Senolytic Therapy: What are you doing?

Hardly. Try again. I said the field needs overhaul, not elimination. Fisetin in the other hand…

And holy moses, is it that controversial to recommend an overhaul when you have a systemic error of that magnitude? What are the alternatives? I mean, really. Wonders never cease.

Meanwhile fisetin has failed, the ITP for one. Looking at the literature and the weight of evidence, I think it’s done. Of course, if someone feels there’s a benefit in their situation, more power to them.

My position remains unchanged and my post stands until contrary evidence emerges, at which point I’ll gladly adjust my framework. YMMV.

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Fisetin also appears to have failed the Mayo Clinic human trials. Senolytics also failed in Aubrey DeGreys mouse trials - they reduced life expectancy of the mice! I dabbled with them and they gave me very bad diarrhea. I think they are only marginally useful for the very old. Stay away from them if you’re young and stick to senomorphics IMHO! Mouse trials with senomorphics vs D+Q found senomorphics like Rapamycin and Taurine to be much more effective at reducing senescent cells load!

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I agree. I think senomorphics are a far more fruitful direction. I’m not going to say the whole field of senolytics is worthless, but it seems to me a relatively minor tributary in the anti-aging field, where we want to prevent senescence altogether rather than just dealing with the consequences. Senescent cells avoiding cancer strategy is a recognized modality and elimination of such cells needs a lot more research. Wound healing is another pathway and senolytics there might be actively undesirable. Regardless, benefits need to be demonstrated and the available senolytic agents seem subpar and blunt instruments at this point in time - perhaps better can be had in the future. YMMV.

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Michael P Lisanti

Said this (fisetin) was not good as a senolytics several year ago.

I’m not a fan of fisetin (which is a senomorphic btw), but to claim there is no benefit from D&Q or other senolytics is pushing it a bit.
But yea, too many liars in the world, including science, where it’s publish or perish. Maybe in Utopia we can all enjoy pursuits which we enjoy, but we are not there.

So saying Fisetin isn’t a worthy senolytic makes sense to me. But suggesting D+Q or other FOXO4-DRI maybe? idk, there’s a lot of research to be done still, and n=1 experiments included.

Fiestin is not a senolytic. It was incorrectly assumed to be due to a mistake in measuring a similarly named antibody. This effect was confirmed by the ITP.

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If you look closely at the Fisetin data that you’re dismissing, you’ll find conflicting evidence related to varying protocols.

For example, you cite the ITP research, but ITP also did continuous Fisetin at a specific dosage. Critics claim the dosage was both insufficient and should be applied hit-and-run to produce the desired systemic effects.

Alternative, earlier research that produced meaningful results did much larger dosages in a hit-and-run protocol.

Similarly, there’s some excellent research with strong effect sizes using D+Q.

Again, this stuff is nuanced, and you’re painting with a broad brush.

Even your overall position on senolytics doesn’t make sense (to my mind, at least…)

The research shows our senescent cell population is roughly balanced until age 40 at the first aging inflection point. A balanced senescent cell population is the healthy goal, not total eradication.

After age 40, the senscent cell population enters geometric growth curve (not arithmetically, but geometrically - a key point) with aging. Just as with financial geometric growth curves, the early compounding is not that significant. But as we approach 60 the numbers get more dramatic. This geometric growth in senescent cells correlates (correlation, not causation, but there is a clear potential mechanism of action) with a roughly similar pattern in inflammaging.

Inflammaging, in turn, is correlated with a wide variety of aging related health issues, including cardiovascular disease.

There’s clear logic to occasional hit-and-run senolytic treatments to revert the geometric population growth to the level of normal health. You’re not trying to kill all senscent cells. You’re simply trying to offset the geometric growth equation that’s likely related to multiple downstream negative health impacts.

This view I’m sharing is very different from the one you’re advocating. I’m surprised you’re seeing this topic the way you discuss, because you’re view doesn’t even seem connected to any of the relevant research.

I’ve had similar confusion with others who have chimed in against senolytics, but then they are in alignment with taking multiple prescription medications to lower LDL to unnaturally low levels. I get that there’s no research showing there’s no floor to LDL that shows negative health impacts (right now), but we all know that today’s science is tomorrow’s myth. It’s fairly safe to say that there is an issue with artificially low LDL through medication, but we just haven’t figured out what it is.

The inconsistencies in cardiovascular disease research make clear that disease progression is a function of multiple co-morbidities, not just LDL, or any other single factor. It’s a systemic response to reduced endothelial health, poor metabolic health, and (most important for this thread) chronic inflammation.

