Trigonelline Increases NAD, Improves Muscle Function, And Extends Lifespan

I saw one estimate that a serving of prepared coffee contains about 5mg, but likely that varies by brewing method.

I drink lots of arabica coffee, I’ll have to estimate its trigonelline content. Lightly roasted specialty coffee should be the best (almost invariably arabica, hi altitude, less caffeine, more chlorogenic acid and trigonelline). According the data below one espresso may easily reach 70 mg of it, Arabica high-altitude has about 30 mg/cup of caffeine on average, so there is no problem in reaching 350 mg of trigonelline.BUT, there is always decaff, if the procedure conservers trigonelline, then we may ingest a virtually unlimited amount. without jeopardizing sleep.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/370031941_Risk_Assessment_of_Trigonelline_in_Coffee_and_Coffee_By-Products

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When a young man I liked to experiment and I tried fenugreek, it’s undeniably one of the most disgusting things I did and congratulations on the stoicism of those who are able to keep such a drink in their stomach, it will do its best not to keep the fenugreek inside…

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I have checked the conversion, you were correct in the multiplication but apparently forgot about dividing by 12.3.

The result for a 70 kg man should be about 285 mg/d trigonelline, possibly available in 4 espresso cups of arabica coffee.

This is the FDA conversion table usually adopted.

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Thank goodness - I can enjoy 4 espresso cups of arabica coffee (if slightly twitchy by the fourth cup :joy:)

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Too bad, so sad

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814623021611

TL;DR various decaffeination procedures decrease or, depending on the procedure, entirely eliminate trigonelline from coffee.

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Medaura, it might have been worse I believe. It is not clear if green decaff has 25% or 75% (25% lower) the trigonelline of regular coffee. During roasting trigonelline is lost anyway and we don’t know if lower concentrations have equal or minor loss.
All in all, even in the worst scenario, I would behappy with 1/4 the amount in decaff, since we can drink of it ad libitum. Sometimes I drink 10 decaffs, done with my home automatic espresso machine. That would be equal to 2.5 regular cups.

Analysis of the decaffeination-induced changes in nonvolatile compounds revealed that decaffeinated green coffee beans had significantly lower concentrations of trigonelline (25%)

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That was just one source I cited. Others say that certain common procedures of decaffeination entirely remove the trigonelline (e.g., chemical solvents) so ad libitum consumption by times zero trigonelline concentration equals zero trigonelline. I think dry roasting fenugreek seeds then grinding them into powder to add to soups is the way to go. Fenugreek seeds can also be sprouted.

It would be useful to know all the details of chemical trigonelline removal since AFAIK there are several industrial decaffeination processes. At least two, the so-called swisswater, and supercritical CO2 use no solvent. Usually, the producer declares the specific process used, commonly ethyl acetate or Swisswater, so choosing the latter we may hypothetically enjoy the trigonelline.

Re. fenugreek seeds, that’s of course the direct nonsense way, I used to sprout them and remember the taste was spicy and good. I don’t know about soups, it may require some stoicism.
An alternative would be to fill large dimension capsules with the powder.

Technically what requires stoicism would be accepting our inevitable demise with magnanimous indifference instead of going to fenugreek-seed-grinding lengths in the dubious hope of staving it off, but I digress. :wink:

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Conquer Aging Or Die Trying!

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You do! But at least @A_User found it inspirational. And I found his clip inspirational…chain reaction.

But in terms of trigonelline and NAD. Keep in mind that for Michael Lustgarten @ConquerAging trigonelline didn’t increase NAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jt4CcT_pRU

Also trigonelline is newly listed on Amazon as a powder, also capsules from RBS (that Lustgarten used).

https://www.amazon.com/Trigonelline-535-83-1-Purity-Reference-Substance/dp/B0BQVS8WB8

It was likely a dose insufficiency issue on his end, underscoring how these mouse-to-human dose translation charts are very rough rules of thumb. But it’s nice to see it on Amazon — albeit from a Chinese manufacturer but then again, that’s who’s probably sourcing the ingredients behind most trusted supplement brands.

