Parkinson's disease

Thanks a lot for sharing. The body-first vs brain-first theory is controversial and is not confirmed by all data. Besides the heart, PD might also start in the kidney: Propagation of pathologic α-synuclein from kidney to brain may contribute to Parkinson’s disease 2025.

PD might not be one disease but a family of several diseases, or a very diverse disease with subgroups. For instance, this paper identified a subgroup with mitochondrial dysfunction in skeletal muscle: Mitochondrial complex I deficiency occurs in skeletal muscle of a subgroup of individuals with Parkinson’s disease 2025. The same authors previously identified that not all people with PD had mitochondrial dysfunction in their body (but all had it in the substantia nigra part of the brain): Parkinson's disease - #709 by adssx

This recent paper is interesting: Environmental exposures and familial background alter the induction of neuropathology and inflammation after SARS-CoV-2 infection 2025

They show that viral infections make you more susceptible to Parkinsonian symptoms after toxin exposure (MPTP or the paraquat pesticide) and that a vaccine can protect you, unless you have a high genetic predisposition (LRRK2).

It fits well with the “dual hit” hypothesis: Parkinson's disease - #468 by adssx

So PD might be a galaxy of diseases depending on the set of causes (pesticide + gene, or pollution + virus, or etc.) and the original organ where it started (gut, heart, nose, brain, kidney, etc.) and how it then spreads.

See also this framework: Parkinson's disease - #714 by adssx

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On plastic surgery, another reason might be: Beyond surgery: Repurposing anesthetics for treatment of central nervous system disorders

But why only plastic surgery and not all surgeries? Presuming non elective surgeries mean worse health but Parkinson’s sounds too specific.

I could be a combination of confounding factors + a real effect of anesthetics? Or maybe anesthetics used in plastic surgery are different than those used in other surgeries?

Yeah I thought so too perhaps but from looking it up it seems they use the same anesthetics as other surgeries. My guess is this is a nothingburger and spurious connection.

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Peripheral immune cell response to stimulation stratifies Parkinson’s disease progression from prodromal to clinical stages 2025

The motor stage of Parkinson’s disease (PD) can be preceded for years by a prodromal stage characterized by non-motor symptoms like REM sleep behavior disorder (RBD), hyposmia, and constipation. Here, we show that multiple stages of idiopathic PD, including the pre-motor prodromal stage, can be stratified according to the inflammatory responses to stimulation of peripheral blood mononuclear cells ex vivo. IFNγ stimulation of isolated monocytes reveals increased stimulation-dependent secretion of TNF, IL-1β, and IL-8 in prodromal PD relative to moderate stage PD. Additionally, T cells stimulated with CD3/CD28 co-stimulatory beads show diminished proinflammatory cytokine secretion in early-moderate PD relative to prodromal. Receiver operating characteristic curves demonstrate that several cytokines produced by stimulated monocytes show high predictive utility for distinguishing prodromal PD individuals from neurologically healthy controls. Moreover, immune stimulation reveals deficits in CD8+ T-cell mitochondrial health in moderate PD, with relative mitochondrial health in CD8+ T cells being positively correlated with stimulation-dependent secretion of IL-1β, IL-8, and IL-10 in T cells from prodromal PD subjects. Dysregulated mitochondrial health in immune cells may contribute to peripheral inflammation and PD progression, and ex vivo stimulation-based assays have the potential to reveal novel biomarkers for patient stratification and progression with immune endophenotypes.

Second, our finding that T cell mitochondrial health correlates with stimulation-dependent cytokine secretion in prodromal PD patients reveals a novel target for therapeutic intervention. Early intervention to rescue mitochondrial deficits may help mitigate excessive inflammation prior to the development of motor PD, while in advanced stages it may be a crucial target to combat immune exhaustion or senescence.

@John_Hemming

Some WBCs swap mitochondria with somatic cells. From this it could be seen they are swapping with brain cells.