Having someone get on the low LDL bandwagon with multiple meds, but ignore senescent cells/inflammaging and various ways to preserve endothelial health makes no sense. It’s a system, so taking parts in isolation is oversimplified thinking.

You completely dismiss senolytics, yet I personally went from massive debilitating chronic joint pain to now being a 65 year old pain free distance runner using D+Q once per quarter. Yes, that’s an N=1, but that was the change in my protocol that opened the door. That life-changing difference is the reason I study this stuff.

Similarly, I have run chronically elevated LDL my entire life, and yet my CCTA shows zero soft plaque and a hard plaque score of 9 (and declining with each test, so approaching zero). Related is my hsCRP which doesn’t even register on the measurement scale (likely related to the senolytics treatments), a HOMA-IR of .5-.7 indicating excellent metabolic health, healthy blood pressure, excellent Triglyceride/HDL ratio, and so on.

My point is how I’m surprised that very knowledgeable and vocal members of this community are on the bandwagon of artificially lowering LDL to extreme low levels in the name of cardiovascular health, but then they’re equally dismissive of senolytics when cardiovascular research clearly shows the problem is a function of comorbidities.

I think senolytics deserves a seat at the table and is clearly relevant. Dismissing this topic as “hype” and then reverting your position to “anti-Fisetin” isn’t aligning.

Again, I’m not trying to take you personally to task with this comment. I’m merely using your comment as related to other positions taken in this forum to ask the question of these inconsistent polarizing positions.

I hope that’s helpful.

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All these studies are compromised (maybe). Because researchers used another testing compound for a decade! And have measured another P16!)

Its kinda scandal) And maybe it compromise all senolytic’s theme

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Congratulations on your fisetin experience - I hope I’ve made it clear that I applaud anyone’s experience with any intervention that they feel is helpful to them… I’ve said that in pretty much every post regarding this topic (and other topics too). I don’t necessarily think n=1 or personal testimonials proves anything about MOA or is going to be true for someone else, but who cares - even if it’s a placebo effect, if it works, more power to you and it’s not important what anyone else (including me) thinks about fisetin.

Wrt. the senolytic field and my low enthusiasm for it, I think we are starting to go in circles at this point, so I’m not going to write a novel here. I don’t feel like repeating myself, so in a nutshell, I put greater stock in anti-aging interventions further upstream. Dealing with damage that results from cell aging is like dealing with the consequences of a fire that burns down a building - I’m more enthusiastic about preventing the fire in the first place. Regarding the LDL analogy you brought up - I guess again I see it differently. To me, trying to bring down ApoB/LDL is attempting to go upstream from a state of atherosclerosis before endothelial damage is done and the MACE cascade sets in. In other words, it’s trying to prevent the fire in the building. Now, there is an entirely legitimate discussion to be had about whether extremely low ApoB/LDL is a good target and an even more fraught question as to whether the tools currently employed (LLT - statins etc.) are optimal or even helpful. But it still is an attempt to get ahead of the problem. To me senolytics in your analogy would be like focusing on how to limit damage once atherosclerosis has set in, or heart failure or other downstream consequences. Legitimate insofar as it goes - which is why I never dismissed the field of senolytics entirely - but of less interest to me than trying to get ahead of the issue by addressing upstream factors. I have greater enthusiasm for fixing the issues even further upstream. If there are gene therapies (as we’ve seen with recent trials) which can take the issue of atherosclerosis entirely off the table that’s even better, because that’s moving further upstream from even LLT therapies and you don’t have to deal with side effects of things like statins. Of course as always, we need to validate that this gene therapy is a global good without side effects etc. Anyhow, that’s my explanation of why I (others may have different motivations) am more onboard with LLT compared to senolytics - not only are current LLTs more clinically validated compared to something like fisetin with a much greater knowledge base around the MOA, physiological impact and side effects, but it is more of a preventative upstream intervention (this is also true on a personal level my CAC at 65 was zero, and I’m hoping to keep it that way). Whereas I look at the fisetin literature and don’t know what to do with it - like I said before since cells enter senescence for a variety of reasons, it’s not clear to me how a single senolytic agent addresses all these… even in cases like wound healing (see paper below*), not to mention cancer avoidance. Now somebody says “just take fisetin” or “just take X” - like I wrote before, it strikes me as an exceptionally blunt instrument unlikely to address the complexities of cell senescence. Anyhow it’s not in my personal drug stack, but if it works for someone else, I heartily congratulate them.

