Reducing Lp(a) with enobosarm/ostarine

Just thought I’d post an update on my successful “n of 1” research study in which I’ve decreased my Lp(a) from nearly 200 down to 25 with a low dose of the selective androgen receptor modulator enobosarm (also known as ostarine). Enobosarm is an orally bioavailable compound currently in stage 3 trials for muscle wasting and for lean mass preservation during GLP therapy for weight loss. Previously I mistakenly attributed my decreased Lp(a) to IGF-1 LR3.

Most recently I reduced the dose of enobosarm from 6mg/day down to 3mg/day (the conservative dose used in clinical studies), expecting reduced efficacy but instead my Lp(a) is now the lowest it’s ever been. Note the zig-zags up and down are from stopping/starting/stopping/restarting enobosarm:

NOTE: enobosarm/ostarine is not yet FDA approved and is only available as a research compound, which is not labeled for human use and depending on the source could be of poor quality and/or have contaminants, so buyer/user beware.

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Any impact on ALT or HDL? ApoB?

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No effect on ALT or ApoB, but ApoB is already well controlled with meds. I take TUDCA every morning with the enobosarm just to mitigate any potential effect on liver enzymes. I don’t bother checking HDL these days since it appears basically irrelevant when ApoB and Lp(a) are low.

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Your LP(a) fluctuates greatly currently and you only have 1 data point before taking ostsrine which could have been taken when you had one of those high peaks.

I bought some ostarine a couple of years ago but never dared take it btw

How much did it reduce your hormones?

Impressive. I have sky high Lp(a), but SARMs as a remedy are too adventurous for my pedestrian self. I think I’ll wait for the dedicated Lp(a) drugs currently trialled. Of course, more power to you - you’re a braver man than me!

Was excited to read about the effects of a “SARM”, because I have been taking a SERM (selective estrogen reuptake modulator), Raloxifene, for years. Initially prescribed for osteoporosis. When I was diagnosed with a very tiny, very indolent breast estrogen-sensitive breast cancer (which I actually think was caused by multiple hunt-and-peck biopsies --but that is a topic for another day) I was told to get on Tamoxifen, but decided to take Raloxifene instead. It has some benefits for bone, and now I see here that it could possibly be beneficial for body composition. Raloxifene is not quite as powerful as Tamoxifen as an anti-cancer drug but it has fewer sides and overall a better set of advantages/disadvantages for me personally. Raloxifene doesn’t seem to get a lot of attention, but it is one of those old, long-off-patent drugs that has a good risk/reward profile.

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SARMs have a bad reputation because of abuse of high doses by teenagers and bodybuilders. High doses cause all kinds of problems – suppression of endogenous hormones, elevation of liver enzymes, worsening of lipids, elevation of blood pressure, etc etc.

The 3mg daily dose of enobosarm used in clinical trials is tolerated very well with minimal side effects.

Veru Reports Positive Safety Results from Phase 2b QUALITY Study: Enobosarm Added to Semaglutide Led to Greater Fat Loss, Preservation of Muscle, and Fewer Gastrointestinal Side Effects Compared to Semaglutide Alone :: Veru Inc. (VERU).

Yes, as I said, it goes up when I stop the enobosarm and goes back down when I restart. I did this on purpose.

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Congratulations Davin, that very impressive! I’d love to see some corroboration of your success.

I also have very high LP(a) and my understanding is that your LP(a) level is largely determined by your genes, so it tends to stay fairly constant throughout life. Mine has moved between 177 and 199.

Unlike LDL or triglycerides, LP(a) doesn’t change significantly with diet, exercise or weight loss. As stated by others, there’s some promising research going on in this area. Until then I will continue living like a monk. :slight_smile:

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As someone whose LP(a) has been unexpectedly shifting I was curious to read about that impact from Ostarine. I’ve tried Ostarine before but grew concerned with my endocrine impacts (lowered total and free T).

I was reviewing the studies again (with Claude and Gemini’s help) and found few references to LP(a), but interesting:
intensive preclinical models exploring the systemic effects of advanced non-steroidal SARMs (such as SARM-2f) in cynomolgus monkeys indicate a strong, consistent tendency for these compounds to actively decrease the circulating concentrations of dangerous Lp(a) particles. (A selective androgen receptor modulator SARM-2f activates androgen receptor, increases lean body mass, and suppresses blood lipid levels in cynomolgus monkeys - PubMed)%20in%20monkeys.)
“[…] SARM-2f showed a tendency to reduce blood Lp (a) levels in monkeys. Further studies are required to confirm this effect”

Report summarized “ androgenic stimulation of the liver is one of the few pharmacological pathways known to suppress Lp(a) synthesis. Based on extensive historical data regarding oral anabolic steroids, androgenic activity reliably reduces Lp(a) levels by 37% to 50%. While direct, highly powered Phase 3 data for enobosarm’s precise percentage effect on Lp(a) is sparse, the overarching AR-mediated reduction of APOA1 and the fundamentally altered hepatic lipid assembly pathways strongly suggest that enobosarm confers a suppressive effect on Lp(a), mirroring the broader SARM and AAS class effects.”

The concerns that kept me from retailing Ostarine remain, and here’s what Claude and Gemini suggest are outstanding areas of concern or need for more study:

Endocrine Impacts: Testosterone, LH, FSH, and SHBG
Lowers both SHBG and total T while free T remains about the same. Lower LH and FSH but not in clinically relevant levels.

Hepatotoxicity and Liver Enzymes (AST, ALT, ALP, Bilirubin): ALT elevates (7-20%) but rarely dramatically unless using more than 3mg (body builders and influencers go nuts with this and try 10mg+ and has resulted in drug induced liver injuries).

Lipid Profile and Cardiovascular Biomarkers (Lp(a), APOB, HDL, and LDL):
dose-dependent suppression of HDL cholesterol, with absolute reductions of 17% to 27% routinely observed at clinical doses of 1 mg and 3 mg.
APOB stays level or may sometimes decrease slightly, same for cholesterol and triglycerides.

Unknown cardiovascular - prolonged use has theoretical increased risk of myocardial infarction and stroke, primarily because the long-term atherosclerotic consequences of chronically depressed HDL and SHBG in a SARM-altered lipid environment remain unknown, as these events are rarely captured in 12-to-16-week clinical trials.

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How / type?

Where purchase?

Very cool. Would be interesting to see how effective is 1mg. I did 5mg/day for 4 weeks, and most of my hormone levels fell by at lest 66%.

Yeah, I was thinking/wondering the same thing.

For me, the trade-off of having normal Lp(a) is more than worth any decrease in HDL, especially since it appears that low HDL isn’t a causal factor in atherosclerosis yet high Lp(a) definitely is.

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Agreed re: lower LP(a) > higher HDL.

Very interesting learning about cholesterol and triglycerides. Fortunately, my increase in LP(a) is only from 26 average 2-3 years ago to 53 average in the last 6 months. Still good range but concerning to see a generally static, genetically determined LP(a) shift the wrong way. But my LDL (46-52), VLDL (5-11), and HDL (72-84) remain in optimal ranges (same with APOB @ 43-48 and APOA-1 @ 141-165).

Just a note of caution - apparently the measurements of Lp(a) are quite fraught and frequently unreliable, depending on many factors, such as how long the blood sat around before being processed etc. I’ve also had my readings vary, though always high. Bottom line, a different reading level may not correctly reflect actual levels, depending on the lab and other factors.

Same here – always high (pre-enobo) but they have bounced up and down a bit over the years.