Imipramine

Very interesting mechanistically with recent data showing it can upregulate VMAT2 protein, possibly by acting as a pharmacological chaperone. See Tricyclic and tetracyclic antidepressants upregulate VMAT2 activity and rescue disease-causing VMAT2 variants

VMAT2 transcript and protein levels appear to decrease in PD, see Vesicular monoamine transporter 2 mRNA levels are reduced

DA is rapidly autoxidized in a pH-sensitive manner, so vesicular sequestration via VMAT2 is essential for maintaining stable pools of releasable DA. This autoxidation is normally prevented by MAO metabolism of DA, which conserves energy by passing the electrons obtained via deamination into the ETC. See Dopamine metabolism by a monoamine oxidase mitochondrial shuttle activates the electron transport chain

You have to wonder if reduced VMAT2 levels as appears to happen in PD would promote increased cytosolic lifetime of individual DA molecules, promoting either autoxidation/cytosolic oxidative stress and/or increased MAO throughput/overload of the soluble mitochondrial electron carriers/mitochondrial oxidative stress.

Also see Monoamine Reuptake Inhibitors in Parkinson’s Disease

Imipramine is a selective SERT inhibitor that binds with moderate affinity to both DAT and NET (Table 1). Imipramine displays high affinity for β, 5-HT2A, 5-HT1A, H1, M, and σ 1receptors and exhibits moderate affinity for σ 2 receptors (Kd of 0.31, 0.34, 2.24, 26, 85, 343, and 2,107 nM, resp.) [129, 234237]. The chemical formula of imipramine is depicted in Figure 1.

In the 6-OHDA-lesioned rat, imipramine (10 mg/kg i.p.) improved the performance at the forced swim test, a model of depression-like behaviour [238].

The binding of [3H]-imipramine in thrombocytes of PD patients was assessed. Binding levels were significantly lower in depressed PD patients than in healthy controls, but no difference was found between depressed and nondepressed PD patients or between nondepressed PD patients and controls [239]. Another study, however, found decreased [3H]-imipramine binding levels in the thrombocytes of PD patients compared to age-matched normal individuals [240], whereas another one did not find any difference between PD patients and normal controls [241]. Another study employing [3H]-imipramine found reduced binding levels in the putamen of PD patients [242]. [3H]-Imipramine binding levels were also reduced in the putamen and prefrontal cortex of PD patients when compared to normal individuals [243].

In a case-report, a 69-year-old PD patient with depression was put on imipramine (125 mg p.o. id) as monotherapy. Imipramine improved tremor and depressive symptoms [244].

In a case-series of 12 patients with postencephalitic, vascular, or idiopathic PD, imipramine (50–150 mg p.o. id) had a favourable effect on parkinsonian features [245]. Imipramine also exerted a favourable effect on Parkinsonism and depressive symptoms in a small case-series of 3 PD patients [246]. In a case-series of 6 depressed PD patients, imipramine as monotherapy improved depression in 5 subjects and had no effect on tremor and bradykinesia [247]. In a case-series of 21 PD patients with depression, imipramine (various doses) alleviated depression in the majority of patients, without deteriorating Parkinsonism [248]. Imipramine also alleviated depression in a case-series 8 PD patients, without worsening parkinsonian disability [249].

In a four-month randomised, cross-over, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, 70 patients with Parkinsonism (5 with a history of encephalitis, 10 with cerebrovascular disease, and 55 with idiopathic PD) were administered imipramine (up to 200 mg p.o. id). Imipramine led to an improvement of depression in 60% of patients, improved akinesia in 54% of patients, rigidity in 42%, tremor in 28%, and hypersalivation in 57% [250]. In a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, imipramine (50 mg p.o. bid to tid) was administered as monotherapy to 8 patients with Parkinsonism. Imipramine worsened tremor in one woman with postencephalitic PD and produced no effect in two others. The 5 remaining patients (4 with idiopathic PD and one with postencephalitic PD) were improved. One patient experienced a sialorrhoea reduction, whereas one bedridden patient became able to sit and one wheelchair-bound patient became able to walk [251]. In a case-series of postencephalitic (N = 11) and idiopathic (N = 13) PD patients, imipramine as monotherapy variably improved motor and nonmotor aspects of parkinsonism. The efficacy of the drug for specific symptoms was different from patient to patient [252].