Sorry if I’m not addressing the other points you make, but I’m not sensing we’re making progress here if we feel the need to repeat ourselves - perhaps our perspectives are different as a result of a different vantage point.

  • Role of Senescent Cells in Cutaneous Wound Healing
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What is your senolytic protocol?

Senolytics: These compounds kill senescent cells. Rapamycin suppresses senescent cells.
IMO:

At this time we don’t know enough about what cells the senolytics are actually killing. The good and the bad?

Right now, I am satisfied with the suppression of senescent cells.

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Are Senescent Cells Actually Cancer-Protective, and Can Senolytics Increase Cancer Risk?

The claim that “senescent cells protect against cancer, therefore removing them may cause cancer” mixes together several biologically different interventions:

  1. Preventing a damaged cell from entering senescence.
  2. Modifying or suppressing the SASP.
  3. Killing a cell after it has already entered senescence.

These are not equivalent.

What the NAC Lung Study Actually Showed

The often-cited study involved lifelong N-acetylcysteine treatment in aged mice, including JunD-deficient mice with chronic oxidative stress, lung-cell senescence, and emphysema.

NAC reduced:

  • oxidative damage;
  • p16- and p21-positive lung cells;
  • emphysema.

However, lung adenocarcinomas appeared in approximately 10% of aged control mice treated with NAC and 50% of NAC-treated JunD-deficient mice.

The important point is that NAC was not acting as a conventional senolytic. It reduced oxidative stress and weakened the p53/p16-associated senescence response, allowing some damaged cells to continue proliferating instead of entering stable growth arrest.

The likely sequence was therefore:

damaged potentially premalignant cell → senescence program suppressed → continued proliferation → increased tumour risk.

This is fundamentally different from:

damaged cell → stable senescence → selective apoptosis induced by a senolytic.

The NAC study is evidence that preventing damaged cells from entering senescence can be dangerous. It is not direct evidence that clearing already-senescent cells is carcinogenic.

What Is Actually Tumour-Protective About Senescence?

The principal tumour-suppressive mechanism is cell-autonomous.

A cell experiences oncogenic signalling or severe DNA damage and activates pathways such as:

  • p53/p21;
  • p16INK4a/Rb.

Instead of continuing to divide, the affected cell enters a durable cell-cycle arrest.

Oncogenic RAS, for example, induces permanent G1 arrest in primary cells. Senescent cells are commonly found in premalignant lesions but are much less prominent in fully malignant tumours, because malignant progression generally requires bypassing the senescence barrier.

In other words, the main form of “cancer protection” is:

the potentially oncogenic cell itself stops proliferating.

It is not primarily that one senescent cell permanently protects other cells from becoming malignant.

Can a Senescent Cell Stop Other Potentially Oncogenic Cells?

Sometimes, but this is a secondary and highly context-dependent mechanism.

Autocrine reinforcement

Components of the SASP can reinforce the senescent state in the same cell, helping to maintain growth arrest.

Paracrine senescence

SASP factors can induce senescence in neighbouring cells. This may suppress proliferation of nearby damaged or premalignant cells.

However, paracrine senescence is a double-edged process. It can also spread dysfunction into otherwise viable tissue and contribute to age-related accumulation of senescent cells.

Immune surveillance

Premalignant senescent cells can release cytokines and chemokines that recruit immune cells.

A classic liver model showed that oncogene-induced senescent hepatocytes recruited an adaptive immune response and were subsequently cleared. When immune surveillance was impaired, hepatocellular carcinoma development increased.

Thus, the senescent cell can function as a temporary alarm signal:

“I have oncogenic damage. Remove me.”

This supports the model in which senescence should be followed by immune clearance, rather than indefinite persistence.

Is a Senescent Cell Itself a Permanent Cancer Risk?

Not necessarily.

Classical cellular senescence is intended to be a stable growth arrest, not merely temporary quiescence.

Most senescent cells in aged tissue are not necessarily premalignant epithelial cells. They may be:

  • fibroblasts;
  • endothelial cells;
  • macrophages;
  • adipocyte progenitors;
  • hepatic stellate cells;
  • other stromal cells.

Their major danger may be their chronic SASP and its effects on surrounding tissue, rather than transformation of the senescent cell itself.

Nevertheless, senescence is not absolutely irreversible in every context.

