Why is the USA bucking this global trend???
Because being white and male is hard in the US. Anything goes wrong, it’s the white privilege, yada yada yada. Welcome to the great USA.
Plus economic pressure. I would bet white male is a large part of that statistic.
Source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-09-26/corporate-america-kept-its-promise-to-hire-more-people-of-color
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/09/employment-black-immigrant-workers-recession/
However, Yan published a report on the sex-related life-span gap in the United States last year, and contrary to global data, the gap appears to be widening within the country. The difference between how long American men and women live went from 4.8 years in 2010 to 5.8 years in 2021
There is nothing mentioned about color or race, it seems there be a male issue more broadly…
Lots of issues I am sure… But part of the issue is that men go to the doctor a lot less frequently than women do… (and I’m very guilty of this myself - I do a lot of testing myself, but don’t put a lot of value in the traditional healthcare system unless I get really sick, which thankfully hasn’t happened much in my life).
Why Don't Men Go to the Doctor as Often as Women? - Tri-City Medical Center.
I suppose the reaction of (American) white men to more social equality with anger and rage (inverted form of this would be self hatred and depression) is also not really helpful for longevity I suppose.
Obesity, alcohol, fentanyl, if I would guess.
Might be because there isn’t universal healthcare either:
Not to be inflammatory, @RapAdmin feel free to delete my post on this one. But this is a perfect example of reverse discrimination. I am a big believer in color blindness, on merits for most jobs. May the best man or woman win while still showing compassion to people in need that is including white males TOO who are being marginalized by social engineering. Another example is just looking at Harvard’s admission rate.
https://x.com/OnlyScottMugno/status/1746538182143819931?s=20
You should not call it discrimination, the right way to address it it is positive action or positive discrimination, in US I believe you call it affirmative action and it’s goal it it is correct the unjust domination and misrepresentation of discriminated social groups.
What you write is completely in line with angry white men that are loosing their privileged position in society. America is becoming even more diverse and much quicker. Almost half of Americans are non white and don’t you think that should be reflected in access to education, jobs and political functions?
Anything else would be continuation of racist privileged policies of white (majority) privileges. And if you call positive (affirmative) action racism you must be racists!
I don’t think this is the place for this discussion, but if we can keep it civil and thoughtful perhaps we can all learn from each other. If not, I will close the thread.
I would argue that the real discrimination is from the 1percent that lock up the legacy admissions. I am travelling right now so can’t look it up easily, but I think if your father went to Harvard you’re about 30 times more likely to be admitted…( And I am a white dude who went to an ivy league school, no legacy connection, and I’m an immigrant).
The situation is similar if you are an athlete (and the sports that the Ivy League heavily favor “white” sports, like crew, lacrosse, hockey, fencing, etc. How many blacks and Spanish Americans grow up doing those sports? These “recruited athletes” are just another type of white privilege that give a selected group better access to the top schools.
For me coming from Europe this seems like an unthinkable concept. But again rooted deeply in racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, anti Catholicism… it just show how discrimination and privileges are deeply rooted in American society.
The Supreme Court has already determined that affirmative action in universities were unconstitutional.
Tell that to the Asian Americans who were discriminated against, and who filed the lawsuit against Harvard.
Sure, you can choose a group of people that will give the answer you want. You think that legacy admissions aren’t “affirmative action” for the rich white families who have taken most of the positions in Ivy League schools for hundreds of years and are doing everything to keep that advantage going?
A new study from Opportunity Insights, drawing on internal admissions assessments at elite private colleges, finds that an applicant from a family in the top one percent of America’s income distribution is 34 percent more likely to win admission than a typical applicant with the same SAT or ACT score. Kids from the top 0.1 percent, meanwhile, were more than twice as likely to get in. As the New York Times illustrates:
Source: NYMagazine - Why Elite Colleges Do Affirmative Action For the Rich
Related:
Do Hispanic, black and Asian men live longer than white men in the US?
And regarding employment, it is my understanding that 90% of immigration to the US is from non-European countries and US birth rates are generally (far) below replacement for all races, so obviously most newly added jobs would go to non-white people. The change in white employment is unusual, though there could be many factors at play here such as older white people leaving the job market in greater numbers than younger white people entering it or more white people starting a company compared to non-white people etc.
