These are the tests he is proposing (male version). Bundle costs over 500 usd. I made a calculation for local hospital, if I would pay it out of pocket the whole bundle would cost around 90-100 eur. This is what I was talking about medicine for profit.
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Medicine in the US is for profit, I do not think it will ever become a non-profit / based on what a person can afford system.
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Even in the not for profit health care system I work for, it’s all about the money.
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Wow, the United States system is so broken. Getting these from any lab here would easily cost $500 or more out of pocket. Even not from this particular service.
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Is the Early program just an educational platform, or is it also a health / longevity tracking program? (i.e. do you enter your data into the program so you can track your results over time?)
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Was just trying to see exactly who the “Peter Attia Medical Group / Early Medical” team consists of. Its not listed on any of his websites, so I went to linked in. It seems he has a pretty good depth of team that is gathering and sorting through longevity information and research; so I think that may make him unique in this market. Its one thing to have a doctor who reads the literature when he has time, its a whole different level to have a team finding and sumarizing the latest research and translating it into clinical recommendations…
Here are the people I could find from a quick search, over 22 employees, which makes it a nice small business:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobckaplan/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eve-henry-581a1951/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-dayspring-md-facp-fnla-3aaa876/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/avinish-reddy-201a2226/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyann-niotis-m-d-879951a8/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathryn-birkenbach-03563315/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/angela-misic-600aaa242/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivy-bloom/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefanie-lang-b097bb159/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/beth-lewis-4550b5246/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hieu-nguyen-3308341/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-hansen-5baa24149/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-lipman-87838423/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/suzanne-soriano-a25083168/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-hultgren-4045673/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickstenson/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-kandler-41b293245/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidworn/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshroache/
It seems peter has a “family office”, so is obviously doing well financially
https://www.linkedin.com/in/laceystenson/
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it is just education, at least at this point
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Thank you for this research. It definitely makes a difference. May be $2500 is well spent then.
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Bob Kaplan’s profile just says “Researcher, writer”. No claim to medical or allied medical training. Can’t access the rest, because I have no linkedin account.
Seems to be a bunch of readers. That should qualify all of us, as well, if we were managed by an MD. So the Peter Attia Medical Group is not all MDs, which was my personal misconception.
As I posted above, he trained five years as a general surgeon, then two years as an oncological surgeon. Then he joined McKinsey consulting. So, that is seven years of practice of surgery. My GP has been practicing internal medicine for more than 33 years. We have a member here who has been practicing internal medicine for more than 40 years. I’d rather consult my GP, or our member here.
What was that old joke again? The internist knows everything, but does nothing. The surgeon does everything, but knows nothing. The pathologist knows everything and does everything, but it is too late.
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“He would also leverage the large network that he had cultivated during this period to found a concierge medical practice that promoted itself as the cutting edge of medical knowledge, as well as launch a podcast that gives guests a platform to promote a dizzying array of trendy but similarly unsupported medical theories.”
I think the article you reference should be required reading to debunk the continued unsupported claims made by Peter Attia and other popular medical gurus.
I think it is important to read the entire article.
Reminding us all to take with a grain of salt anything popular medical gurus are saying.
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Medical gurus I once trusted but now view with deep suspicion:
Dr. David Sinclair
Dr. Greg Stanfield
Dr. Peter Attia
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Did you read his book?
FWIW
He was doing a seven year residency training at John Hopkins., quit{medicine two year before finishing the residency] Went to Palo Alto California, got a job at McKenzie as a consultant {details are in his book] Then left McKenzie and started “Medical 3.0”
No did not read his book. Am not interested. I got my info from wikipedia. Linked in my post above.
An MD whose vids I am listening to:
His material is more on CVD, diabetes, and kidneys. But there is a lot of informative (for me) material in the vids.
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Brad Stanfield maybe?
Also why did you stop trusting him?
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Just put his name or any of the other names I have mentioned into the search at the top of the page. This has been widely discussed on the forum. Make up your own mind.
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Same here. When I first stared to be interested in longevity was, when I lost my kindle and my friend had Sinclair’s book, she finished reading and I read it. Then Peter Attia came to my you tube videos and I watched quite a lot of them and later Brad Stanfield’s videos came to my youtube. My husband MD was allways joking and called both broscientist. The more I read, the more I was not trusting what they were saying or there was enough doubt to look elsewhere. From all three the David Sinclair is the only scientist, the Attia and Stanfield are practicing doctors with limited experience in science other than they read a lot of articles. Attia is a bit more convincing, but Stanfield I noticed is full of bullshit and his opinion changes as much as the YouTube audience and comments. All three primarily take care of their own pockets and became money machines. They all show narcissistic tendencies and are more interested in being stars and admired. I wont go deeper as probably without meeting them in person that would not be ethical but their public personas are not really trustworthy. They sound trustworthy but when you try to get the facts together they don’t add up.
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I like Stanfield, and i think he’s doing the best he knows how to do. Changing opinions based on evidence is a strength, not a weakness. Stubbornly sticking to the same line despite new and contrary evidence would be letting pride and emotions win over rational thinking. And all the ad hominem/personal attacks on Stanfield/Attia (rather than specifically addressing any particular things they’ve said which you may or may not agreee with) is pretty unethical, IMO.
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Yes, although I don’t see Brad Stanfield doing the type of money grab on the scale of the other two.
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Brad Stanfield has finished medical school in 2015, he is currently training to become a General Practitioner so in other words if you are familiar with becoming a medical doctor he is not yet a real practicing doctor! He has just finished his degree probably got his basic license that allows him to practice urgent medicine on his own but nothing else.
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