Senescence escape has been demonstrated, especially in:

  • therapy-induced senescent cancer cells;
  • cells with defective p53 or p16 pathways;
  • certain oncogene-induced senescence models.

Cells escaping therapy-induced senescence may re-enter the cell cycle with increased plasticity or stem-like properties. Therefore, eliminating such cells after senescence induction is a plausible anti-cancer strategy — the so-called “one-two punch” approach.

The Ideal Sequence

The biologically ideal sequence would be:

  1. Oncogenic or genotoxic damage occurs.
  2. The damaged cell enters stable senescence.
  3. The SASP recruits immune surveillance.
  4. The immune system removes the senescent cell.
  5. Tissue replacement or repair occurs.

Ageing and chronic disease may interfere particularly with step 4. Senescent cells then persist, continue producing SASP factors, and contribute to inflammation, fibrosis, impaired regeneration, and sometimes a tumour-promoting microenvironment.

A truly selective senolytic would theoretically substitute for failed immune clearance.

Therefore, a perfectly selective senolytic administered after stable senescence should generally reduce the risk associated with that particular cell, not increase it.

Why Could Real Senolytics Still Cause Problems?

Current senolytics are not perfectly selective and senescent cells are heterogeneous.

A compound may:

  • kill one senescent cell type but not another;
  • affect non-senescent cells through off-target mechanisms;
  • suppress immune surveillance;
  • alter the tumour microenvironment;
  • remove temporary beneficial senescent cells;
  • modify the SASP without killing the intended target;
  • impair wound healing or tissue repair;
  • affect an existing tumour differently from normal ageing tissue.

The risk is therefore not that successfully killing a premalignant senescent cell somehow turns it into cancer.

The risk is that the intervention may not perform the clean, selective senolysis assumed by the theoretical model.

Useful Senescent Cells

Some senescent cells have temporary physiological functions.

Wound healing

Senescent fibroblasts and endothelial cells appear early after skin injury and secrete PDGF-AA, promoting myofibroblast differentiation and wound closure.

Experimental removal of these cells delayed wound healing, while topical PDGF-AA rescued the defect.

Limitation of fibrosis

Senescence of activated hepatic stellate cells can stop their continued proliferation and extracellular-matrix production, helping to limit liver fibrosis.

Immune recruitment

Early SASP can recruit NK cells, macrophages, and T cells to eliminate damaged or premalignant cells.

Development and tissue remodelling

Programmed senescence also participates in embryonic development and temporary tissue remodelling.

These observations do not imply that chronically accumulated senescent cells should be preserved indefinitely. They show that timing and cell identity matter.

Is the SASP Always Harmful?

No.

The SASP is not a single fixed mixture.

In acute, efficiently resolved senescence, it may:

  • reinforce cell-cycle arrest;
  • recruit immune cells;
  • promote removal of damaged cells;
  • support tissue repair;
  • assist matrix remodelling;
  • limit some forms of fibrosis.

In chronic senescence, it may include persistent production of:

  • IL-6;
  • IL-8;
  • CCL2;
  • TGF-β;
  • matrix metalloproteinases;
  • angiogenic and growth factors.

This chronic SASP can:

  • promote inflammation;
  • induce paracrine senescence;
  • degrade extracellular matrix;
  • suppress regeneration;
  • recruit immunosuppressive myeloid cells;
  • promote invasion, angiogenesis, and growth of nearby premalignant or malignant cells.

Thus, the same broad phenomenon can be anti-tumour in an acute context and pro-tumour when senescent cells persist.

Fisetin

Fisetin is not a universal senolytic.

In early experiments, it showed senolytic activity against some senescent endothelial cells but was considerably less effective against certain senescent fibroblasts and preadipocytes.

Therefore, fisetin could theoretically remove some beneficial temporary senescent endothelial cells, but it will not eliminate every senescent population.

Major uncertainties include:

  • human free-fisetin exposure after oral dosing;
  • tissue penetration;
  • which human cell types are actually cleared;
  • whether high-dose short pulses meaningfully affect wound repair;
  • long-term cancer outcomes in healthy humans.

There is currently no convincing evidence that intermittent fisetin causes cancer. There is also insufficient evidence to declare high-dose preventive senolytic use proven safe.

Dasatinib Plus Quercetin

D+Q also has substantial cell-type specificity.

In early senolytic screening:

  • dasatinib was more effective against certain senescent preadipocytes;
  • quercetin was more effective against some senescent endothelial cells;
  • the combination broadened the range of targeted cells.