Oh and as a snack today I soaked a cup or two of fenugreek seeds in water and drained it a few hours later, drinking the “tea.” It tasted like nothing except the last gulp, which has a bitterness to the aftertaste consistent with the alkaloid contents of the seed (including its trigonelline). The seeds themselves I roasted slowly on low heat with olive oil and some spices. Garnished with fresh onion and tomato they were pretty appetizing — no stoicism required if you don’t mind a tiny bit of bitterness.

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Great recipe, it’s good to take advantage of functional foods in such a way, the only drawback being perhaps the time required.

It really took almost no time at all. I asked ChatGPT for ways to prepare fenugreek seeds so as to maximize trigonelline retention. Oh and it seems that whatever trigonelline in coffee, whether it made it past the decaffeinating process or not, gets converted into niacin from roasting. So the minimally processed fenugreek seeds look like the way to go, short of Chinese vendors on Amazon. That’s an interesting development by the way, these raw powders on Amazon from Chinese suppliers. They’ll soon be competing with the supplement brands who are the usual middlemen capturing the greatest margins, unless they’re booted off the platform somehow.

Edit: I just saw the price—$60 for 20 mg? Pfff. Sticking to fenugreek seeds.

I checked my local Amazon store, and either the powder or the whole seeds vary widely in price and can cost as little as 17 Euros /kg, which is pretty inexpensive.

It takes about a cup or two of fenugreek seeds properly cooked to yield 200-1200mg of trigonelline as per gpt, depending on local variability, so I think the powder is useless as can’t be consumed at sufficient scale. I take it still as it allegedly supports milk production, but for trigonelline? Fuhgeddaboudit — seeds all the way.

Trigonelline Hydrochloride supplement

Neurogan also has one in tablet form.

Related thread: Trigonelline increases NAD+ levels, improves muscle function during ageing (NUS)

The following table identifies the lowest-cost sources for standardized or purified Trigonelline capsules available for shipping to the USA, updated to include Mortalis Labs.

Analysis of Results:

  • New Top Contender: Mortalis Labs has taken the #1 spot (by a fraction of a cent) and offers excellent value. It provides a higher potency per capsule (300mg) compared to the runner-up, Codeage (250mg), and has a lower upfront bottle price ($39.99 vs $49.99).
  • Best Value Tier: Both Mortalis Labs and Codeage represent the “Gold Standard” tier, offering pure Trigonelline for ~$0.22 per 100mg. This is ~90% cheaper per active milligram than buying standard Fenugreek seed extracts.
  • Shipping Consideration: While Mortalis Labs is technically cheaper per mg, **Codeage (via Target/Nordstrom)**includes free shipping. Mortalis Labs typically charges for shipping on single bottles (under ~$50), which may make Codeage the lower “out-the-door” price for a single unit purchase.

Top Sources for Trigonelline (Sorted by Lowest Cost Per 100mg)

Rank Product Name Vendor Total Weight (Capsules) Total Price (USD) Cost Per 100mg Active Trigonelline Capsules to get 100mg
1 Trigonelline Supplement 300mg Mortalis Labs 60 Caps (18,000mg Total Active) $39.99 $0.22 *($39.99 / 180)_ 1 (1 cap = 300mg)
2 Liposomal Trigonelline 250mg Target / Codeage 90 Caps (22,500mg Total Active) $49.99 $0.22 _($49.99 / 225)* 1 (1 cap = 250mg)
3 Liposomal Trigonelline 250mg Nordstrom 90 Caps (22,500mg Total Active) $49.99 $0.22 *($49.99 / 225)_ 1 (1 cap = 250mg)
4 Trigonelline (Methylated Niacin) 250mg Renue By Science 90 Caps (22,500mg Total Active) $51.95 $0.23 _($51.95 / 225)* 1 (1 cap = 250mg)
5 Fenugreek Seed + 3% Trigonelline eBay (Neurogan) 60 Caps (900mg Total Active)* $17.99 $2.00 *($17.99 / 9)_ 7 (7 x 15mg = 105mg)
6 Fenugreek Seed + 3% Trigonelline Neurogan Health 60 Caps (900mg Total Active)* $22.99 $2.55 _($22.99 / 9)* 7 (7 x 15mg = 105mg)
7 Fenugreek Extract (3% Trigonelline) Nootropics Depot 60 Caps (900mg Total Active)* $24.99 $2.78 *($24.99 / 9)_ 7 (7 x 15mg = 105mg)
8 Fenugreek Extract (Standardized) Swanson 60 Caps (~600mg Total Active)** $19.50 ~$3.25 *(Est. based on 2-3%)_ ~7