In an open-label, add-on study performed in 66 L-DOPA-untreated PD patients, 43 patients were improved by imipramine. Of these, 14 noted an improvement of depressive symptoms. Eight patients were on imipramine monotherapy and 6 of these experienced an improvement in Parkinsonism [253]. In an open-label, non-randomised, uncontrolled trial, 10 PD patients were administered imipramine (25–50 mg p.o. tid) with and without trihexyphenidyl. The majority of patients reported some improvement of tremor, rigidity, and bradykinesia following the introduction of imipramine [254]. In a nonrandomised, uncontrolled, open-label study, imipramine (100–250 mg p.o. id) was administered to 15 PD patients as monotherapy. Five patients did not respond to treatment, and rigidity and bradykinesia deteriorated in some of these nonresponders. Five patients improved mildly, mainly in bradykinesia and rigidity, but not in tremor. Five patients were markedly improved and regained some autonomy [255]. In a study of 8 patients with Parkinsonism, imipramine as monotherapy or in combination with trihexyphenidyl led to an improvement of depressive symptoms and rigidity [256].

In a case-series, imipramine (50 mg p.o. tid) was administered to 50 patients with Parkinsonism. 37 patients were improved. Bradykinesia was the most improved symptom. Cases of confusion induced by imipramine were reported [257]. In another case-series, imipramine (100–200 mg p.o. id) was administered to 15 PD patients. Parkinsonism improved in 12 patients. Three patients developed confusion [258260]. In another case-series, imipramine (30–40 mg p.o. id) was administered to 17 PD patients and improved Parkinsonism in the majority of them [261].

In a 2-month double-blind, placebo-controlled, partly cross-over trial, imipramine (total daily dose of 10–75 mg p.o.) was administered to 32 PD patients, 21 of whom were included in the analysis. Nine received imipramine as monotherapy. No formal statistical analysis was performed, but imipramine was deemed to improve bradykinesia and rigidity but had no effect on tremor [262]. In another study, imipramine (75–150 mg p.o. id) also produced an improvement in tremor and bradykinesia in 12 PD patients [263].

In a nonrandomised, uncontrolled study, dimepramine (50–225 mg p.o. id)—a compound chemically related to imipramine, with undisclosed pharmacological properties that is believed to possess anticholinergic and adrenergic/dopaminergic agonist effects—was administered to 9 patients with parkinsonism (3 with postencephalitic PD and 6 with idiopathic PD). Dimepramine deteriorated cognitive performance and impaired arousal. The drug also decreased autonomic arousal responses, as evaluated by electrodermic skin conduction tests [264].

All of the aforementioned studies were performed with imipramine administered either as monotherapy or in combination with anticholinergic agents. To our knowledge, no study was published in which imipramine was administered with L-DOPA. However, it is possible that imipramine might reduce the efficacy of the anti-Parkinsonian action of L-DOPA, since imipramine interferes with the absorption of L-DOPA at the gastrointestinal level in both rat [265] and human [266].

A study is published in Russian [267] and another one in Danish [268] in which imipramine was used included PD patients; the details of this study will not be reviewed here.

