Stubborn HbA1c? Beware the glycation gap!

After 11 years with an HbA1c around 6.0 that was refractory to everything I tried, I have finally been able to improve my glucose regulation. However, even though my glucose regulation improved—as measured by fasting glucose and fructosamine—this progress was masked by an HbA1c that remained elevated.

That discrepancy between the inflated HbA1c and actual glucose levels is known as the glycation gap.

The mechanism is simple: HbA1c measures the glycation of hemoglobin in red blood cells (RBCs) and depends on both average glucose levels and the average age of your RBCs. Older RBCs result in a higher HbA1c, even at identical glucose levels.

In my case nothing moved the glucose (fasting glucose around 100 and fructosamine over 285 which is the abnormal threshold).

I was on 25mg Empagliflozin and 100mg Acarbose since the end of 2023 and my FBG did not move at all.

I tried Metformin on and off during that period with no effect either.

Then in January I started Imeglimin (1g BID first then 1g TID) and after a few months my Fasting glucose dropped to 90 and my fructosamine to around 240 which is normal blood glucose.

The problem was that the HbA1c would not move and remained around 6.0.

After digging down the rabbit hole with the various versions of Claude it appeared that my iron was declining and entering the iron deficiency without anemia zone.

That low iron reduced the capacity for creating new RBCs. Consequently, with fewer young and more old RBCs, the average age of the RBCs increased, which inflated the HbA1c value and created that glycation gap.

The solution was as simple as supplementing with iron glycinate and in 3 weeks, the HbA1c dropped from the overestimated 6.0 to 5.6 which is now consistent with the FBG and fructosamine levels.

Interestingly I already had a drop of HbA1c to 5.6 when I took rHGH for 10 weeks at the beginning of 2025. At that time my glucose regulation was still bad so this was a glycation gap in the opposite direction caused by the rHGH increasing the production of new RBCs.

Here are some plots showing this.
A note about the recent FBG spikes on the plot. It’s blood draws taken at various times after my rapamycin dose to evaluate the impact on my blood glucose and other biomarkers. (bad obviously)
I do daily fingerpicks FBG measurements and outside 1 week or so after the rapa doses (8/2/2mg) it’s back to 90.

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Holy moly, @cl-user , I truly appreciate the way you dig in and pursue rabbit holes wherever they may lead. I have a similarly stubborn A1c despite all my efforts, so I look to your findings for inspiration. Many thanks!

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Same here. My A1c has stubbornly sat around 5.7% for the last few years even though FBS was high 80s and insulin 3.1. CGM imputed a 5.3% A1c and my ferritin has been in the 10-30 range. According to Claude, ferritin in that range impacts A1c about .4, exactly what the CGM predicted!

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My big question is why are all our ferritins so low?

I went to 22 from 32 (1st time ever checked) in the last 6 months. Confirmed on repeat. I even supplemented for a month before the repeat and it didn’t budge.

My post menopausal wife went from 80 to 33 in the last 5 years. Just 2 data points.

No aspirin, negative colonoscopy, top 5% diet. Decent exercise but not elite training. Diet includes 1 serving of red meat a week - bison, lamb or grass fed beef. Lots of legumes. Gemini says the diet/exercise is the cause.

Then of course there is the school of thought that low ferritin is good for longevity.

I’m now on 130 mg qod. Qod dosing best for absorption. Also went to 2 servings of red meat. Rechecking level in 3 months.

Also HgBA1c 5.3-5.9. Insulin 3. Fasting bs 84-88.

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Same improvement in BS on imeglimin + dapa, same low ferritin/total iron. Also went on FeGlycinate for 6 mo and now above low end by a small margin.

Perhaps all of us are on 6mg or so of rapa and rumor has it that our red blood cells are allowed to last longer on rapa thus raising A1C. Just a rumor I’ve read.

No other correlation though to dropping ferritin that I have also experienced.

