Parkinson's disease

The initial theory about ambroxol (as far as I know) was that it only acted as a chaperone for missing/improperly-folded glucocerebrosidase. Glucocerebrosidase helps to digest particular sugars in the lysosomal membrane when it inverts and forms little vesicles of cellular garbage for digestion. If the vesicles aren’t digested, the lysosomes eventually fill up with their own membrane bits–no room left for anything else. It sure sounds like ambroxol would improve macroautophagy, doesn’t it?

And there seemed to be some evidence that many people with PD have low G-Case levels, whether or not they have a GBA mutation. I’m not sure I would bother if I didn’t, though.

BUT, just recently I read that ambroxol does something else, at the mitochondrial level. I think Simon Stott wrote an article on it in Science of Parkinson’s. I need to dig that paper up. And yes, if it’s a dose thing, I take over a gram a day.

I wish I knew…

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Indeed, thanks for mentioning it, I hadn’t read it: Just a lysosomal enzyme… – The Science of Parkinson's

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New seminal paper reporting immunological shifts during early-stage PD: Immunological shifts during early-stage Parkinson’s disease identified with DNA methylation data on longitudinally collected blood samples 2024

Additionally, we noted previously unrecognized decreases in the naive B cell compartment in the defined PD and Prod patient group. Over time, we observed the proportion of innate immune cells in PD blood increased, but the proportion of adaptive immune cells decreased. We identified decreases in T and B cell subsets associated with REM sleep disturbances and early cognitive decline. […] Neutrophils can increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier (BBB), giving all immune cells increased access to the CNS […] Comparing PD to HC, we found an increase in neutrophils and a decrease in monocytes and eosinophils. In PD patients, there is an increase in neutrophils and monocytes over time, with a consistent trend in the Prod group as well. We observed a slight decrease in monocytes in more symptomatic PD patients. […] We identified a strong decrease in CD4+ memory T cells and naive B cells in clinically defined and prodromal PD. In PD patients, we see a significant decrease in many adaptive immune cell populations over time, including all naive lymphocytes and memory T cells. In the prodromal group, there is a significant decrease in the naïve lymphocytes but not a significant trend in the memory compartments.

How can rapamycin impact the above? I checked a bit on the forum and most users report no changes in blood measures of neutrophils, lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils & basophils. (e.g., Concerns about immune suppression - #9 by RapAdmin ).

However, the most important finding in this paper seems to be the “strong decrease in CD4+ memory T cells and naive B cells” and these are hard to find according to @RapAdmin: Using HBA1C and LDL to Determine Ideal Rapamycin Dosage - #84 by RapAdmin

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Another study found a similar result: Association Between Use of Any of the Drugs Prescribed in Norway and the Subsequent Risk of Parkinson Disease 2023

Of the 10 classes related to a lower risk of PD, there were 2 classes associated with a reduced PD risk of 30% or more, which were other nervous system drugs (N07) and antineoplastic drugs (L01). […] Similarly, the lower previous use of antineoplastic drugs (L01) among PD cases might also be related to a lower risk of smoking-related cancers in this group.

The L01 category features the usual suspects: ATC code L01 - Wikipedia

  • L01BA Folic acid analogues such as methotrexate (currently tested in the ITP)
  • L01EA BCR-ABL tyrosine kinase inhibitors such as dasatinib, nilotinib, and bosutinib
  • L01EG Mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) kinase inhibitors (temsirolimus, everolimus, ridaforolimus, and sirolimus)
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I’ve recently looked in the forum for data re: neutrophils because mine are elevated (not the absolute count but the %). In my case that’s because of a near chronic bladder infection I’ve been dealing with and only recently identified as such (the symptoms were UTI after UTI after UTI which basically means it never went away). In any case I looked specifically for that metric as I’m thinking more in terms of forensic clues for myself.

And rapa users are reporting DECREASED neutrophils while on rapa. This is anecdotal but I did hunt out pretty extensively on the forum and it seemed to be clearly a trend.