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Just published on PD and citrate: Application of IVDr NMR spectroscopy to stratify Parkinson’s disease with absolute quantitation of blood serum metabolites and lipoproteins 2025

Uni- and multivariate statistics were used to identify metabolism-driven changes under consideration of typical confounders such as age, sex and disease duration and set into context with clinical biomarkers such as CSF concentrations of alpha-synuclein, neurofilament light chain, and tau protein. Based on the different PD subgroups we performed a total of eight different comparisons. Highlights from these comparisons include increased citrate and dimethylglycine with a decrease of creatinine and methionine in healthy controls and early PD group compared to GBA, PD late and recessive PD. We furthermore identified decreased HDL-3 free cholesterol in genetic PD cases compared to sporadic subject samples (sum of the PD early and PD late groups). Considering medication, we found that the levodopa equivalent daily dose (LEDD) is mostly positively correlated with tyrosine and citrate in sporadic PD compared to pyruvate and phenylalanine in genetic PD. Cerebrospinal fluid levels of alpha-synuclein were negatively correlated with alanine.
Though our overall cohort was large, major confounders such as age, sex and medication have a strong impact. That is why absolute quantification and detailed patient knowledge about metabolic confounders, is a premise for future translation of NMR serum spectroscopy to routine PD diagnostics.

Further significant metabolites were higher citric acid (citrate) levels in late and recessive PD and ethanol, which had many missing values (below limit of detection) as displayed in the violin plot.

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Finally, we identified citrate and DMGly being higher in some but not all male groups.
Analysis 3: sporadic PD early and sporadic PD late patients can be distinguished by their blood citrate levels
We must note that the Sporadic PD late group is skewed toward higher patient ages, and therefore FDR significant results of citrate from the two-group t-test could be due to the aging factor. However, after analysis of covariance performance check, we found that citrate is not biased towards the PD disease duration variable, age, and sex; and its final covariate p value is significant (Supplementary Table 2).
It was determined, for our cohorts of patient samples, that citrate portrayed the strongest t-test significance result (with FDR-rate considered) at the level of pFDR < 0.0125
Furthermore, dimethylglycine and citrate were positively correlated (citrate – r = 0.25, PFDR < 0.01; DMGly – r = 0.25, PFDR < 0.01) with the calculated LEDD dosage.
In this aspect, citrate was higher in the late PD group (Fig. 4). However, when checked directly, we could not find citrate as the closest metabolite parameter positively correlated with LEDD.
Of note, we were able to see that blood citrate levels follow (by correlation analysis) closer to the factor of PD disease duration – leading metabolite, while patient age factor was positively correlating stronger with other metabolites in places prior to citrate (choline, TMAO, tyrosine, acetate, and dimethylsulfone) and also lipoprotein variable of HDL-1 subfraction signal constitute for apolipoproteins A1 (Supplementary Fig. 3).
Citrate, as any other our NMR parameters, did not meaningfully correlate to the MDS UPDRS-III patient data. Our determined value of correlation coefficient is + 0.013554 (r; Spearman’s; Supplementary Table 3).
Citrate as a metabolite of aging
Further results Analysis 1 showed elevations of citrate and dimethylglycine in other groups (PD GBA, Sporadic PD late, and PD rec) compared to controls and Sporadic PD early participants’ samples. Further studies with larger n-numbers have to support these findings. Overall, higher blood citrate might indicate increased aging. There may be a link also towards oxidative stress. Blood citrate was increased in blood of PD, progressive supranuclear palsy, and multiple system atrophy patients when compared to controls.
Changes of citrate refer to TCA cycle metabolism alteration, which (on par with other metabolic pathways) is one of several features in mitochondrial dysfunction and discrimination of Sporadic PD early and Sporadic PD late. Regarding that, our findings of higher citric acid levels in Sporadic PD late are not in line with another NMR-based study of PD patients and do not meet the direction of changes compared to the de novo drug-naive and advanced stage PD individuals. So, findings upon citrate remaining contradictory.
Our analysis found that there was no significant correlation between the blood citrate levels and the MDS UPDRS-III scores. Citrate and isocitrate did shown a certain tendency to be higher in aged population. This same preprint also found that citrate was higher in Dopa-negative idiopathic PD rather than controls, also there citrate correlated itself in a negative way correlation to the factor of PD severity. Interestingly, one paper suggested to collectively view PD-related evidence of citrate and also tyrosine metabolism alterations and linking into towards earlier investigations of PD in cerebrospinal fluid, blood, and saliva.
We noted another correlation of LEDD with blood citrate. Moreover, we found blood citrate to well discriminate LEDD-provided datasets of Sporadic PD early and late disease duration groups in the AUC analysis.