** Note on Standardized Extracts: “Total Active” for fenugreek extracts is calculated as: Capsule Size (500mg) × Standardization % (3%) = 15mg actual Trigonelline per capsule.* *** Note on Swanson: Estimated based on industry standard 2-3% for “standardized fenugreek” when not explicitly listed.*

Shipping Summary

  • Target: Free shipping on orders over $35 (Rank #2 qualifies).
  • Nordstrom: Free standard shipping on all orders.
  • Renue By Science: Free shipping on US orders over $50.
  • Mortalis Labs: Shipping is calculated at checkout (typically ~$5-8 for orders under $50).
  • Neurogan / Nootropics Depot: Shipping typically calculated at checkout; often free over $50.

A summary and analysis of the initial paper that started this thread:

Open Access Paper: Trigonelline is an NAD+ precursor that improves muscle function during ageing and is reduced in human sarcopenia

The “Orphan” NAD+ Booster: Coffee Compound Trigonelline Restores Muscle Mitochondria via a Forgotten Pathway

In a significant metabolic breakthrough, a multi-institutional team led by Nestlé Research and the National University of Singapore has identified trigonelline—a natural alkaloid found abundantly in coffee beans and fenugreek—as a potent, novel NAD+ precursor. While the “NAD+ Gold Rush” has focused heavily on Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) and NMN, this study reveals that trigonelline operates through a distinct biological “side door”—the Preiss-Handler pathway—to restore cellular energy in aging muscle.

The researchers discovered that circulating levels of trigonelline are significantly depleted in humans with sarcopenia(age-related muscle wasting), correlating directly with reduced grip strength and mitochondrial decline. In pre-clinical trials, supplementing with trigonelline did not just boost NAD+ levels; it extended lifespan in C. elegans by ~20% and, crucially, protected aged mice from muscle fatigue and mitochondrial collapse. Unlike Niacin (Vitamin B3), which shares a similar pathway, trigonelline does not trigger the uncomfortable “flushing” side effect, positioning it as a highly translational candidate for geriatric frailty.

Impact Evaluation:

  • Journal: Nature Metabolism
  • Impact Factor: ~18.1–20.8 (2024)
  • Assessment: This is an Elite impact journal, publishing high-significance metabolic research comparable to Cell Metabolism. The rigorous cross-species validation (Human/Mouse/Worm/Cell) lends this paper high credibility.

Part 2: The Biohacker Analysis

Study Design Specifications

  • Type: Multi-modal (Human Cohort Observation + In Vivo Murine/Nematode Intervention + In Vitro Mechanistic).
  • Subjects:
    • Humans: 40 participants (20 Sarcopenic vs. 20 Healthy Controls, matched for age/gender).
    • Mice: Male C57BL/6J, Aged (20 months old). N=13–15 per group.
    • Worms: C. elegans (N2 wild-type).
  • Intervention:
    • Mice: 12 weeks of dietary supplementation at 300 mg/kg/day.
    • Cells: Primary human myotubes (healthy & sarcopenic donors).

Lifespan & Healthspan Data

  • Worms (C. elegans):
    • Median Lifespan Extension: +21.4% (Trigonelline treated vs. Control).
    • Significance: High (P<0.001).
  • Mice (C57BL/6J):
    • Lifespan: Data Absent. The study was a healthspan intervention (12 weeks), not a longevity survival study.
    • Context: Standard C57BL/6J median lifespan is ~850–900 days. These mice were treated from ~600 days to ~700 days.
    • Healthspan Findings: Significant improvement in grip strength and muscle fatigue resistance (approx. 50% protection against age-related decline). No change in muscle mass, only muscle function (quality over quantity).

