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Switzerland has developed robots that travel through your blood vessels to release drugs in specific areas such as the brain.
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His solution: a better night’s rest. In April, Gestetner cofounded sleep technology company Orion with his father and two of his father’s former business partners, Blake Johnson and Scott Cohen. Today, they make a sensor-activated mattress cover that gathers data (like body temperature and heartrate) and uses AI to regulate the mattress’ heat and maintain an ideal temperature all night long. The cover is currently available for pre-order and will be available for purchase this month. This week, the startup closed a $17.5 million seed round from investors including Mucker Capital, Browder Capital, Second Sight, and more.
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From the owner:
- Extremely quiet, significantly quieter than an air purifier or AC
- 24 inches tall
- Every 6 months (to fill the tank)
- Very leak proof!
I will be talking him to more, and will update with anything noteworthy
I’m looking forward to seeing how this compares to eight sleep (and Chilipad)
I’ll think out loud incase anyone winds up finding the answers.
I don’t see it on their website, but I’m interested to see how tall the tower is (it’s more slender than Eight Sleep, but ES is short and not visible when you walk into the room and this looks like it might be pretty tall)… too bad they didn’t make one that could go under the bed like Chilipad.
I’ve never had a leak with ES, but apparently their newer version 5 is considerably more leak proof. I’ll want to know more about Orion’s anti leak technology (I assume this means it can but not likely?)
ES is considerably quieter than Chilipad, which is why I chose it. I’d want to know about how it compares to Orion.
I use ES without the subscription and would want to make sure Orion could be used in the same way.
You almost never need to fill ES with water, but Chilipad needed it constantly. Expected frequency with Orion would be good to know.
I see it gets colder and hotter than ES.
I keep my ES unzipped in order to keep my bed soft, but Orion has a firm or soft option, which is definitely an upgrade.
I found this on insta… interesting…I wonder what this is all about. I messaged them and will come back here if/when I get answers.
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I missed this in the article but it describes the patch
I’m not sure how this can work long term because my room is wildly different summer to winter.
“Their current product works like this: customers get access to a bandaid-like wearable patch to sleep with for one night. The sensor embedded in the patch gathers information about the wearer’s body temperature throughout the night. That patch is then used to pre-program their mattress cover for when it arrives at their door. Once on the mattress, the cover has sensors that actively monitor biometric stats like heart rate and breath rate. Based on those stats and the body’s ideal temperature, small water tubing within the mattress cover is activated to cool the body down”
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Thanks for peeling these sleep techs apart. Why are they all subscription based? Is there any which you invest in once and be done till it deprecitates or degrades?
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This is what I want. I’m refuse to pay a subscription for a mattress
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I hate subscription products too. But there is some rationale for their monthly fee. All these types of products have a cloud-based component that gathers all the statistics and stores the data, and then feeds it to the app on your phone. The cloud server software and app are all software efforts that need ongoing development and new features, bug fixing and support.
But yes - paying monthly for a mattress seems just wrong.
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Yes, I see value if you are into the tracking aspect, but I wear an oura ring and have not looked at my eight sleep info more than a handful of times, and only then it was to compare against my oura.
Even though I don’t pay for them, the advanced options available for eightsleep will adjust the temp throughout the night in a more high tech way, but for me, that would be a negative. They say it’s ideal to have it coldest early and then less cold… but after playing with the settings, that is the exact opposite of what I want. I sleep better if I make it colder at 3am and until I wake up.
This is another reason I’d be concerned about a mandatory subscription…. We are talking more this week, so I will be digging in to this topic.
Because you don’t need a subscription with ES and it works great that way, I’d have to be sold hard on a subscription model… TBA
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Thanks for sharing this.
I don’t have either an Oura ring or an Eight Sleep device. The first is off my shopping list because of the mandatory subscription. I have a RingConn Gen 2 ring that works fine for my needs. And the ES is just too darned expensive for my taste. It’s not that I can’t afford it. I can, but I have other things I will waste my money on.
For example, I just switched to an Apple Watch Ultra 3, from a Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra (2025), which required me to switch to an Apple iPhone. So I bought the iPhone 17 Pro Max (512GB) model to replace my Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra phone. I will be replacing my Apple AirPods Pro v2 with the v3 on Black Friday, as I hope to pay a little bit less than MSRP.