:thinking: Thoughts @John_Hemming?

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Pioglitazone failed in early PD. 2016.

Pioglitazone in early Parkinson’s disease: a phase 2, multicentre, double-blind, randomised trial

“These findings suggest that pioglitazone at the doses studied here is unlikely to modify progression in early Parkinson’s disease. Further study of pioglitazone in a larger trial in patients with Parkinson’s disease is not recommended.”

Therefore this association must be seen in that light. 2022. Maybe prevention in diabetics is different from established early PD.

Pioglitazone use is associated with reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease in patients with diabetes: A systematic review and meta-analysis

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967586822004337

“Pioglitazone administration in PD in diabetes patients is significantly associated with a decrease in the risk of PD.”

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In these weirdly written paragraphs (typos, awkward grammar, etc.) they cite different papers:

  • Metabolic profiling of Parkinson’s disease: evidence of biomarker from gene expression analysis and rapid neural network detection 2009: “The mean concentrations of galactitol, glycerol, methylamine, trimethylamine, ethanolamine, suberate, glutarate, malate, methylmalonate, succinate, acetate, gluconate, threonate, glucolate, ascorbate, isocitrate, and citrate were significantly decreased, while the levels of ethymalonate, pyruvate, myoinositol, sorbitol and propylene glycol was elevated in the patient samples. […] The key metabolites, such as myoinositol, sorbitol, citrate, acetate, succinate and pyruvate are significant in contribution for the separation between metabolite profiles of unmedicated PD patients and controls. […] More interestingly citrate, malate, acetate, succinate and pyruvate are significantly varied in PD plasma samples, contributes to the major distinction of PD from normal samples in PLS-DA analysis. These metabolites, such as citrate, acetate, succinate and malate were decreased, while increase in pyruvate concentration was noticed. […] The other intermediates of Kreb’s cycle such as citrate, malate and succinate were considerably decreased in this study, which may correlate to alteration of pyruvate dehydrogenase activity.”
  • Metabolite and lipoprotein profiles reveal sex-related oxidative stress imbalance in de novo drug-naive Parkinson’s disease patients 2022: “Additionally, we notice a marked decrease of ApoA1 lipoprotein and ApoA1 content in the HDL4 fraction, of free cholesterol in the HDL and HDL4 fractions, and of citric acid along the series CTRs>dn2PD > advPD. […] Other detected metabolites, such as citric acid, methionine, and N,N-dimethylglycine, playing important roles against oxidative stress damage, have been found downregulated in our PD groups. Citric acid alteration could explain the interplay between oxidants and energy metabolism in PD”
  • Comprehensive analysis of the cerebrospinal fluid and serum metabolome in neurological diseases 2024: “While CSF or serum concentrations of 31 metabolites increased with increasing age, serum concentrations of only 3 metabolites (citric acid, threonine, albumin) decreased with increasing age. […] Additionally, this metabolomic dysregulation has been linked to oxidative stress and cell death through the accumulation of citrate and acetate.”
  • The role of dopaminergic medication and specific pathway alterations in idiopathic and PRKN/PINK1-mediated Parkinson’s disease 2025: “Notably, we also found citrate and isocitrate, both part of the citric acid cycle, to be significantly elevated with increasing age. […] Last, citric acid was found to be elevated in l-Dopanegative IPD patients based on the nominal P value. No study to date suggests increased citric acid in PD, but we found a strong connection of its elevation with age at examination, which has widely been reported. Accumulation of citric acid, the starting point of the citric acid circle, could also indicate a shift from oxidative phosphorylation to increased glycolysis due to mitochondrial dysfunction, which we previously described”

I don’t understand much…

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Lots of things affect serum citrate.

