Rapamycin and risk of cardiovascular disease

I am all pro philosophy but statistics can be used in my opinion as “smoke and mirrors”. That is my personal opinion based on clinical research I was involved with a while ago and when raw data was analyzed the team was directly asked by the data analyst what kind of results do we want and showed us with few clicks on the keyboard how curves can change without any falsifying of data. It is great that you believe in statistics but having an open mind when interests behind some of these studies are measured in billions of yearly revenue must be taken into account. I don’t think that lipid lowering drugs are worthless or even causing harm intentionally, but the proof that you are saying is there I can’t justify with these studies. And you have to trust the ethics of researchers that have interests and biases to begin with. Lipid lowering is great for high risk patients and secondary prevention but as a primary prevention of low risk individuals there are still some open questions that I am concerned with but you seem not and this is just fine. I just believe that your “propaganda” is just that, biased view and don’t get me wrong we are all biased and maybe I am biased towards my mistrust to Pharma industry but truth is not black and white but usually a mosaic of shades of gray.

I also want to point out that my mistrust is sometimes widely exaggerated just to counter sometimes blind belief in certain interventions and sometimes just to open a broader debate on some interventions. I am very curious by nature and having more views sometimes just promotes my own curiosity and research.

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Finally, there is very limited evidence on any potential safety issues of both evolocumab and alirocumab. While the current evidence synthesis does not reveal any adverse signals, neither does it provide evidence against such signals. This suggests careful consideration of alternative lipid lowering treatments before prescribing PCSK9 inhibitors.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011748.pub3/full#CD011748-sec-0067

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I recall a book from my youth…something like, lies, damned lies, and statistics. It’s right to keep an open mind but not so open your brain falls out (to steal another quote).

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Yes, I’m not saying its statistically significant. But it is noteworthy. There is obviously more noise around all cause mortality. But given the high percentage of cvd deaths in a population with pre-existing cvd, and given the size of this study… It’s a shame they terminated it early at 2.2 years, a few months after the all cause mortality signal started emerging. If it had been allowed to run for the full period, it’s likely that the study would have been sufficiently powered for all call cause mortality.

The fact that the research group’s judgement on what constituted a cvd death differed from the local clinicians in 41% of the deaths. And the fact that the reviewing researchers disagreed after reviewing the same clinical data… Makes me highly dubious that we should rely on cvd death classifications.

But my main disinclination to target the ldlc levels suggested by the fourier trial remains that it is inapplicable to me because it recruited only subjects with pre-existing cvd. And having only a 2.2 year follow up, that doesn’t give much comfort as to the long term safety and efficacy of targeting super low ldlc.

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It wouldn’t need to be massively longer or bigger, because the subjects in the fourier trial all had pre-existing cvd. So CvD deaths make up a big proportion of all deaths.
The trial was terminated early on slightly dubious grounds just as the signal was emerging.

For what?

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It’s all very confusing. My cardiologist recommends that I start Repatha, and now I don’t know what to do.

We used to have a book in our works library entitled “How to lie with Statistics"….and this was a major pharmaceutical company !

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I understand your sarcasm, but I’m seeking a real advice or at least a friendly opinion. Repatha does have side effects and some are pretty concerning. And I had some serious allergic reactions on new medications in the past, including two anaphylactic shocks. Repatha also contributes to diabetes development, which I have to avoid due to transplanted kidney.

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Not sure why you’re asking here instead of your cardiologist and transplant doctor.

It’s easier than you may realize to fall for false information nowadays. One cannot be a specialist in all areas and there’s too much information to process every day. Even an AI offers false information :grinning:

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Not sure? I’m seeking many opinions instead of relying just on two. Sounds logical to me. Especially, cardiologists don’t usually collaborate with nephrologists and vice versa. Insurance as you may guess doesn’t provide for such collaboration.

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I don’t think it hurst to have more than one opinion before taking the plunge on a new therapy/drug. I’ve found that in these boars there are e few who are very knowledgeable with regards to certain drugs and conditions. I think she is right to be extra careful.

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If you are adding opinions from people not educated in medicine or research, you are just adding noise. The only few people you might consider on the forum is people like MAC or Olafarpall…
P-value is a very basic error. I learned this 10 years ago.

Every single time my belief in the clinical guidelines strengthen & for mainstream medicine the more I research a problem.

I will delete these posts when forum software allows as I’m tired of discussing the same things over and over with sophists who don’t learn. It’s a bad habit anyway.

Not medical advise, but I can mention that the only prescription based medication that I personally currently am on is Repatha. I have an Lp(a) of 70 (as scale), but otherwise not cardiovascular risks.

If the repatha alone does not get me down enough (I did not when I took half the dose, but am now doing the normal 2 x 140 a month and will see), then I’ll likely add Eze for a combination therapy (did get a prescription from my cardiologist for thar also).

I cannot talk to allergic reaction risks in someone prone to such things.

I partially chose Repatha because I thought it would have less impact on my blood glucose than statins (which so far seems to have been correct with HbA1c’s of 4.8 and 4.9 the last times).

Each of the following have supported PCSK9i as the perhaps best cholesterol option and all three care about longevity: Tom Dayspring, Peter Attia, Peter Diamandis - you could probably google and see what their current thinking is just to make sure it has not changed for some reason (but I have not seen that and so keep an eye out for it).

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Thank you. It’s a great experience sharing. So you don’t see any detrimental effects on your glucose?

Don’t think so. CGM seems similar before and after (I use Dexcom). My HbA1c are mentioned above. My last two fasting glucose levels were 83 and 86. My insulin was lower than ever, but I want to re check that again.

But note that I am generally very metabolically healthy, with a “low glucose / glycemic index” diet and a good exercise routine. So only an N=1 in that context.

(The range below is “normal” is lower than 18.4)

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I thought most of what is found in these forums is a bit controversial. As an example, I am taking acarbose (based on these forums) and doctor said I shouldn’t since I have no need for it. And when I dare mentioned that I am taking RAPA he was petrified. the only way to calm him down was to tell him I was joking but a friend of mine is doing it, not me. So, I’m not sure about your sophists comment.

As far as deleting a post, i have only deleted one post and the reason for that was the info I provided on the post was literally posted three posts earlier and I didn’t see it. So, my friendly advice is, save yourself time and don’t write something you know you’ll be deleting immediately. BTW, I clicked at some of your deleted post and did NOT see any useful information, rather I saw satire, or some form of bullying.
Fine by me, (nothing was even directed at me) but I don’t see how that would be beneficial or adds any value to the conversation on these boards. If anything, it might discourage some “cultured” participants in participating even if they had something valuable to add.

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There’s a difference with what was posted. It is like arguing that 1+1 isn’t 2.
People make mistakes.

As far as deleted posts, I try to keep a nice tone and a sarcastic comment isn’t that.

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