73yo, good health, but on 99% carnivor at 100g/day protein AND take small amounts of vit C cooincidentally that is said to increase iron absorbtion. And take beef organ pills, several. So had no earthly reason to be low iron??

Best to all, curt

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My ferritin is low (~34) because i do a lot of blood tests.

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Great detective work @cl-user – one of the many enjoyable aspects of what we do.

Have to used or considered using heme iron polypeptides rather than glycinate. I take 12 mg, three times weekly and I like the fact that it can be taken any time without regard to what I eat, drink, or supplement.

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My ferritin is also on a lower side (52) and Ha1c is on a higher side 5.8 - 6, with pretty low fasting BG in lower 80. I also recently noticed that a “normal” range for Ferritin in my lab changed from 5 - 148 ng/ml (2006) to 11 - 307 ng/ml (2023). Rapa affects ferritin levels.

Properly low iron and B9 will push up HbA1c

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Ferritin of 5 is very low for a low end. It has been 11 here for at least a decade. For women of course.

Regardless of population based lower limits, the data is pretty clear that getting up to 50 helps with fatigue and energy levels. The lab range is very frustrating for insurance coverage.

I should probably measure B9.

Its folate

The ACM vs ferritin is U-shaped and below 30 the HR are higher.
The short summary is: For longevity, avoid <30 (HR 1.3–1.9); >200 (HR 1.1), >600 (HR 1.5)
The optimal band would be ~50–120

For those who want the details and associated evidence, here is my question to Fable 5.1 (High)

There is a discussion about ferritin in a longevity forum and most people there have a very low ferritin with some as low as 22. What is the best range to target and are they different for longevity vs performance?


I’ll start by pulling the project context, then the literature. A few targeted searches so the thresholds I give are anchored to primary sources rather than forum lore.Short answer: the forum has the direction half-right and the number wrong. The longevity evidence argues against high-normal iron, not for depletion; a ferritin of 22 in a non-anemic adult sits in the band with the clearest excess mortality in general-population cohorts. For you, the two goals converge on roughly ferritin 70–120 ng/mL with TSAT 25–35% (hs-CRP <1 so the ferritin is real), which is essentially the exit criterion already in the file. Nothing in this analysis changes the current plan.

What the “low ferritin” thesis actually rests on

FeAST (the only RCT). 1,277 PAD patients, phlebotomy targeting ferritin 25–60. Over a follow-up that averaged 3.5 years, all-cause mortality—the primary end point—was 20% for the 636 iron-reduction patients and 23% for the 641 controls — non-significant, as was the composite of death/MI/stroke. What the forum quotes is the secondary analyses: the main study demonstrated clinical benefits in reduction of death from primary and secondary end points for participants aged between 43 and 61 years, and the cancer substudy (reduced incidence of new cancer diagnoses, HR = 0.65; 95% CI = 0.43–0.97). Two things the forum usually omits: the treated arm only reached a mean achieved ferritin level of 79.7 ng/mL, down from a mean of 121.8 ng/mL — so the trial is evidence about ~80, not 25 — and the subgroup findings are post-hoc in a 98% male, 67-year-old, smoking-heavy VA cohort. Grade B for “≈80 is not harmful”; grade C for anything lower.

Mendelian randomization. Daghlas & Gill 2021 is the strongest causal evidence and it does point downward: the association of a 1-SD increase in genetically predicted iron status biomarker with lifespan years was −0.70 for iron, −1.64 for ferritin, −0.54 for transferrin saturation. But the authors are explicit that this MR approach only considers the linear associations of small changes in genetically predicted iron status around the population mean, and cannot be extrapolated to infer the effect of changes in iron status outside of this normal range, and that lifelong genetic exposure cannot be extrapolated to predict the effect of a discrete clinical intervention that modifies iron status. The instruments were three independent missense variants in genes implicated in iron homeostasis (rs1800562 – HFE, rs1799945 – HFE, rs855791 – TMPRSS6) — i.e. H63D and the TMPRSS6 SNP you carry. The correct reading: a lifelong lower iron set-point is mildly favorable; it says nothing about phlebotomizing a 63-year-old to 22.