I would think Parkinsons as it relates to a relatively small part of overall tissue has a lesser effect than other things.

Long thread, and I didn’t read everything but wanted to add a little. A bunch of random thoughts here so bear with me. Apologies as I had to remove the links to the studies as a new user but you can search for them easily.

Parkinson’s runs in my mom’s side of the family and both her and my grandmother had it. I’m autistic and have a lot of chronic health issues myself so I’ve done some research in this regard. Interestingly there does seem to be a relationship between Parkinson’s and autism ( High rates of parkinsonism in adults with autism | Journal of Neurodevelopmental Disorders ) and some genes are shared as well.

I ended up getting a full genome test on myself to try to dig into things. It was mostly more questions than answers but I did notice some flags that could indicate Mitochondrial complex I deficiency. I know a lot of people consider Parkinson’s/Autism to be a mitochondrial disorder, and I’ve always responded quite well to mitochondrial supplements.Interestingly a urine organic acid test ended up showing high levels of 3-Methylglutaric acid, which is associated with complex I/mitochondrial disorders.

My mom took a variety of things to help with Parkinsons but does take Levidopa/carbidopa so things have progressed further. The supplements did seem to keep things at bay for a long time though. Some things she used that I don’t see mentioned here too much:

TUDCA: Bile acids like this are getting more of the spotlight for neurodegenrative diseases:(Tauroursodeoxycholic Acid Improves Motor Symptoms in a Mouse Model of Parkinson’s Disease)
My mom takes high dose TUDCA, probably maybe 1500mg per day. It can be hard to find a reputable TUDCA seller and for her I believe . It’s unclear to me how much the taurine contributes to this or if prescription UDCA could have a similar effect. I believe my mom uses the bulk supplements brand of TUDCA currently and can confirm it’s legit (the bitter taste is a giveaway).

Buytrate: This can be found in many forms, tribyutrin, sodium buytrate, etc. My understanding is that this is an histone deacetylase inhibitor as well as helping heal gut permeability which is weakened in Parkinson’s. Studies have shown a relationship between vagotomy (removal of part of the vagus nerve) and decreased incidence of Parkinson’s. This lead to the Braak hypothesis, which is the idea that perhaps disrupted intestinal permeability allows substances to travel through the gut, up the vagus nerve and into the brain (Exploring Braak’s Hypothesis of Parkinson’s Disease)… Butyrate works well synergistically with Niacin, super interesting study here: Niacin and Butyrate: Nutraceuticals Targeting Dysbiosis and Intestinal Permeability in Parkinson’s Disease - PMC
The best site I have found that does a deep dive into Buytrate is this one, sadly now offline but archiving it caught it: Butyrate | The HSD

While my mom responds well to Buytrate salts in the product Butyrex (calcium and magnesium salts, not sodium as is found frequently elsewhere) I do not notice a difference. I did notice a difference taking Miyarisan (pain reduction and less “inflammatory” feeling, hard to describe.), which is spores of the Clostridium butyricum probiotic. This has been used for a long time in Japan but recently became trendy when the probiotic company Pendulum put it in their special blends. However it is very underdosed, as Miyarisan has about 4.5 × 10⁷ per pill at 9 pills per day, while Pendulm and pretty much any other company has much lower doses. I have seen the website Bulk Probiotics recommended and it does supposedly have it in bulk, but I felt uncomfortable not knowing much about the company who was offering it.

