Some Beneficial Off-Label Uses of Some Common Drugs

Some Beneficial Off-Label Uses of Some Common Drugs

This is a rather lengthy, rambling blog. You may want to tune out, especially if you are not old.

The advent of means, i.e., the power of the internet, search engines, AI, etc., to take control of our own health and medical welfare, and the ability to source medications, peptides, etc., gives us the opportunity to tweak our own health routines and medications.

I would like to discover what other members may be doing in the area of off label drug use.

I am always seeking ways to enhance both my physical and mental well-being. So having beaten most of the primary benefits of medications and supplements to death, I thought maybe starting a new thread about off-label benefits of some common drugs and supplements would be enlightening. ( Of course, our use of rapamycin for life extension is an example as are the benefits of LDN, etc.)

So I will start off with my subjective experiences with a recent medication that I have been trying. I am not suggesting this for anyone else. I am just reporting my experiences.

A little N=1 anecdotal subject report on modafinil.
I suggest that you conduct your own research on the benefits and safety of modafinil and how it works using AI.

I am sure most people over 80 will tell you that their brain doesn’t feel like or function like it did when they were young.

One common observation I have made among my elderly relatives and friends is that they often exhibit apathy, which is frequently mistaken for depression. They see the end of days approaching and think, What is the use? I have nothing left to look forward to.

I digress somewhat when I tell you that chemicals in our brain greatly influence how we feel, happy or sad, depressed or not. At my age, I am particularly aware of this. I am sure you have noticed that some people remain very happy regardless of their circumstances, while others seem unhappy no matter what their situation is.

I self-assess daily when I wake up. Early on, I can tell what kind of day it is going to be.
One of the first things I assess is how well I am walking today, sense of balance, etc. How is the brain fog? Do I need to take any action for it?

So, I’ve been sensing some apathy lately, especially when I don’t find something exciting in Rapamycin News. Also, feel a little ADHD, which I didn’t feel when I was younger. So, I decided to make my motto “Better Living Through Chemistry” (a phrase from old DuPont ads).

With a little help from AI, I searched for something that would address the problem while being relatively benign and legal, and I found modafinil. This has been mentioned in some other threads.

Because I am old, 100 mg is enough daily; 200 mg made me feel “wired.”

Also taking it with breakfast is best for me, as on an empty stomach, even 100 mg can make me feel wired.

For me, it is a trifecta: it treats apathy, reduces brain fog, and acts as an antidepressant.
“The nuanced effects of modafinil are best understood as the result of a synergistic combination of actions across multiple, interconnected neurochemical systems. The initial increase in extracellular dopamine appears to trigger a downstream cascade that modulates several other key arousal pathways.”

"Modafinil, marketed under the brand name Provigil among others, represents a unique pharmacological agent within the class of central nervous system (CNS) drugs designed to enhance wakefulness. It is formally classified as a eugeroic, a term signifying a “wakefulness-promoting agent.”

“Its chemical structure, 2-[(diphenylmethyl)sulfinyl]acetamide, and its neurobiological effects are notably distinct. This distinction is fundamental to understanding its therapeutic applications, safety profile, and growing off-label uses.” Surprisingly, treatment of apathy in the elderly was a discovered anecdotal report.

"However, the perceived efficacy of modafinil in enhancing concentration and alertness has led to its widespread off-label use as a “nootropic” or “smart drug” by individuals seeking cognitive enhancement.

"Military and High-Performance Use
U.S. Air Force: Authorized as a “go-pill” for fatigue management in pilots.

“French Foreign Legion: Used for sustained alertness in combat.”

“Biohackers speculate on lifespan extension via reduced oxidative stress.”

“Perhaps the most well-known off-label use of modafinil is as a cognitive enhancer, or “smart drug,” by healthy, non-sleep-deprived individuals, such as students and professionals in high-pressure fields.”

“Overall, users generally perceive modafinil as a safe and effective tool, with the subjective benefits far outweighing the perceived risks.”
“Drug interactions are fewer than with classical stimulants, which is advantageous for elderly patients on multiple medications.”

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Who are you quoting here?

Modafinil is a fantastic substance. For me I generally feel more awake, more aware, more social, more energetic and more fun. A good combo with moda is low dose lithium orotate 1-5mg, acetyl-L-carnitine and alpha GPC. I imagine L-theanine would also go well.

But I don’t use it daily. I don’t want to rely on it.

The way I use it is how Alex Kikel explains that you start at a low dose 3x a week, and slowly titrate the dose up until the dose makes you feel over excited (perhaps what you call wired), then titrate down.

You do this periodically and it helps improve brain function.

Here is a video going over that: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hohB9TTClnY

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I’m old too, so I’m interested. If you take in in the am it doesn’t affect sleep? Maulik, Sun Pharma or did you get it from your PCP?

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It absolutely can affect sleep. This is another reason to not take it daily.

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I am sure some people are more affected by it than others.
As I said, I take it in the morning with breakfast. It has had no effect on my sleep at the dose that I am taking (100 mg).

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Modalert Modafinil 100mg Tablets

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I didn’t need it when I was young.

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Various articles, papers, and social media.
There were too many articles to cite.
That is why I said for people to do their own research.

