The mTOR rebound effect has been kind to my skin?

[Beth]

Warning, once you go AS (Asian spf curious, ha!) you won’t go back!!! You will like it enough to wear daily… I promise you.

Note: they now make 2 options. I use the original, but last year they introduced the aqua version. That one is ideal of you like less moisture. They are very very similar to each other and I could use aqua if I wanted to. My husband who hates all spf said the aqua is the best I’ve forced him to try… btw, I’ve also smuggled in Australia’s Ultra Violette. While my eyes do tolerate it, and it’s good, I still prefer zinc to that stuff…

I’ve never used USA chemical spf because they bother my eyes. Until a couple years ago, I had no desire to use chemical spf because I thought zinc was as effective, but apparently it’s not. Until then, and until I learned spf 30 was not enough, I blissfully only used josh rosebrook tinted spf 30 which was the perfect moisturizer, makeup, and zinc spf combo for me.

The only stick I like is Bloomeffects spf 50. It’s clear and goes on gorgeously and not thick like most sticks… and you pay for the privilege :). I mostly use it if I’m out for a hike to top off. It’s nice enough to use on my face daily, but I would just rather use a tinted zinc lotion that is easier to apply and is one and done. Nothing like concealer. I also have their ever-so-slightly tinted spf 50 in a bottle. I’d really only use that if zinc blocked all the waves like the chemical spfs do.

I could definitely have you try a bunch of USA zinc lotions that are not thick and gross like your stick… and for chemical, there are some out there that are supposedly well loved too (Trader Joe’s and supergoop), but with BOJ, there is just no need to go down that road… for that $15, you most likely won’t even need moisturizer… so it’s 2 in 1 and therefore really not pricey… and cheaper than the LDM that you won’t need if you wear daily spf

Let me know what you think!

[LaraPo]

She started using it just recently. Her patients like it. I personally would like to wait more for more obvious results. Did you start using yours?

[medaura]

@Beth

and cheaper than the LDM that you won’t need if you wear daily spf

Haha well that ship has sailed as I already ordered it. It’s funny how I can splurge on devices but be a super cheap ass on topicals. That’s mostly because I view the latter as money lit on and never have any cosmetics save gold bond, cerave, or Eucerin moisturizers and now $2 tubes of tret from India. I don’t even wash my face most days and prefer makeup removal wipes. But the right sunscreen that I’ll keep wearing is worth it. Can’t stand the chemical ones either. They burn at the eye and I’m not sure they’re even protecting as they should. So I’ll order your fancy witchcraft in a fancy bottle and let you know .

[medaura]

Nope won’t get to me for another month as I wanted to save on shipping. The thing about it is it should ideally be used twice a week so clients better be loving it to keep going to the salon. But if you own it it becomes easier. I actually really enjoy using my devices. I don’t love the time commitment or my husband’s side eye when he’d rather we watch some Netflix but the process itself I really enjoy. It kind of excites me. So I do use them — so long as they’re effective— and don’t mind something great for my skin needing to be done 2x a week. It’s the opposite with exercise. Lucky those who actually enjoy the process!

[Beth]

I 100% respect selective splurging … it’s a smart financial plan!!!

Instead of wipes, might I suggest something like these…
They feel wonderful on the skin, they are the perfect size for one use, and you don’t technically even need cleanser (I use cleanser)

(Some colors on sale for $15)

[medaura]

Ooooh! I might just try those but my Burt’s Bees wipes will probably be the mainstay in my house as I get my daughters to use them too (in default of washing their dirty faces).

[Phillipe]

Strange but none of the products listed under the Stylevana website as Beauty of Joseon products are on Beauty of Joseon Sunscreens.

[Beth]

@Phillipe just seeing this.

That is because that is the link for the US website of BOJ where they released new spfs that are compliant with FDA approved ingredients.

From Stylevana, you can get the non US version… aka, the good stuff…

[medaura]

The stuff finally came. It’s awesome! It does go on like a smooth glowy moisturizer. The only thing I don’t get is how much to use. I put in quite a bit and made my face a bit too shiny / dewy when I prefer a matte finish but I wonder if that just means I overapplied. Also seemed to tone down with time, the “dewiness,” that is.

[Beth]

@medaura

It’s awesome!

YAY! Next time you order, if you didn’t, try the other/newer version called Aqua… that is a little less moisturizing, so perhaps it will give you the finish you are going for?

[medaura]

Will try next! I’ve got enough to last me a long time for now and I’m definitely not complaining

[LaraPo]

Offered from Stylevana a month ago, haven’t received it yet and according to a tracking they sent they are still packing it… won’t use them ever again.