In my experience the effect of the Miyarisan can be boosted by taking Bob’s Red Mill potato starch alongside it. Although Bob’s Red mill denies that this has any resistant starch content, a study confirms that it does, in fact, increase fecal buytrate content and this is even in the absence of additional probiotics like Miyarisan: (Variable responses of human microbiomes to dietary supplementation with resistant starch - PMC)

The combination of TUDCA and sodium phenylbutyrate were approved in Relyvrio, a drug for ALS so this is a similar approach. It is unclear why this wasn’t looked into for Parkinson’s and I heard potentially there was some controversy around the efficacy of this combination even in ALS pts, despite it being FDA approved.

High dose Thiamine: A doctor in Italy was able to see some really astonishing results with high dose thiamine (B1). High Dose Thiamine dot org and New Developments in High-Dose Thiamine: The Legacy of Antonio Costantini - Hormones Matter . The protocol is 2g of Thiamine HCL a day or 100mg Intermuscular a week. My mom never tried this but I did try to experiment with it to see if it would help pain/fatigue. I ended up having side effects from it. High dose Thiamine is a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor at these doses (I guess this is possibly its mechanism of action) and that’s not completely benign. It’s unclear if you could get these effects by mega-dosing TTFD or benfothiamine. From what I was reading about 300mg TTFD may be equivalent to the 2g dose but I just am not sure if there is anything about the HCL itself that makes this trick work. Regardless I think it’s worth a try and fairly harmless and easy to stop if you have a side effect.

I’ve found a few organizations that have trained dogs to do a sniff test for Parkinson’s, to see if I test positive with them, but I can’t seem to find one that seems to be operating now. I am taking Astaxanthin, coq10, TTFD (Lipothiamine brand), and hoping to get back on high dose riboflavin soon. Not sure what else I would do for prevention if the dogs sniffed me out, perhaps low dose selegiline which I’ve seen some people use much in the way rapamycin is used for general antiaging. If anyone knows of a functioning organization that’s using the dogs let me know.

As an aside, I really enjoy using Perplexity.ai to study a lot of these relationships and learn more, although I found a lot of this information from my own research.

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An interesting post, it does appear that PD and ALS/MND are both linked to mitochondrial problems. This comes from damage to mtDNA. Because complex 1 has more mtDNA it suffers more.

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I just learned about another test in another thread called MitoSwab. Looks like Medicare could possibly cover it? If not they may honor a $250 self pay if asked.

Not sure how helpful this would be in my case but I have a lot of unexplained muscle weakness issues that I suspect are linked to complex i. Got laughed out of the room when I asked for a muscle biopsy test and apparently that is also quite brutal, they have to take a very large chunk of muscle under anesthesia, and it will scar.

Maybe it’s of some use the more research is done and if I end up getting diagnosed with PD down the line. Hoping something like Idebenone gets approved outside of an orphan drug and looked into more for these kinds of conditions.

I am not aware of evidence that points to problems with complex 1 in muscles them selves for PD.

However, I have looked at the question of links between CSF and the lymphatic system and there do appear to be links. Whether this results in melatonin being distributed that way is unclear.

My take on a lot of diagnoses is that they may well be distinctly different underlying causes in some cases. I’ve read a couple of meta analyses about things like Autism/IBS which are moving towards this interpretation of subgroups and phenotypes of disorders that have certain distinct features and characteristics under the main umbrella diagnosis.

My guess for Parkinsons would be that it’s similar and this looks to be the case:

In the end any disease resulting from mtDNA damage can be stratified both by the tissues to that are damaged and the quantity of damage. IMO that distinguishes between PD and ALS/MND (and aging … development)

The level of damage will causes changes in splicing.

I have looked for a paper that reports this, but not found one. I did read it this in a paper a couple of years ago.

I have done a few chatGPT searches using different engines and will share the link below. I am not checking the references rigorously, but it looks right. I will see if it produces a good link and if it does post one, but it is still working ATM. This is IMO established science anyway.

I did a further search for references

This is one of the papers it found
The Krebs Cycle Connection: Reciprocal Influence Between Alternative Splicing Programs and Cell Metabolism - PMC.