he keeps whining about me taking so much melatonin. I’ve been take 30mg per day. I don’t need it for sleep and only taking it for the other benefits.

Would you mind sharing a couple of your favorite papers/resources of why you believe larger doses are beneficial, so I can share them with ‘him’. I’m trying to convince him :).

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Sleep onset was fast last night but I woke up an 1-2 hours earlier than I’d like.

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Perhaps start with these which we’ve covered in the past:

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I am away at a conference at the moment. The reason i take a lot is to prevent mtDNA damage. I would need to spend quite a bit of time to put this together which I dont have at the moment.

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Hi @Beth

Do you take it (30 mg) as one serving at night?
Have you noticed any noticeable effects from taking 30 mg melatonin?

Hi @Curious!

Yes, I take 3 pills that provide a total of 30mg of melatonin and 3000g of glycine (glycine as part of my glyNAC)

Some of the melatonin is immediate release, and some of it is extended release.

In the past, I have also taken 100mg immediate release from Pure Bulk (one pill and no fillers). Even at that high dose, I’ve never noticed anything other than I sleep well.

I did take 1g once and felt odd enough that I was a little nervous.

I’ve been a little less peppy lately, so I did just take 5 days off to make sure it really wasn’t the melatonin (Claude’s idea)… once again, Claude was wrong, I feel the same and my sleep is the same. I’ll be starting back up.

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Had issue getting to sleep last night. Magnolia bark itself at a single 400mg capsule does not seem to be the heavy hitter I thought it was going to be, you still need to watch caffeine consumption and avoid heavy late night stimulation from light, activities and so on.

I’m going to trial a DORA some time soon I think. But I’m also interested to try higher dose magnolia bark, and also trial honokiol and magnolol, which are constituents isolated from magnolia bark.

Caffeine blocks the adenosine receptor. I would not take something to overwhelm that effect.

I have tried many herbal supplements, valerian root, chamomile, lavender, ashwagandha, and passionflower, over the years, and found none of them very effective.

I am sleeping quite well with a minimal sleep stack. A few days ago, I watched a Dave Asprey video on YouTube. I have been following Dave Asprey since he achieved some minor media fame for his “Bulletproof Coffee.” He is not a scientist by any means. But I like to follow him because he is always trying something new on himself. He was sharing his experience with apigenin. He claims it improves deep sleep by 1700%. Which, of course, is just a clickbait phrase for his video.

After watching the video, I did leave a negative comment: "Current scientific literature does not support the claim that apigenin significantly increases deep (slow-wave) sleep, nor is there clinical evidence demonstrating a 1700% increase in any specific sleep phase.

But then I said, “What the hell, I have a bottle of apigenin sitting unused on my shelf; I’ll give it a try.”

Since apigenin is relatively poorly absorbed, I take it with BioPerine. I started with 50 mg of apigenin and did notice a little subjective improvement in my sleep. The next night, I tried 100 mg, and it had a strong effect. My sleep-tracking watch shows an improved pattern of deep sleep, and I wake up feeling like I got a good night’s sleep.

100 mg of apigenin has such a good effect; I don’t think I could get a better effect with a higher dose. Dave Asprey uses 400 mg.

For those who are having trouble with sustained sleep, this is a relatively inexpensive and harmless supplement to try. I was quite skeptical, but it works for me.

Asprey video

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