Exactly, @Tom_Clark
His crisis management team deferred too much to their client who showed how dumb he thinks is audience is. We know how he speaks and that ain’t it…
Wow @RapAdmin, as far as I have seen, that is his first associate/friend to make a statement… and in PR/crisis mgt., the first one to go out on a limb alway gets the most credit… ….the 15th, not so much.
And yeah, @Tom_C, he not only had Kevin Spacey on his pod, he posted a pic of him in his house bragging about their friendship… I think he forgot about his important rule of not publicly sharing anything about the famous
(As you can tell, his BS tweet has me riled up… a sincere tweet showing true remorse not filled with excuses would have landed with me quite differently. I would not kick that person while they were down).
Bari Weiss, who became the TV station’s boss in October, has pushed to increase the outlet’s relevance by hiring 19 popular media personalities as contributors.
The announcement of those new hires was made exactly one week ago, on January 27, and among them was Peter Attia, the founder of wellness app Outlive and an influencer-podcaster with millions of followers online.
Well Beth I tend to give someone the benefit of the doubt before piling on. If Peter really did cheer him on knowing Epstein’s obvious wrongdoings, then yes that is obviously wrong. I just don’t feel comfortable operating under the idea that we know 100% that he did. That’s all I’m saying.
You have to remember in that 2015, Metformin’s hype was through the roof. It looked like the holy grail anti aging drug at the time. It is not hard to believe that he was referring to Metformin when he was hyping up a fresh shipment to someone who seemed to have some interest in longevity (not that it did him any good when he got “suicided”)
OK granted metformin was new and hip/cool at the time. Still no screenshots of the orginating email, i.e. the email that started the whole thread. He says that email had a picture of metformin, why is it not in the released docs? Why did Attia not share a screenshot, and say Look see here? The email exchange could have originated in a different email account then somewhere on the thread it was replied/forwarded to gmail. Its a long email thread and we’re only seeing part of it.
And I just find it hard to believe that multi-millionares (centa-millionares)who jet to the islands to swim with and get massaged by girls in bikinis and hobnob with other rich powerful world leaders would be salivating, hush-hush, oh I got the goods (wink wink nod nod) over metformin.
And Attia is a doctor for the love of God, he can walk into a pharmacy and say I need a kilo of metformin, or pharma sales reps will say metformin? sure how much do you need. It’s a bulk item and has been so for a long time. No abuse potential, not much in the way of side effects, even with the hints of longevity its not suddenly or at the time of the emails under any kind of “scrutiny”.
I’ve got a hypothesis going that a pathological percentage of adult men — to say nothing of the puerile teenagers — get off on what Epstein achieved and secretly wished they had been him. Just managed it a little better so as to not have had it all crashing down in the end. That’s my hypothesis and I’m sticking to it. And I think this forum is a fair representative sample of gen pop.
Prove me wrong, bro.
I don’t think this would have been the case a generation or two ago. There’s such thing as herd immunity for basic decency and the dam has broken. To read the publicly available emails and keep twisting oneself to excuse the bro to me sounds like some sort of vicarious self exculpation. “That could have been me.” Indeed if you can extend understanding and sympathy after reading the emails, you are judging yourself as capable of filling those shoes. So what gets said here about Attia says more about the person doing the talking than about Attia. I already knows what Attia is worth.
Epstein got suicided in the end so he’s more of a failed loser villain. There are other figures in history who got everything they wanted and got away with it like Alexander the Great and Attila the Hun - those are people I admire because they were able to live however they pleased.
Very virile, yes. But I can bet my 401k he’s an incel based on what I’ve picked up from other threads. If you can’t get it in life, getting off vicariously on the exploits of Attila the Hun is always an option. Do read the Decline and Fall for a fine dramatization of his life. Really makes one want to wish to have been him.
I admire people who can live how they please, be it villains or heroes. Epstein was a mere demon amongst demons who couldn’t live outside of his bubble and he got turned on and killed fairly quickly by it.
UNLESS he is still alive. I’m reading there was a 4chan user in 2019 whose identity was just revealed as a prison guard who claims to have witnessed his body being switched out the day before he allegedly commit committed suicide. While this person wouldn’t have any reason to lie, he might have thought he witnessed that, but actually saw something else. I’m not saying that I think he’s alive but it does give some new life into that conspiracy theory.
I don’t believe it’s completely impossible but if Epstein was actually powerful and intelligent enough to pull that off, he wouldn’t have gotten convicted in the first place.
I know you’re not out of the ordinary. I just said you’re among the representative sample, quite ordinary, of the huge percentage of men who wish they’d been Epstein —just not caught or “suicided.” Because THAT’s the only place he went wrong. Had he died of an aneurism while fucking a 12 year old, he’d have been golden. That’s the way to go, like the Hun on his “wedding” night.
You admire people who live as they wish, including Jack the Ripper, presumably, because hey, he never got caught. I’ll draw my own conclusions as to whether you’re living your life as you wish you were, on your own terms, or whether you’re a deeply frustrated person, sexually and otherwise, scared shitless of dying.
There is no evidence that “a pathological percentage of men” admire Epstein. Admiration for Epstein is not reflected in surveys, behavioral data, or cultural patterns. Public opinion polling consistently shows overwhelming condemnation of sexual exploitation, trafficking, and abuse across genders and generations. The idea that most men secretly fantasize about being Epstein is a projection-based hypothesis, not an evidence-based one.
Also, sympathy is not the same as identification.
People extend understanding for many reasons like desire to understand more, interest in due process, skepticism of media narratives, disagreement with the majority opinions, simple curiosity and so on. None of these imply “I would do the same thing.”
People routinely analyze wrongdoing without identifying with the wrongdoer. That’s the entire field of criminology.
If someone says, “I want to understand how this happened,” that is not the same as “I wish I were him.”
Also the idea that “a generation or two ago” had more moral immunity doesn’t match historical reality. Let’s not forget that exploitation by powerful men was more normalized, not less.Victims had fewer protections. Institutions covered up abuse more aggressively. If anything, the “herd immunity” to indecency has increased, not collapsed.
Your hypothesis assumes a single psychological mechanism for millions of men. It scares me.
Human motivations are not monolithic. Men are not a hive mind. And sexual exploitation is not a universal male fantasy.