[medaura]

@LaraPo The checkout process was pretty glitchy and I don’t think I ever received a tracking number. But in about 2-3 weeks I got the goods and the sunscreen IS amazing. I think the best way to go is finding someone local to ship you some in bulk. But it’s the only sunscreen I’ve tried so far that I can easily commit to and wear daily. Without that the whole tretinoin path probably does more harm than good.

Speaking of… I did order and receive the facial tape but haven’t used it yet because I can’t figure out how to make my routine work. It says to use it on completely dry skin with no product on it to ensure good adhesion. But nighttime is when I layer on my tretinoin and moisturizer. Any tips?

p.s. also ordered Cytocare and waiting for it to arrive. Will try the mesogun for injection but with a view to graduating to meso needles once I’m a bit more comfortable with the process.

[Beth]

I’ve only had quick turnaround with them, but yeah, as @medaura said, it does take a while for many people… I’ve only heard delayed vs not showing up. Until recently, iHerb sold it but now they only have the made for the US version which is a bummer.

If it doesn’t come soon, don’t forget you can have your credit card charge it back. You have 60 days for that.

[LaraPo]

Re the tape. Skin doesn’t have to be completely dry. I don’t use moisturizer at night, no do I use any facial cream at night before I apply tape. Instead I apply serum, wait 10 min, then apply tape.

[medaura]

I don’t HAVE to use moisturizer but I do have to use tretinoin because it’s working wonders and I’ll never go without. I’m still at the stage where I need to buffer it a bit with moisturizer though otherwise I’ll peel like a snake so one has to go with the other — for now. I’ll maybe look into applying tret + moisturizer earlier in the PM and then washing my face off right before bed, before taping, if the timing works.

[LaraPo]

I somehow don’t have a good feeling about using tretinoin before taping. I think it’ll increase peeling. Just my guess. I don’t use tretinoin so I don’t know for sure.

[medaura]

Ok my haul finally made it from China. Let the fun begin!

[medaura]

Well… that didn’t turn out to be much fun, I regret to own up. One of the products I got is Hyaron:

Hyaron 10x2.5ml - FYAB.

I had bought it as something to play around with to perfect my injection technique / procedure before moving on to the really good stuff since it had the lowest retail value of all the other mesotherapy products. After much research I injected it with the ez meso gun and when I noticed the little bumps under my skin, I figured that’s great as it means the product has made it where it needs to be and will get absorbed soon. Well… that’s not how it panned out. This was a LIGHTLY cross linked HA product, meaning it had a bit of slip / viscosity. And yes it’s meant to be injected superficially as mesotherapy but if you read the fine print — not literally, by that I mean if you research some MORE on YT beyond the first obvious results — it turns out that it can also act as a light, fluid filler when injected deep in the skin. And this became a problem as the meso gun injects directly into the skin at a straight angle, not at roughly 15 degrees as one would with a single needle, and as I was too chicken to try though I should have. So the bumps persisted and I’ve only slowly been able to smooth them out after throwing my kitchen sink of devices at my face: TECAR, local dynamic micromassage, radiofrequency, even friggin’ shockwave therapy! Yes, shockwave, on my CHEEKS! Otherwise those bumps would have settled there for months —
I shudder at the thought.

It took days to get them to smoothe out and even now I have a tiny bit of surface irregularity where I made the injections. I have something in the neighborhood of post inflammatory hyperpigmentation going at the injection points too, because there was trauma from squeezing a thickish, viscous substance around 1-2mm deep. Thankfully I have skin that doesn’t hyperpigment from trauma and the dark / bruised spots are fading every day and should be completely gone in about a week or two max but… I went into this with almost glass skin. Now it’s … I don’t know what to call it, decent quality parchment paper?

Be careful what you do at home, boys and girls.

This makes me skittish to try out the other products or even to try hyaron one more time and inject it as God intended, i.e., with a mini needle right under the skin. I’m waiting for my dermaelectroporation device to arrive this Thursday and will “inject” a skin healing cocktail I ordered with my stash and that should hopefully help speed up the fading process but it will take me some time to get brave enough to do needles again, even though I fully understand where I went wrong and how to fix it.

This seems pretty cool by the way and I’m excited for it as a lot of the supplements I take in rotation have solid data behind them as skin injectables so I can take them out of the pill, dissolve them in water (well this only works for the water soluble compounds) and apply the solution topically. The machine makes sure most of it makes it past the skin barrier.

https://aexelbiomed.com/dep/

[Kira_Miftari]

Thnx for the update… I used to follow a FB group of self-injectors, and yeah - definitely observed a learning curve with most of the members… which made me sober up and realize I am not the right person to tinker with any of that… but many are;)