It’s a myth that our ancestors primarily ate meat. They were primarily vegetarians. The studies cited in this video helped me switch from a carnivore diet.
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I haven’t eaten meet for 30+ years. Somehow it disgusts me. I don’t like its smell or look, no matter how it’s cooked. And I remember it even from my childhood. If I cook meet for somebody else, I always wear gloves. Probably sounds ridiculous for most people. Eating meet is not natural for me. I do eat fish in moderation (couple times per month). Eggs are OK too. Could it be connected to blood type?
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Clearly fallacious logic. It would depend on which ancestors you are talking about.
Clearly not ancestors from the north who depended primarily depended on meat.
As I have said before anyone can make an argument for the opposing point of view and present facts to back it up.
Example:
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Watch game changers. That would explode the myth about our ancestors’ diet. Of course it’s pretty meaningless whatever it was. Whether they ate 100% meat or 100% plants we evolved to reproduce not for longevity.
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This comes across to me as a sort of religious dispute where there are various views that are argued. What is clear is that people need Vitamins in their diet and not all of them are available on a vegan diet.
However, more broadly getting the right balance of essential nutrients is not easy via a diet as it is also sensible to constrain the amount of food eaten.
Hence I conclude the merits of supplementation. Supplementation is, however, hard to work out and will vary from person to person.
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If our ancestors were vegetarian we would find skulls with poor dentition and lots of caries but we don’t up until 10000 years ago
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Personally I am a bit intolerant of cows milk. I have it in tea, but I used to have digestion problems caused by milk as well as ones not caused by milk. Since I have improved my metabolism as far as I can tell all my digestion issues have gone away, but I still don’t drink a lot of cows milk and I don’t intend finding out whether I would tolerate a lot of milk.
Almost all of my improvements happened before I took Rapa. I have taken it once and intend taking it at an extended frequency, but I have not yet set a date for the second time. I have too many things to test at the moment. My testing cycle is mainly weekly.
If our ancestors were carnivores we would have different teeth than we have.
We evolved to have brains to make tools and our metabolism evolved accordingly losing the ability to process plants and becoming ever more dependent on meat
We have canines to tear meat.
Hey all, thank you for the thoughts on carnivore versus plant based. As stated above there are arguments to be made for both sides. I think energy is better spent trying to understand all sides of an issue versus defending your position. This message board, the internet and social media waste a lot of energy on folks arguing a point or a side. I think Mark Hyman, functional medicine Dr and author of the Pegan Diet says it best, do what makes you feel best.
Personally, I have done Paleo and eaten a ton of meat and felt pretty good. My primary convinced me to go plant based. My father died of aggressive prostate cancer and my mom of a stroke, his logic was both of those are better prevented on a high plant diet versus meat. I think I feel similarly, on low carb plant based versus low carb meat. My numbers (blood work) overall are slightly better on plants. I supplement quite a bit to get the right nutrition, b12, algae, healthy omega, iron, Creatine, bcaa etc. I have considered doing the Tom Brady diet of 1 or 2 times a week 4oz max healthy meat. The mental block for me is cleaning up a pan, grill, or stove after cooking meat. How can all that fat and crud not block up your arteries? If the spirit moves me or I feel worn down I have some frozen buffalo burgers in the freezer I can throw in the air fryer. So far, almost 3 years in the spirit hasn’t…
Again folks, when about to argue a point on this message board or elsewhere ask yourself, am I being radically open minded? If not, perhaps keep it to yourself?
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Oh… my point was I started this thread cause I was having crazy side effects (from Metformin) at the time I didn’t know that and feared it might be Rapamycin. I went on to provide my experience(s). My diet came up for background context. Then a 10ish post debate started on plant based versus meat based. I have seen similar debates emerge in threads that weren’t even on topic. Vaccines for example, the COVID vaccine, to have or not to have… lots of energy there. I agree science is a useful tool to navigate decisions. Like you suggest, I have looked at both data sets, plants and meat and on the recommendation of my Dr have gone plant based. Is that the best way? I don’t know. I challenge my decision often. Radical open-mindedness is motivated by the genuine worry that you might not be seeing your choices optimally. It is the ability to effectively explore different points of view and different possibilities without letting your ego or your blind spots get in your way.
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And once again you missed the point entirely, which was: “anyone can make an argument for the opposing point of view and present facts to back it up.”
You’re welcome.
Haha 
the point was this is a forum about Rapamycin with some longevity on the side.
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It certainly seems to have strayed far from that.
I think I and most people here would appreciate it if our community members don’t get caught up in promoting heavily any one nutritional intervention or approach… and don’t spend too much time on these types of discussions. Unfortunately, given the imperfect nature of virtually all the “correlational” nutritional research I don’t think its of much value to get too committed or dogmatic about most nutritional approaches. As the recent Peter Attia / Matt Kaeberlein podcast covered - people seem to do pretty well across a broad variety of dietary approaches. Its fine to present a study occasionally, but please don’t get vociferously religious (i.e. dictatorial, thinking your way is best) about any one dietary approach or dietary intervention here. I’m sure over our lifetimes we’ll see a lot of new (and probably contradictory) information in this area.
Some related videos:
Thanks!
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Exactly on this podcast… which is amazing MK and PA state there is no such thing as a perfect diet for everyone.
Due to phenotypes, genetics lifestyle and so much more… that every fad expert, claimed perfect diet over the decades never pans out. Some thrive on vegan… others on meat…paleo.
It is understandable that someone who has found their perfect health… longevity diet wants everyone to get the benefit. It doesn’t work that way… listen to the podcast. And, good luck finding your diet. Just worked out… time for a pound of steak, loaded potato …chased down with whole milk. 
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I’m pretty sure we would already have Peter Attia’s book if it were not for the nutrition chapter. I think he makes a good point that there are too many confounding factors. It’s impossible to declare winners and losers. He says that plant-based diets usually fare best, but it’s quite likely that those people are also doing other helpful things like exercising. Carnivores and vegetarians don’t eat highly processed foods. I am more interested in avoiding added sugars and processed food.
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I considered starting a new thread, but since this thread contains my story I figured to park this update here - @RapAdmin open to taxonomy advice 
So… after taking Rapa successfully for over a year I stopped to have my hip resurfaced. I gave myself 4+ months off to heal and to do PT, etc. I decided to start today by titrating up again. I took 2mg of Zydus with 1/2 a grapefruit 45 minutes prior and washed it down with flax seed oil. I also took 100mg of Doxycylcin which I plan to pair with my weekly dose. For two reasons, 1:) out of an abundance of caution with my implanted device to prevent infection 2:) There is some evidence, albeit loose, that osteoarthritis can be bacterial. i.e. some bad bacteria are responsible in some way for cartilage reduction. I’ll take 3mg of Rapa next week then I may drop the grapefruit and go up to 6 mg. I had my bloodwork redone.I thought folks might be interested in before Rapa (<2/22) - Rapa for 1 year and off for 4 months. Only thing that jumps out to me is my A1C went up to 5.7 off Rapa. Also notice White and red blood cell counts moving in line with Rapa. Oh and I remain mostly plant based, but experimented with having some fish and greek yogurt to see if I would heal better/faster. I am not sure it did anything positive or negative. I may have 4oz of fish every week or bi-weekly to make sure if I am missing anything in my diet amino-acid-wise or otherwise that I get it.
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