Mechanistic Deep Dive

The study rewrites the map of NAD+ biology by characterizing trigonelline as a Preiss-Handler pathway agonist.

  1. The “Demethylation” Step: Trigonelline is chemically N-methylnicotinate. To enter the NAD+ cycle, it must first be demethylated to Nicotinic Acid (NA). The enzyme responsible is currently unknown (an “orphan” enzyme), but the study confirms this conversion happens rapidly in the liver.
  2. Pathway Entry: Once converted to NA, it utilizes the enzyme NAPRT to generate NAD+, bypassing the NAMPTenzyme (the bottleneck for Nicotinamide/NAM) and the NRK pathway (used by NR/NMN).
  3. Mitochondrial Respiration: Trigonelline treatment specifically upregulated Complex I and II activity in aged muscle, restoring mitochondrial membrane potential (ΔΨm).
  4. No Flushing: Unlike NA (Niacin), Trigonelline does not activate the GPR109A receptor, meaning it boosts NAD+ without the cutaneous vasodilation (flushing) associated with high-dose Niacin.

Novelty

  • First demonstration of trigonelline as a direct NAD+ precursor in mammals using isotope tracing (13C-labeling).
  • Identifies low serum trigonelline as a specific blood biomarker for sarcopenia.
  • Establishes a therapeutic avenue for NAD+ restoration that works even when the NAMPT salvage pathway is compromised (common in inflamed/aged tissue).

Critical Limitations

  • No Mouse Lifespan: We do not know if the functional muscle improvements translate to overall extended life in mammals.
  • The “Orphan” Enzyme: The specific demethylase enzyme required to activate trigonelline is unidentified. If human expression of this enzyme varies (genetic polymorphisms), “responder” vs. “non-responder” rates could be high.
  • Sex Bias: The human cohort and mouse study used only males. Given known sexual dimorphism in NAD+ metabolism and sarcopenia, this is a major gap.
  • Effect Size: While statistically significant, the functional muscle recovery in mice was partial, not complete restoration to youthful levels.

Part 3: Claims & Evidence Hierarchy

Claim Verification Status Evidence Level Notes
“Trigonelline boosts NAD+ levels in human muscle.” Verified Level D (Ex Vivo) Demonstrated in primary human myotubes (ex vivo), not yet in live human muscle biopsies via RCT.
“Trigonelline is reduced in human sarcopenia.” Verified Level C(Observational) Strong correlation (r=0.52) in human cohorts. Does not prove causality (could be reverse causality due to diet/frailty).
“Trigonelline improves muscle strength and fatigue resistance.” Verified Level D(Murine) Robust data in aged C57BL/6J mice. Translational Gap: Human RCT data absent.
“Trigonelline extends lifespan.” Verified (Worms only) Level D (Pre-clinical) ~20% extension in C. elegans. Translational Gap: No mammalian lifespan data exists.
“Trigonelline does not cause flushing.” Verified Level D (In Vitro) Confirmed lack of GPR109A receptor activation in cell assays.

Part 4: Actionable Intelligence

The Translational Protocol (Rigorous Extrapolation)

  • Compound: Trigonelline (often sourced from Fenugreek extract or standardized Coffea arabica extract).
  • Human Equivalent Dose (HED):
    • Mouse Dose: 300 mg/kg/day.
    • Conversion: 300×(3/37)≈24.3 mg/kg.
    • For 70 kg Human:1,700 mg (1.7 g) per day.
    • Note: This is a pharmacological dose, significantly higher than dietary intake (coffee contains ~40–60 mg per cup). Drinking 40 cups of coffee is not a viable protocol.
  • Proposed Protocol: 850 mg taken twice daily (AM/PM) to match the chronic exposure model.

Pharmacokinetics & Biomarkers

  • Bioavailability: High oral bioavailability; rapidly appears in plasma/urine.
  • Half-life: Short (~5 hours in plasma). Requires split dosing.
  • Target Engagement Markers:
    • Primary: RBC NAD+ levels (measurable via specialized functional medicine panels).
    • Secondary: Grip strength (dynamometer tracking) and gait speed.
    • Safety: Monitor Homocysteine (due to methyl-group metabolism) and Liver enzymes (ALT/AST).