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Continuation of lipophilic statins like atorvastatin is associated with decreased risk of Parkinson’s:

Results: Among the 43,810 statin initiators, the incidence rate for PD was 1.68 and 3.52 per 1,000,000 person-days for lipophilic and hydrophilic statins, respectively. Continuation of lipophilic statins was associated with a decreased risk of PD (hazard ratio [HR] 0.42 [95% confidence interval 0.27–0.64]) as compared with statin discontinuation, which was not modified by comorbidities or medications. There was no association between hydrophilic statins and occurrence of PD. Among lipophilic statins, a significant association was observed for simvastatin (HR 0.23 [0.07–0.73]) and atorvastatin (HR 0.33 [0.17–0.65]), especially in female users (HR 0.11 [0.02–0.80] for simvastatin; HR 0.24 [0.09–0.64] for atorvastatin). As for atorvastatin users, the beneficial effect was seen in the elderly subgroup (HR 0.42 [0.21–0.87]). However, long-term use of statins, either lipophilic or hydrophilic, was not significantly associated with PD in a dose/duration-response relation.

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Our study provides evidence that statins, especially atorvastatin, can reduce the risk of PD.

Possible prevention but not treatment?

This study suggests that statin use may have a detrimental effect on baseline nigrostriatal dopamine degeneration and long-term outcomes in patients with Parkinson’s disease.

Yeah, probably doesn’t work for treatment…

Findings In this randomized clinical trial, a double-blind, parallel-group, placebo-controlled futility trial involving 235 participants from 23 sites within the UK, participants in the simvastatin group had an additional deterioration in Movement Disorder Society Unified Parkinson Disease Rating Scale part III scores while not taking medication at 24 months compared with those in the placebo group (−1.52 points).

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Some of the articles you shared are old. As you wrote, statins don’t work as a treatment; they cannot slow down the progression of Parkinson’s even in super early cases of PD who are not yet on med. It actually seems that high LDL is protective against PD (like obesity, diabetes, smoking and drinking coffee…) and that some statins might even be detrimental:

Association between lipid levels and the risk of Parkinson’s disease in individuals with diabetes mellitus: A nationwide population-based cohort study 2023

Effects of statins on dopamine loss and prognosis in Parkinson’s disease 2021

This study suggests that statin use may have a detrimental effect on baseline nigrostriatal dopamine degeneration and long-term outcomes in patients with Parkinson’s disease.

Parkinson’s Disease Progression and Statins: Hydrophobicity Matters 2022

This study suggests that hydrophilic, but not lipophilic, statins may be associated with faster PD progression.

(hydrophilic statins include fluvastatin, rosuvastatin, and pravastatin)

A Comparison Between Early Presentation of Dementia with Lewy Bodies, Alzheimer’s Disease, and Parkinson’s Disease: Evidence from Routine Primary Care and UK Biobank Data 2023

The use of statins was lower in patients who developed PD and higher in patients who developed DLB compared to patients with AD. In patients with PD, the use of statins was associated with the development of dementia in the 5 years following PD diagnosis.

Friends of mine who are Parkinson’s researchers wonder whether the protective effect of statins seen in some older studies might just be linked to an increase in glucose levels and some confounders like diabetes and obesity: Statins use => (associated to or causing) More diabetes => Protection against PD. That’s a pure assumption; they’re crunching massive datasets at the moment to confirm or infirm the hypothesis.

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Statins direct Acetyl-CoA away from creating cholesterol. This provides more Acetyl-CoA for other purposes. Other purposes include acetylation of the histone.

An alternative to inhibiting the creation of cholesterol is to increase the amount of Acetyl-CoA.

Atorvastatin, one of the lipophilic statins, did have a good association, and it has a lower incidence of diabetes compared to rosuvastatin, which is hydrophilic, about half the rate.

A good association wasn’t dependent on LDL lowering but statin use, so it might be pleiotropy driving the association.

If nicotine fails as treatment, it’s not surprising to me that statins do as well. If you believe nicotine works as prevention.

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Smoking prevents PD, not nicotine. Here’s a comprehensive review published 3 days ago in Movement Disorders: Clearing the Smoke: What Protects Smokers from Parkinson’s Disease?

The therapeutic potential of non-nicotine components of smoke is suggested by studies supporting multiple alternative mechanisms ranging from monoamine oxidase inhibitors to gut microbiome disruption to antioxidant response induction by chronic exposure to low levels of carbon monoxide.