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I get it on the Oura ring. I was an early adopter, so I’m grandfathered in and don’t need to pay yearly… I would HATE that.
If you sleep well, I agree the eight sleep is probably not a great place to put your money. Until two years ago, I was a lifelong insomniac, and in our house, I can’t get the bedroom cold enough, so this was cheaper than installing more trees and more a/c units! It was a life changing investment for me because I need it to be cold to sleep.
I was about to look into the watch. I absolutely don’t want to wear one, but I had a quick little heart event (an odd very palpable pattern below my collar bone on my right side, presumably my aorta… I’m sure it’s nothing, but this week my doc is having them put a 14 day holter monitor on me just to be safe than sorry). All that was to say it got me wondering if the Apple Watch has enough heart detection stuff at this point to make it worth it just for that aspect. I keep thinking I’d wait until people say it’s a must have for health. If you know anything, by all means…
Fwiw, the chilipad dock pro is less expensive (last time I checked), but it was just too loud for me, but I live in a silent environment
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I doubt the Apple watch is good enough as a heart monitor. I got it because I exercise 2 to 3 hours a day, 7 days a week, and wanted a better device for heart rate monitoring than I have. My Samsung watch was not very accurate. I also wear a Garmin Forerunner 970 on my other wrist. It too has issues with heart rate tracking. I have several heart rate monitor straps, but they aren’t the most comfortable devices.
Wearable technology is rapidly evolving but it isn’t yet where I want it for real-time, dynamic health tracking.
I used to sleep well. Then I grew old. I’m 75. Like many men my age I suffer from BPH, which means I wake up multiple times each night to urinate. So my sleep is pretty awful these days. I have tried numerous things to improve my sleep but it looks like I will have to have a prostate operation of some sort.
There are 10 different procedures I know of. I have no idea which is the best for me. I will be asking my urologist when I see him next month. I hope to resolve my poor sleep early in 2026 
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I’m in awe of your exercise schedule.
It’s so individual and you are of course dealing with a medical issue that wakes you up, but I’ll just share the things that have been most dramatic for my sleep incase there is anything to glean. To put it in perspective, my sleep was so awful that I took ambien for probably 15 years, but since trying many other things, I haven’t needed it in years. Now I am someone who sleeps like a baby.
Cold mattress
Rapa (it shockingly made a huge difference!)
Blackout curtains
Those got me very far…
Then I added LDN in Jan and WHOA… hurt my sleep for a bit and then it flipped and took me to the next level… I’d look into this one if I were you.
And just a nice add on… I also added glycine and melatonin which help, but nothing like the LDN… fwiw, I take Solaray extended release glycine and melatonin … LOVE it… no one else has mentioned it, so I’d take my success with a grain of salt.
I 100% agree. Thats why I wear chest strap for exercise. Essentially, its a physics issue:
Electrical sensors (ECG / chest strap / electrodes) ≈ ground truth for HR.
Optical (PPG, green LEDs at wrist) is “good enough” at rest, and annoying under load.
The difference is basically a physics problem plus a bad real estate choice (wrist).
Electrical (ECG, chest strap, ECG patch, watch-ECG)
Electrical Measures the heart’s electrical activity directly (R-waves).
RR intervals are very precise, which is why ECG is the reference for HR and HRV.
Optical (PPG on wrist/arm)
Shines light into tissue and detects changes in blood volume in microvasculature.
HR is inferred from the timing of those pulses, which are downstream of the heart and distorted by arteries, movement, vasoconstriction, etc. So, prone to errors!!
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Thanks for the advice. Haven’t tried Ambien and don’t think I will.
I tried LDN. Didn’t do much for me. I have also tried melatonin, magnesium and various other supplements. I even gave up caffeine for a month! Nothing has helped me sleep better. Hence, I think it’s time for an operation.
For clarity, ambien is awful for you, as I’m sure you know, and was not suggesting it and haven’t had it in years. I see my post was worded poorly, so I’ll go fix it now.
I was trying to say that I used to NEED ambien, but I have not had any in many years. As soon as I found out it was bad for us, I switched to edibles, and then switched to trazadone, and then progesterone drops…. But I don’t take any of that stuff any longer. It’s hard to imagine, but I’m now the world’s best sleeper!
It sounds like you’ve tried everything, sigh. Sleep is so important that I agree with you about considering the surgery sooner than later.
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