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i prefer armodafinil just 30 minutes after waking up because it has longer half life of 12 to 14 hrs. its better than moda, Armodafinil has longer action, produces no crash and does not dispose you to repeated use so you might actually get lower total dose. 50 mg can pull you through the day
It’s not a stim but it’s better that way, 30x150mg pack gives you 3 months, i have almost quit coffee after trying armoda, better in every way in my opinion due to coffee crash i get in mid afternoon

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forgot to add that it is one of the most effective nootropics in top 5 almost & main thing is that it does not build tolerance like coffee & isnt as addictive also:: https://x.com/lehoho248/status/1921104715951001744

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Different people react differently to Modafinil. In my case it definitely has a hangover effect and it may take several days sometimes for my brain chemicals to come back to normal after using it. I suggest 50 mg maximum to start with and taken with the morning meal. I’ve tried it an hour before breakfast, with breakfast and an hour after breakfast (sublingual) at doses of 50 mg and 100 mg. 50 mg with breakfast seems to create less of a hangover effect for me, but it is more subtle at this dose – almost unnoticeable. However, I do notice that it’s working with this method because I seem more sociable and exercise seems easier. If going for an all-day hike I would normally use 50 mg just as the hike begins because it works well with continual physical activity. 100 mg doesn’t seem to be more useful than the 50 mg for me, and Armodafinil (the stronger of the 2 isomers of Modafinil) with a stronger, longer punch doesn’t work as well for me. But, YMMV!

After several years of use I feel better overall when I don’t use it, but there are times when I do want that extra alertness and energy. So, I use it judiciously.

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Well. As usual, I’m at the far end of the range here. People definitely react differently to modafinil. I love it for what it does well.

But If I take 25mg, it’ll kick my ass for sleep, and I’ll be looking at a hard night. I can take that much if I must (need focus desperately, or I can’t shake a depression for which modafinil sometimes works beautifully), but 50mg? Ha ha ha. Nope. [edit: even if I take it in the morning; for me, sleep-threat duration of effect is 24hrs. I’m a cheap date.]

My effective and sleep-safe dose is 6-12mg. Yes, really. Yes, really.

I suggest most people start even lower, if they have any problems with insomnia, more like 25mg, and see how it goes.

I have yet to meet a longevity expert who doesn’t say that sleep is a key factor.

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Hi Sol. Yes, a lower dose is safer to start with. My tablets are 200 mg each which I can cut into 4 fairly equal sections with a razor blade, but cutting them into smaller equal segments would be difficult. If they come in a size smaller than 200 mg I did not know that (probably because I didn’t do enough searching). What mg size are your pills and are they Indian or otherwise? Thanks.

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Mine are 200mg as well. 25mg would be 1/8th of that 200mg.

Me, I split them into 16 aprox equal parts, then take a half-ish nibble. :smiley:

We do the best we can with what we’ve got.

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What about selegiline? A fellow I know is incredibly sharp and credits selegiline as the main reason.

https://x.com/KiesowPaul/status/1932536113647779859

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Selegiline (also known as L-deprenyl), I know it has a lot of fans, especially among the college crowd using it for studying, exams, etc.

It addresses some of the same things as modafinil, ADHD, depression, etc.

Right now, I am very happy with modafinil. It really seems to address the typical old-age morning brain fog I was experiencing, and it was also an immediate mood elevator for me.
And it absolutely addressed the issue of elderly apathy, which may be manifested by procrastination.

Several things that I have tried in the past lost their efficacy with continued use. If modafinil quits working for me, I try selegiline. Selegiline looks like a promising substitute. Both are cheap from India, so I have a good supply of modafinil.

One AI said this: “For selegiline, there is less evidence of significant tolerance or loss of clinical effect with long-term therapeutic use, especially at standard doses.”
Some speculate that selegiline is neuroprotective, but I have not found any compelling studies.

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At what age approximately did you start feeling that aging is progressing faster now than before? I’m 70 and comparing it to myself at 65. I don’t feel any different and do pretty much the same things besides developed an annoying aching in the base of my right hand thumb.

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Very interesting question. Up to about 55 I literally couldn’t tell much of a difference physically than when I was in my early 30’s (other than cosmetic obviously). I specifically said early 30’s because by that age I had already lost part of agility that comes with a very young age (i.e. late teens, early 20’s). However last 3-4 years (59 now) I felt that I started aging quite rapidly with significant noticeable difference in looks, strength, body aches, etc… I was doing few common and known supplements and Rapa (though I stopped it about 6 months ago thinking it might be the culprit, have started it again since I ruled it out as the reason for my overall decline). at was at a place of accepting it just the normal process of getting old and as we all know some age better and some worse based on many things, but among them genes also.

While still a bit early and don’t want to jinx it, but I’ve had a 180 return to my pre-55-year-old years in last couple of weeks since I started HGH, and LDN (still do Rapa, and few other things but these two are the only changes) and I would probably split the benefits almost evenly among them, maybe 55/45 in favor of HGH. The results have been nothing short of spectacular, but as I said I’m hoping they’ll last.

I’ve also ordered Selegiline (and couple other meds, such as a statin but for preventative reasons, and don’t expect any wellbeing feeling from them) and want to give it a try to see if that will be synergistic to HGH and LDN. If not, I’ll just stick to what seems to be working for me, but yeah at some point I do expect to feel I’m getting old but was hopping to delay as much as possible (hopefully late 80’s, early 90’s) LOL.

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Definitely around 80-81. I didn’t feel differently at 80 than I did at 75.
While the “Levine” derived age calculator may not accurately predict biologic age, it definitely tracks acceleration, IMO.
Also, I noticed my face aging faster after 80. Though I think due to rapamycin, I have less pain, virtually none, than when I was 70.

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