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More than 200 years since the publication of James Parkinson’s An Essay on the Shaking Palsy (1817), many uncertainties regarding the progressive neurological disorder now known by his name remain. This issue of The Lancet carries our first-ever Series dedicated to Parkinson’s disease, which includes an exploration of some of the outstanding questions around the epidemiology, causes, and current treatment options for this disabling and currently incurable condition.

Parkinson’s is second only to Alzheimer’s disease in the list of most common neurodegenerative disorders and, with increasing life expectancies and fewer competing causes of death, its prevalence is expected to increase

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00094-1/fulltext

https://www.thelancet.com/series/parkinsons-disease

Thanks for sharing.

The cause of Parkinson’s disease is multifactorial and, although there is consensus among experts that Parkinson’s is an age-related disease, questions regarding the extent to which Parkinson’s can be attributed to external drivers (such as pollutants) do not yet have clear answers.

I agree, and I think that curing Parkinson’s might be the first “easy” step in the long quest to cure ageing…

(Among the authors of the series, there’s Tom Foltynie, who’s behind the trials of exenatide for Parkinson’s btw)

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Good review of diet and supplements for PD: The Role of Diet in Parkinson’s Disease 2024

My tl;dr after skimming through it (let me know if I made a mistake):

  • Mediterranean: good
  • MIND diet: good
  • Vegan: neutral, quality matters (“A recent UK biobank analysis found an association between a healthful plant-based diet and reduced PD risk (HR = 0.78 (95% CI: 0.61–0.99)), whereas an unhealthy plant-based diet was associated with a higher risk to develop PD (HR = 1.38 (95% CI: 1.08-1.74))”)
  • Keto: potential benefits but challenging and safety unclear
  • Dairy: bad? because of pesticides?
  • Alcohol: good? (but there might be confounders)
  • Coffee: good (but why?)
  • Vit D: useless?
  • Vitamin E and omega-3 fatty acids: good?
  • Vitamins B6, B9, and B12: might be good?
  • Vitamin B1: :man_shrugging:
  • Vitamin C: enhances levodopa absorption
  • Citicoline: :man_shrugging:
  • Fiber, prebiotics, and probiotics: might be good? but huge heterogeneity in the bacterial strains, dosages, treatment durations, and methods of administration between included trials
  • Mucuna pruriens: not recommended
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I’m not a doctor and this is in no way constitutes medical advice…but have you considered dapsone, it’s a really old drug discovered in 1908, and over the century has been used for different purposes in humans. The reason I mention it is, that it seems to up-regulates Parkin levels which may be useful in the treatment of Parkinson’s disease.

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Disturbance of protein degradation by the ubiquitin-proteasome system might have a critical role in neurodegeneration. Parkin is a ubiquitin-protein ligase involved in protein degradation as collaborating with the ubiquitinconjugating enzyme UbcH7. PD patients show loss of this ubiquitin-protein ligase activity [66, [67]

Interestingly, long-term treatment with dapsone (2 mg/kg) restores parkin levels through its up-regulation. Furthermore, chronic treatment with dapsone prevents neuronal loss related to normal aging and reduces oxidative stress in mice with MPTP-induced PD [[68]

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https://www.science.org/content/article/twist-fate-what-happens-when-top-parkinson-s-researcher-gets-disease

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This is from May 2023. Indeed, dozens of teams are working on alpha-synuclein assays to detect Parkinson’s (and also Lewy Body Dementia and Multiple System Atrophy) up to 10 years before the current clinical diagnosis. Ideally, you want a blood test. It looks like we’re getting very close to that: Researchers develop a blood test to identify individuals at risk of developing Parkinson’s disease | University of Oxford (Dec 2023)

I assume by 2030 (hopefully way earlier), everyone will get a PD blood test at age 40, then every five years. And if the test is positive, they’ll start taking whatever drug to slow down the progression (e.g., exenatide, empagliflozin, telmisartan, GlyNAC, etc., who knows?).

