Longevity statistics

Misha Blagosklonny, father of Rapamycin theory died at 63, lung cancer.
Dr Alan S. Green, longevity and Rapamycin enthusiast, died at 81. Respectful age, but not near even close to 120.

Some people from CR movement,
Roy Lee Walford, the leader of them, 79. LAS. Also not young, but not even near 150-160, as pretended by cr-people, who looked on mice too much.
Tim Calmeyn, admin of their site. 52. unknown reason.

I don’t know what to say about this. God rest their souls.

But shouldn’t it be the worst advertising of any of these paths to longer life?

Ok, lets speak about not to moving maximum lifespan to the right beyond 120. But at least how to move just median HS and LS, to make the real thing at least approaching to it? Because I read a lot fantasies of how to extend maximum, but nobody even solve a lesser issue with maximizing median lifespan…Its very demotivating, to be honest…

What if scientists won’t pay any attention to DQF, Rapa and all that stuff at all? (personally i think that everyone who need to know - knows. And we see REAL runners to 120 and beyond, like Tramp and Putin and Xi and so on, who just won’t give the secrets of exosomes or whatever to public - because planet full of arch-old geezers on half-a-century pension checks is administrative nightmare).
We need to accumulate the main statistics by community, and don’t wait scientists. They won’t come…
Every time I see someone here at least 80+ - i think “well, at least he is 80+!”)
Give some hope.

Personally, I want to give senolitics and rapamycin a chance.
But i think that CR and exercises are surely done. Gone for good.

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not to mention Steve Perry who pushed GDF-11 dead at 66

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Don’t forget Jim Fixx, famous advocate of Running for Health… dies at 52 by heart attack…

N=1 are not the best place for good science :slightly_smiling_face:

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Are anecdotal deaths telling us anything meaningful?

When there are several - its statistics.

Unfortunately, both had lifestyles or pre-existing conditions that exacerbated their early demise.

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Biased, selective “statistics”.

Blagosklonny had pre-cancer from 1991. He thought that he lived so long with it undeveloped because he used Rapamycin.

Dr. Green had genetic family condition, some rare hypertrophy of heart. Same - he thought that he lived because of Rapamycin.

So, yes, Rapamycin may even earn some points in these cases, not loose.

What a brilliant minds they were! And big hearts they had! Truly, the loss for all humanity.

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No, they are not IMO. They simply tell us that life is precious, and we should live it to the fullest and do anything to extend it but be mindful (and humble) that there is no sure way of say making it to 100 or beyond. However, I think it is abundantly clear that a life of unhealthy habits is very close to being an early death sentence, barring very rare instances where a heavy smoker and regular drinker is still alive at 100. Mind you, most of his smoking & drinking bodies dropped dead decades ago (of lung and or liver cancers) LOL.

I would not be discouraged to continue and do whatever I can (and I know of) to extend my health-span and hopefully lifespan just because someone that might have been doing the same (as I) it just so happened they died young. Who is to say that N1 cases referenced here are 5 or 10 or whatever out of one million for example. We have plenty of opposite n1 anecdotal cases on the “70 is the new 30” forum where people who have lived healthy and active lifestyles are perfectly healthy and doing great well past 90 and some even past 100.

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