However, dasatinib is a multi-kinase inhibitor, not a pure senescence-specific probe. It can affect:

  • immune cells;
  • platelets;
  • endothelium;
  • haematopoiesis;
  • normal and malignant kinase signalling.

D+Q therefore cannot be assumed to act exclusively through senolysis.

The hepatocellular carcinoma study

One experimental HCC study found that D+Q:

  • failed to clear doxorubicin-induced senescent HCC cells;
  • failed to improve the anti-tumour effect of doxorubicin;
  • produced approximately 50% greater average tumour volume than control when administered without chemotherapy.

The authors described this as an acute pro-tumorigenic, not anti-tumour, effect.

This does not prove that D+Q is generally carcinogenic or that it initiates cancer in healthy animals.

It demonstrates that in one model of an already-established tumour, D+Q did not act as the intended senolytic and instead worsened tumour growth, possibly through off-target or tumour-microenvironment effects.

FOXO4-DRI

FOXO4-DRI uses a different mechanism.

In some senescent cells, FOXO4 interacts with p53 and retains it in nuclear structures, helping the cell resist apoptosis.

FOXO4-DRI disrupts this interaction, releases p53, and induces p53-dependent apoptosis preferentially in senescent cells.

In the original mouse study, FOXO4-DRI improved several health measures in aged and progeroid mice.

However:

  • it has not been clinically validated in humans;
  • human pharmacokinetics are unknown;
  • optimal dosing is unknown;
  • tissue and cell-type selectivity are uncertain;
  • long-term cancer outcomes are unknown;
  • online peptide products introduce additional purity and sterility risks.

FOXO4-DRI should not be assumed to kill every senescent cell. It should also not be assumed to distinguish automatically between a chronic pathological senescent cell and a temporary beneficial one if both depend on FOXO4–p53 signalling.

Do We Need Senescent Cells?

We need the senescence response, but we probably do not need chronic accumulation of senescent cells.

Senescence is useful for:

  • stopping potentially malignant proliferation;
  • signalling immune clearance;
  • acute wound healing;
  • some forms of fibrosis limitation;
  • temporary tissue remodelling;
  • embryonic development.

Persistent senescent cells are often harmful when:

  • immune clearance fails;
  • the SASP persists for months or years;
  • neighbouring cells undergo paracrine senescence;
  • regeneration is impaired;
  • inflammation becomes chronic;
  • the tumour microenvironment becomes immunosuppressive or growth-promoting.

The key biological goal is therefore not:

preserve all senescent cells,

and not necessarily:

eliminate every marker-positive cell indiscriminately.

It is:

allow damaged cells to enter senescence, preserve useful short-term functions, and remove the cells once their role is complete.

Practical Implications for Senolytic Experiments

If someone is considering experimental senolytics, the most defensible precautions are:

  • avoid treatment during active wound healing;
  • avoid treatment around surgery, fractures, or major tissue injury;
  • avoid treatment during acute infection;
  • avoid combining several poorly characterised senolytics in the same experiment;
  • do not assume that disappearance of SASP markers proves beneficial selective clearance;
  • remember that p16 positivity alone does not define a harmful cell;
  • recognise that D+Q, fisetin, and FOXO4-DRI may target overlapping but non-identical cell populations;
  • treat FOXO4-DRI as substantially more experimental than D+Q or fisetin.

Bottom Line

The statement that senescent cells are “cancer-protective” is correct mainly because damaged or oncogene-activated cells themselves stop dividing.

Senescent cells can also reinforce arrest in neighbouring cells and recruit immune surveillance, but they are not generally permanent guardians that must remain alive to prevent cancer.

The ideal outcome is:

senescence first, clearance second.

The NAC mouse study warns against suppressing the entry of damaged cells into senescence. It does not show that selective removal of already-senescent cells is inherently carcinogenic.

A truly selective senolytic that completely removes a premalignant senescent cell should eliminate that particular threat.

The remaining concern is whether current compounds actually perform such clean and selective removal — or whether they also affect beneficial senescent cells, immunity, normal tissue, or an existing tumour in unpredictable ways.

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Nice, thanks for this. Not only is it full of information on senolytics, but it also highlights the danger of continuous NAC usage.

On a side note, I am looking at vascular biology, and noticing that sometimes senolytics do play a very important structural role, where in damaged vascular tissue (such as in a dilated aorta), the tissue cannot reproduce healthy cells adequately ~ ie. they are exhausted and depleted.