I mention telmisartan again here because:

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2 posts were split to a new topic: A Blood Test for Alzheimer’s Disease Is Almost Here

Interesting: Rajagopal V. Sekhar, the author of the study that found a 24% lifespan increase in mice (see here for analysis and caveats: Glycine+NAC vs Rapamycin ), published a subsequent paper last year: GlyNAC (Glycine and N-Acetylcysteine) Supplementation in Old Mice Improves Brain Glutathione Deficiency, Oxidative Stress, Glucose Uptake, Mitochondrial Dysfunction, Genomic Damage, Inflammation and Neurotrophic Factors to Reverse Age-Associated Cognitive Decline: Implications for Improving Brain Health in Aging

The PTEN-induced kinase 1 (PINK1) is a mitochondrial-targeted kinase that recruits the E3 ubiquitin ligase Parkin to mitochondria to initiate mitophagy. This study found decreased protein expression of PINK1 suggesting decreased mitophagy in the aging brain. GlyNAC supplementation led to the recovery of PINK1 suggesting improvement in brain mitophagy. Improving mitophagy in the brain would result in optimizing and improving overall brain mitochondrial function, and thereby improve brain health and cognitive function.
GDNF is identified as being important for preserving the health of dopaminergic neurons, with implications for Parkinson’s disease, but there appears to be limited clinical success of exogenously administered GDNF. Another interesting study reported that ischemia-injured neurons were rescued by astrocytic GDNF modulation [112] suggesting a wider role for GDNF in preserving and promoting brain health and recovery. Therefore, it is interesting to find that the aged mice in this study had low expression of GDNF in the brain and that GDNF expression improved to levels seen in young mice after GlyNAC supplementation. This finding indicates restoration of endogenous GDNF in their native environment rather than provision via exogenous administration. While it may be premature to consider the implications of GlyNAC supplementation in Parkinson’s disease based on this study which did not measure GDNF specifically in dopaminergic neurons, the findings of this study nevertheless support the need for future research on the effect of GlyNAC supplementation in dopaminergic neurons and signaling pathways.

The same team tried high-dose GlyNAC on older adults and found improvements in some aging hallmarks that are also Parkinson’s hallmarks: mitochondrial dysfunction, insulin-resistance, cognition, strength, and gait-speed:

They’re also running larger trials of GlyNAC for AD, MCI, and Covid-19 recovery. Wait and see…

So I wonder if there could be benefits of GlyNAC in PD. This Nov 2023 paper notes: Mitochondrial dysfunction in Parkinson’s disease – a key disease hallmark with therapeutic potential

A related approach is to try and boost brain concentrations of glutathione (Table 2). Nigral levels of glutathione are lower in PD patients, possibly because of an increased reliance upon glycolysis for ATP production in PD patients. Elevating glutathione has been proposed and explored in preclinical and clinical trials. However, it is unclear whether this is simply an effect of mitochondrial dysfunction and whether adequate brain concentrations can be achieved with oral dosing. N-Acetyl cysteine (NAC), an approved drug to treat acetaminophen induced liver failure, increases cellular glutathione levels in vivo. Notably, weekly intravenous administration of NAC over 3 months in idiopathic PD patients revealed a significant clinical improvement which was paralleled by increased dopamine transporter binding during ioflupane imaging (DaTSCAN).

Oral glutathione ranked first in the 2023 Mischley survey (if you only include compounds with n > 50). But it seems better to give the body the building blocks of glutathione (glycine and NAC) than glutathione itself.

However, here they conclude: How to Increase Cellular Glutathione 2023

In addition, as a general concept, it also needs to be clarified whether there is sufficient evidence that increasing GSH levels is associated with improved prognosis or protection against disease. Increasing GSH levels is certainly possible, but there is little clinical evidence to support the impressive promises that theory and experimental research have made. In other words, it is not yet fully established whether increasing GSH levels is beneficial, as there are still no solid clinical trials to support this, and there are doubts about the efficacy of treatments in humans. It is not the aim of this review to investigate the reasons for the failures or uncertainties in this area, but we have limited ourselves to assessing which molecules might actually be able to increase GSH levels and by what mechanism, as some are likely to be much more efficient than others.

Would be great for the ITP to test GlyNAC…

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Wow :clap: what a great argument !

I really would love to see that tested in a PD model / human clinical trial :heart:

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I’ve just emailed Pr. Sekhar and asked him about GlyNAC in the ITP and potential PD studies. I’ll keep you posted if he gets back to me…

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