I do realize that there is a portion of the far left that genuinely hates white people but they should be concentrated in states like California. Yet its the Republican states which have the lowest lifespans…
My point is that arguing against “race”-based affirmative action in universities is pointless since the Supreme Court has already decided for that case. It’s arguing for something that has already been solved in favor of that position, until another Supreme Court decides differently, I guess.
> Does Diversity Accentuate Meritocracy?
There are those who believe diversity goals accentuate meritocracy. They contend that diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives help to discover talent from minoritized populations that have been historically marginalized, and whose talented members have, accordingly, been ignored in favor of less-talented persons from favored groups. This belief is, frankly, balderdash and the reality is that less-talented groups are obviously favored.
Consider the Black-White admissions gap at Harvard. SFFA v. Harvard revealed a lot of data and it showed conclusively that, under meritocracy based on academic qualifications, Black admissions would decline by nearly three-quarters.
Nope - definitely the white people (like myself) living longer…
As of 2020, Hispanics had a life expectancy at birth of 78.8 years, followed by non-Hispanic Whites at 77.6 years and non-Hispanic blacks at 71.8 Years.[17] In 2021, life expectancy for Native Americans was 65 years. For black Americans, 71; for white Americans, 76; for Hispanic Americans, 78; and 84 for Asian Americans.[
I don’t think anyone “hates” anyone. That is just extreme culture war language that politicians and talking heads on TV promote to get attention and ratings.
At the same time I think that what @Jonas is highlighting is really that the pain of middle class Americans (admittedly mostly white due to historical reasons) is real, and needs to be addressed.
There is no question that for average citizens in the US, life has gotten a lot more difficult in the past 20 to 30 years. I grew up in a small mill town in (outside the US, but a similar western cuture) and have seen up close the devastation that globalization and “de-unionization” has done to smaller unionized factory towns all over the Western world. When I was in high school I would work 12 hours a night every Friday night (night shift) and Saturday night and the pay in 1978 was $11/hour for cleanup work around and in the machines (this was a unionized factory). That $11/hour in 1978 money is about $52/hour in today’s money - for a kid in high school. This pay allowed me to save up for college and move the the USA.
In the USA its easy to be anti-union, especially if you are in upper management or in a professional job (as I have been most of my life); unions slows the rate of progress down in companies, and drive up costs. As I’ve gotten older, I realize now that while the “costs” of unions are real, so are the benefits; with a higher quality of life, better opportunities for social / economic advancement for the children of union workers, etc. I’ve learned to see both sides of the issue more now.
Today the hourly pay is a fraction of what people in union jobs used to get… minimum wage in the USA is around $10/hour, so people are getting paid about 20% what they used to get paid when I was a kid. How can people survive? How can kids save for college now in the US? The US given is becoming less and less an place of opportunity. And I don’t necessarily see this as a race issue (though since the USA has traditionally been the greatest percent of the population, the are likely the most impacted by this trend). All the middle-class (and lower) is suffering in the US, whatever your race or color.
Philosophically, I’m a “Utilitarian”, I think government and business should be run to provide the most benefit for the most number of people.
Today’s government is run by the few, optimizing the benefits for the few. And I see this problem with all the political parties in the US, both sides leverage a system where companies and wealthy donors pay the lobbyists (which are not legal in most western countries because its just “legalized” corruption), who then pay the politicians, which the politicians use to stay in power and convince people they are doing something for them, when really they are just helping themselves and their donors.
The most competent, elite human capital, probably want to work in diverse organizations. Else your company is just Russia, who everybody wants to flee from. It makes sense to go for diversity - of opinion, class, ethnicity, life experiences, etc.
You use this term, that I’ve never heard of. What do you mean by this term?
It’s basically the top percentiles of human capital, think of the top scientists, innovators, etc, the highly educated. If you aren’t able to attract people with high human capital you can’t build anything as you don’t have the knowledge or skills to do so. Russia has a massive brain drain. In fact almost everyone goes to America.
What you need are highly skilled, educated people.