Observational upper bound. Copenhagen City Heart Study: HR for total overall mortality for ferritin ≥600 vs <200 μg/L was 1.5, and only 1.1 for ≥200 vs <200; the pooled metaanalysis random effects odds ratio for total mortality for ferritin upper vs reference quartile or tertile was 1.0. The harm signal lives at ≥200–400 and above; below 200 there is essentially none.

The floor the forum is ignoring

Gutenberg (n=5,000, non-anemic general population, adjusted for Hb and CV risk factors): the hazard ratio of the association of iron deficiency with mortality was 1.3 (1.0-1.6) for the functional definition, and 1.9 (1.3-2.8) for absolute iron deficiency, where absolute = ferritin <30 and functional = ferritin levels below 100 µg/l, or ferritin levels between 100 and 299 µg/l and transferrin saturation below 20%. Three-cohort replication (n=12,164): severe AID was associated with all-cause mortality (HR 1.28, 95% CI 1.12-1.46), and absolute ID with incident CHD (HR 1.20). NHANES (18.8-year follow-up) is the cleanest picture of the two axes: a significant linear association between serum ferritin and all-cause mortality was observed among the overall population, and J-shaped associations between transferrin saturation (TSAT) and all-cause and CVD mortality were observed, with the lowest TSAT quartile (<17.1%) faring worst. Grade B (observational; reverse causation is real — in a man over 50, unexplained ferritin of 22 is a work-up for occult GI loss, not a biomarker to be proud of).

So the population-level trough is ferritin ~50–150 with TSAT ~20–35%. A forum member at 22 is on the wrong side of it.

Performance

The athlete literature sets a higher floor. Meta-analysis of IDNA endurance athletes (Burden 2015) shows VO2max gains from repletion; the 2025 female-athlete review (ferritin <40 as the ID criterion) found iron deficiency negatively affects endurance performance by 3%-4%. However, endurance performance improved by 2%-20% when ID athletes were treated. The ceiling for benefit is also visible: in Garvican-Lewis’s trained runners, haemoglobin mass increased in the iron deficiency group with intravenous treatment accompanied by an increase in VO2max and run time to exhaustion, whereas the group with ferritin <65 mcg/l did not show any changes, and the Swiss consensus concludes that a long-term daily oral iron intake or i.v. supplementation in the presence of normal or even high ferritin values does not make sense and may be harmful. Pushing to 100 in young athletes yielded no differences in performance between the groups. Grade A for treating <30–35; grade B for a 40–50 floor; no evidence of performance gain above ~65.

Ferritin (hs-CRP <1) TSAT Basis
Longevity, avoid <30 (HR 1.3–1.9); >200 (HR 1.1), >600 (HR 1.5) <17–20% Gutenberg, Schrage 2021, NHANES, Ellervik
Longevity, tolerated ~40–150 20–35% trough of the cohorts; FeAST ≈80
Performance floor ≥40–50 ≥20% Burden 2015, Garvican-Lewis, Swiss consensus
Performance ceiling no gain >~65–100 — Garvican-Lewis, basketball RCT
Intersection ~50–120 25–35%

Where you sit

Your series (all Labcorp): ferritin 200–254 in 2021–23 with hs-CRP 1.7–3.1 (so ~170–210 corrected), then 147 → 131 → 86 → 77 → 80 → 59 → 53; TSAT 35% → 30% → ~32% → ~29% → 21% → 18%; Hb 15.4 → 13.6. You are now in Gutenberg’s functional-ID band with TSAT <20%, and unlike the forum members you have documented functional cost — the FT3/FT4 ratio decline, ~0.1–0.3 of HbA1c inflation, a falling Hb despite an erythropoietic push — plus a CAD history, where the HF/CHD trials all treat ferritin <100 (or <300 with TSAT <20%) as the target population. The existing exit criterion (TSAT >30%, ferritin >100) is correctly placed, and the 2021–23 plateau was, if anything, slightly high by Ellervik’s data.