In this context, clearing out the senescent cells removes structural support that cannot be immediately (or perhaps ever) rebuilt, further weakening the vascular walls leading to a fatality.

You know, I’ve said this before and should remind others about all trans retinoic acid (ATRA), just to spark some interest in this compound. This isn’t just specific for vascular tissue, such as aortic aneurysms, but also for warding and treating cardiac hypertrophy, several cancers, and a plethora of other disorders.

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Tretinoin? Is this for ingested?

yes

for discussion. “just to spark some interest in this compound”. Don’t poison yourself (!) but it is interesting compound for sure. It is generally used for Acute Promyelocytic Leukemia (APL), but that’s at 80mg. I was thinking more like 10mg.

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I see. I wasn’t going to ingest it purely on this discussion as I know it has risks but I have seen interesting data on it in C elegans.

We have plenty of options for MMP inhibition and suppression of TNF and IL-6 without ingesting tretinoin.

which data do you mean?

“Locking the Contratile State” comment (in the picture from my last post), normally VSMCs are pushed out of this phenotype, and I don’t know of many compounds that force it back into contractile state.

Instead of a senolytic compound, it appears to be some sort of reprogrammer which acts as a transcriptional modulator.

ATRA can induce glioblastoma stem-like cells to differentiate, inhibit proliferation, promote apoptosis, and counteract significant resistance mechanisms like O6-methylguanine-DNA methyltransferase expression. Moreover, ATRA influences microRNAs, senescence pathways, and lipid metabolism, effectively reprogramming tumor cells at genetic, epigenetic, and metabolic levels”.

That’s what I’m trying to explain, it’s not just a senomorphic and deserves more attention.

abother paper I’m seeing:
Retinoic acid receptor activation reprograms senescence response and enhances anti-tumor activity of natural killer cells

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ATRA is poisonous. My AI strongly against this product. Only topical use. ATRA is tretinoin as far as I know.

When taken orally, the following may occur:

  • differentiation syndrome, a potentially fatal complication;
  • severe increases in triglycerides and cholesterol;
  • hepatotoxicity;
  • intracranial hypertension;
  • thrombosis;
  • leukocytosis;
  • severe embryotoxicity;
  • drug interactions and hypervitaminosis-A-like effects.

Therefore, ATRA is used orally under medical supervision, with monitoring of blood, liver, and lipid levels.
And another question. VSMCs supports aneurism wall. Senolytics can clear SNCs.

But there are two necessary pieces of evidence missing between these two points:

  • that the remaining VSMCs are predominantly senescent;
  • that senescent VSMCs provide useful mechanical support.

What do studies of senescent VSMC show?
The current picture is rather the opposite. Senescent VSMC often:

  • lose their normal contractile phenotype;
  • reduce the expression of contractile proteins;
  • release IL-6, IL-1β, and other SASP components;
  • increase the production of matrix metalloproteinases;
  • contribute to the destruction of elastin and the extracellular matrix;
  • They stimulate inflammation and pathological remodeling of neighboring cells.

In aneurysm models, senescent VSMCs were found to be associated with increased levels of p16, p21, SA-β-gal, MMP-3, MMP-12, and MMP-14, which are markers that weaken the wall rather than strengthen it. Increased vascular smooth muscle cell senescence in aneurysmal Fibulin-4 mutant mice | npj Aging

Moreover, in animal models:

In other words, the thesis that “senolytics are dangerous for aneurysms because senescent cells hold the aorta” is not supported by these preclinical data.

there is a small rational residue of concern
In a far-reaching human aneurysm, the wall can indeed be:

  • sharply depleted of VSMC;
  • thin;
  • deprived of normal elastin;
  • dependent on scar collagen and a pathologically altered matrix.

Therefore, a drug that nonspecifically causes additional VSMC death can theoretically cause harm. Senolytics also do not have absolute selectivity.

But this is a different formulation:

It is not known how safe systemic senolytic therapy is in an already formed large human aneurysm.

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Increases lifespan.

https://citpaging.org/portal/plot/survival/101660,101620,101650,101590,101600,101610,101630,101640,101670

I think it is possible for an oral retinoid to have immense benefits for people. Perhaps not extend lifespan dramatically but have aesthetic benefits without toxicity and a few other unexpected benefits like you’re mentioning. It would require the right compound and right protocol. Too many risks to randomly consume retinoids, even isotretinoin has too many risks for my liking.

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And I don’t understand why this is not understood :slightly_smiling_face:

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