Safety & Toxicity Check

  • NOAEL (Rat): 500–1000 mg/kg/day (Safety margin is adequate for a 24 mg/kg human dose).
  • LD50: >2000–5000 mg/kg (Low acute toxicity).
  • Contraindications:
    • Methylation Issues: Trigonelline is a methylated compound. Its metabolism releases methyl groups (via unknown demethylase) or consumes them? Correction: It is a methyl donor candidate, but in this pathway, it is demethylated to form Nicotinate. The fate of the methyl group is crucial. If it enters the one-carbon cycle, it might affect methylation status.
    • Hypoglycemia: Fenugreek (rich in trigonelline) is traditionally used to lower blood sugar. Users on Metformin or Insulin should monitor glucose closely.

Sourcing & Feasibility

  • Commercial Availability: Available as “Fenugreek Extract” standardized for Trigonelline (usually 10–20% concentration).
    • Calculation: To get 1.7g Trigonelline from a 20% extract, one would need 8.5g of extract daily. This is high volume but feasible.
  • Cost: Low/Moderate compared to NR/NMN.

Part 5: The Strategic FAQ

1. Is this better than taking NMN or NR? Answer: It is likely complementary, not necessarily “better.” NMN/NR use the salvage pathway (NRK/NAMPT). Trigonelline uses the Preiss-Handler pathway (NAPRT). In aged tissues where NAMPT is downregulated (inflammaging), Trigonelline might offer a “bypass” route that NR/NMN cannot access effectively.

2. Why not just take Niacin (Vitamin B3)? It uses the same pathway. Answer: Flushing. To achieve the NAD+ boost seen in this study, you would likely need gram-level doses of Niacin, which causes severe cutaneous flushing (GPR109A activation). Trigonelline provides the pathway benefits of Niacin without the flush.

3. Can I just drink more coffee? Answer: No. A strong cup of coffee contains ~50 mg of trigonelline. The human equivalent dose for muscle preservation derived from this study is ~1,700 mg. You would need to drink ~34 cups of coffee daily, which would be toxic due to caffeine.

4. Does Trigonelline interact with Rapamycin? Answer: No negative interactions are documented. In fact, they may be synergistic. Rapamycin inhibits mTOR (mimicking calorie restriction), while Trigonelline restores mitochondrial NAD+ (mimicking exercise/energy abundance). This covers two distinct “Hallmarks of Aging.”

5. Is there a risk of “methyl trap” or homocysteine issues? Answer: [Confidence: Medium] Theoretically, yes. Trigonelline is N-methylnicotinate. To become NAD+, it must lose that methyl group. If that methyl group is dumped indiscriminately, it could hypothetically affect the methylation cycle. Monitoring homocysteine is prudent until human safety data at 1.7g/day is established.

6. Will this break my fast? Answer: Pure trigonelline is a non-caloric alkaloid and should not spike insulin or mTOR. However, if sourced from fenugreek seeds, the accompanying fibers and amino acids (4-hydroxyisoleucine) might have a small metabolic impact.

7. Does it affect blood sugar? Answer: Yes. Trigonelline has established hypoglycemic (glucose-lowering) properties. Longevity enthusiasts already on acarbose, SGLT2 inhibitors, or metformin should watch for hypoglycemia.

8. Is the “unknown demethylase” a problem? Answer: It is a translational risk. If you genetically lack this enzyme (polymorphisms), you might just excrete the trigonelline unchanged in urine (expensive pee) without getting the NAD+ boost. We currently have no test for this enzyme’s activity in humans.

9. How does it compare to 17-alpha estradiol for muscle? Answer: 17-alpha estradiol is far more potent for male mouse lifespan and muscle preservation but is a synthetic drug intervention. Trigonelline is a dietary nutrient. 17-alpha estradiol is a “sledgehammer”; Trigonelline is a “tune-up.”

10. What is the next immediate step for a biohacker? Answer: If you are dealing with sarcopenia or statin-induced myopathy, consider adding a standardized Fenugreek extract (titrated to ~500mg Trigonelline) to your stack. Monitor functionality (grip strength) and glucose levels.