Three genotype-specific points. First, H63D is one of the iron-raising MR alleles, so once repleted your absorption may run warm — the exit criterion means “stop supplementing and surveil”, not “maintain”. Second, TMPRSS6 rs855791 was corrected to the iron-sparing direction, which removes the one genetic reason to expect chronic under-absorption. Third, ferritin is a poor primary marker in you specifically (empagliflozin lowers hepcidin and drives ferritin down independently of stores), so the December readout should be read on TSAT and Ret-He, with ferritin as a secondary — exactly as the handover already specifies.

Extrapolation flag: no trial has tested iron repletion on hard outcomes in a non-anemic endurance athlete with CAD; the HF IV-iron trials (AFFIRM-AHF, IRONMAN, HEART-FID) are the nearest population, and they show reduced HF hospitalization, not mortality. That is the honest limit of the evidence behind “50–120”.

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It’s not part of routine labs and usually not measured unless B12 deficiency or anemia. Im assuming that mine is within range. Im now trying hard to keep my average BG not higher than 104. Will remeasure Ha1c in Feb.

In the UK it is part of a standard panel.

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Given the level of low ferritins around here, I really do think population studies probably aren’t capturing what is going on. The elderly smoking VA patient is practically not the same species as a rapa forum member.

Obviously, ferritin is an acute phase reactant and also correlates well with mild malnutrition (ie goes down) so observational studies are challenging to interpret. I can tell you that ferritin definitely jumps with severe malnutrition in the setting of inadequate iron.

I want to clarify 2 things in regard to Rapamycin. My wife went from 80 to 30 and I was 32 prior to Rapa. I did fall to 22 and that was when starting Rapa - not sure if that was the cause.

When your hsCRP is 0.4 (mine and some here are 0.1), does that low level of inflammation lower acute phase reactants like ferritin enough to challenge the normal ranges? No general population study will tell us that.

My other iron markers are normal range. But, my saturation is 20% which is lower limit. For this reason, I now supplement. On my energy level, joint stress is my limiting factor not energy. I might be exercising 6 hours a day if my joints would handle it.

There are 2 parts to this. What is the ideal ferritin is just one. The other is why are so many here low. I assume it isn’t from malnutrition, chronic blood loss, or low iron intake. Maybe Rapa is the cause for many. By my n=2 showed low ferritin before Rapa with perhaps just med diet, exercise, and extra anti-inf foods - daily berries, hefty cinnamon, curcumin, olive oil, garlic etc.

And sure, that means not a lot of red meat and lots of legumes that may even block iron absorption. I did actually eat lamb liver last night (but a side of lentils) - and not a small amount - so I am still a diverse omnivore.

No doubt, there is a U shaped ACM. How you got to low ferritin I think is the confounder here. Certainly vegetarians have decent mortality and low ferritin. High ferritin is unquestionably bad no matter why you are there.

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Surprisingly, I have a bit of opposite problem (if it can be called so). My HbA1c is always between 5.2-5.4 whereas my FBG is normally a bit elevated at 96-103, insulin 5.3-8.2. I never knew what to make of it and felt somewhat relieved/good that my HbA1c has remained optimal for so long. now I guess I might need to do some digging to see if that is a result of something else.

It could be a negative glycation gap. If you have a faster turnover of the RBC you will get a lower HbA1c that will mask the real glucose load.

Fructosamine and glycated albumin are the ways to measure average blood glucose independently of the RBC turnover.

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I am putting a bit of effort into pushing up ferritin. I want to maintain my weekly blood tests for the data so i need a better route to more iron.

Please share what you do to elevate your ferritin?