Life Expectancy in the USA (Bad and Getting Worse)

The population collapse panic is overdone as usual. Lower population numbers are not necessarily an automatic economic negative. GDP and wealth can continue to go up, even as the population numbers go down, so there is more wealth per capita. The graying of the population is a bigger challenge with more retirees per workers in the economy. But! As I continue to rail against straight line projections, the doomsayers are wrong again.

We live in a dynamic system. Any strong movement in one direction is liable to produce a countervailing movement changing the overall trajectory. Technology is progressing. Productivity is going up - or will accelerate - to more than cover the worker deficit and the graying of the populace won’t matter nearly as much to the economy. It will continue to grow, or if not, at least wealth per capita will. Robots, AI, and labor automation and industrialization means even elder care can be solved without increasing the number of workers per retired. As Japan is discovering, importing workers is only one - unimaginative old school - lever, and you can use other levers instead and instead of declining, you transition to a new economy that continues to serve the population better.

Mr. Malthus, please go back to your usual position in the corner and adjust your clown hat.

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Couldn’t agree more!

Alas,

If only you had been President Autopen’s immigration czar.

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Um, I actually think targeted high quality culturally compatible immigration is a huge boon. That’s what fueled America’s scientific and technological dominance. We scooped up the best and brightest minds from culturally compatible places when Europe and other places decided to get rid of their Jewish, Russian, Chinese or other bright energetic people. Their own goal, our gain. Now we are doing the own goals. Getting rid of the best and brightest, and promoting the dumb ignorant and useless, while closing the door on top talent from elsewhere, talk about reverse meritocracy. I do not think that’s a path to economic, scientific or any other kind of success, BWDIK.

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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/europes-top-causes-of-death-ranked-cancer-is-2/

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That’s very interesting. Looks like you definitely don’t want “other”, :rofl:…, but seriously, covid is surprisingly up there, vaccines and all. Also diet & metabolic diseases are not as high relative to things like respiratory (smoking?) and liver (alcohol?), surprising with obesity so prevalent everywhere these days. But look at that covid :astonished:! Unsurprisingly, most deaths are in the elderly, as it should be, short of war etc.

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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-top-causes-of-death-in-the-united-states-ranked/

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Jimmy Carr at his best philosophically

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After another week teaching high school science (been doing it since 1989) I struggle with the question as whether cultural factors - phones or environmental biological factors - chemicals are causing the decline in performance in my classroom. This morning Chatgpt reinforced the biological idea. Especially after I pressed it on how long the FDA has allowed self policing by the chemical industry. The answer was 8 decades since after WW2. That is plenty of time for a great deal of harm to be done.

Reply from Chatgpt
Certainly, here’s a more comprehensive list of chemicals associated with declines in IQ over the past six decades, based on recent studies and expert analyses:


:test_tube: 1. Flame Retardants (PBDEs)

  • Use: Incorporated into furniture, electronics, textiles, and baby products.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is linked to lower IQ and hyperactivity in children.
  • Recent Findings: Between 2001 and 2016, PBDE exposure contributed to approximately 162 million lost IQ points in the U.S., surpassing lead as the leading contributor to cognitive deficits (Chemistry World).

:herb: 2. Organophosphate Pesticides

  • Use: Widely used in agriculture.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is associated with reduced IQ and attention problems.
  • Recent Findings: These pesticides contributed to about 17 million lost IQ points from 2001 to 2016 (Chemistry World).

:brick: 3. Lead

  • Use: Previously found in paints, gasoline, and plumbing.
  • Impact: Known to cause developmental delays and cognitive impairments in children.
  • Recent Findings: Lead exposure led to approximately 78 million lost IQ points during the same period (Chemistry World).

:test_tube: 4. Methylmercury

  • Use: Present in certain fish and industrial processes.
  • Impact: Exposure can impair neurological development.
  • Recent Findings: Contributed to less than 1% of the total IQ loss from these chemicals (Chemistry World).

:lotion_bottle: 5. Phthalates (e.g., DnBP, DiBP)

  • Use: Found in personal care products, vinyl flooring, and some plastics.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is linked to lower IQ in children.
  • Recent Findings: A study found that children exposed during pregnancy to elevated levels of these chemicals had an IQ score, on average, more than six points lower than those exposed at lower levels (Mailman School of Public Health).

:test_tube: 6. Bisphenol A (BPA)

  • Use: Commonly used in plastics and resins.
  • Impact: Disrupts the endocrine system and is linked to delayed brain development in children.
  • Recent Findings: Studies have shown that exposure to BPA can lead to cognitive impairments and behavioral issues in children (Medindia).

:test_tube: 7. Tetrachloroethylene (PCE)

  • Use: Used in dry cleaning and as a degreaser.
  • Impact: Exposure during pregnancy is associated with aggressive behavior, hyperactivity, and psychiatric problems in children.
  • Recent Findings: Women working in occupations with high exposure to PCE have increased risks of having children with these behavioral issues (Medindia).

:test_tube: 8. Fluoride

  • Use: Added to drinking water and dental products.
  • Impact: High levels of fluoride exposure are linked to a decrease in IQ in children.
  • Recent Findings: Studies have shown that children living in areas with high levels of fluoride in drinking water have lower IQ scores compared to those in areas with lower levels (Guardian Liberty Voice).

:test_tube: 9. Manganese

  • Use: Found in drinking water and certain industrial processes.
  • Impact: High levels of manganese exposure are associated with hyperactivity and low math scores in children.
  • Recent Findings: Elevated manganese levels in drinking water have been linked to cognitive deficits and behavioral issues in children (Guardian Liberty Voice).

:test_tube: 10. DDT (Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane)

  • Use: Widely used as a pesticide until its ban in the 1970s.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is associated with lower IQ and developmental delays in children.
  • Recent Findings: Although banned, residues of DDT persist in the environment and continue to pose risks to children’s health (Guardian Liberty Voice).

:test_tube: 11. Polychlorinated Biphenyls (PCBs)

  • Use: Used in electrical equipment and other industrial applications until their ban.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is linked to reduced cognitive performance in children.
  • Recent Findings: Studies have shown that children exposed to PCBs in utero have lower IQ scores and developmental delays (Guardian Liberty Voice).

:test_tube: 12. Chlorpyrifos

  • Use: An organophosphate pesticide used in agriculture.
  • Impact: Prenatal exposure is associated with decreased IQ and memory by the age of 7, as well as structural changes in the brain.
  • Recent Findings: Research indicates that exposure to chlorpyrifos during pregnancy can lead to significant cognitive and developmental issues in children (Guardian Liberty Voice).

:test_tube: 13. Tetraethyllead (TEL)

  • Use: Added to gasoline as an antiknock agent.
  • Impact: Exposure to TEL has been linked to cognitive deficits and developmental delays.
  • Recent Findings: A study calculated that exposure to car exhaust from leaded gas during childhood led to a collective loss of 824 million IQ points from over 170 million Americans alive today (ScienceDaily).

If you’re interested in strategies to minimize exposure to these chemicals, I can provide information on safer alternatives and preventive measures.

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After some study I think it is the mtDNA germline. A point I have made to the US government and the Uk government. I will press this more firmly in the UK because I have the contacts, but it is a global issue.

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Problem is, ChatGPT will tell you a bunch of bullshit to keep you happy depending on the prompt you give it. It is sycophantic and wants to please you, instead of pushing back if you raised a bad theory or proposition. You need to take a much more adverserial approach if it gives you an answer like this.

So my question is: is it actually a base truth that we are getting dumber, or is that simply based on your observation? I ask because every single generation has said the younger ones are worse. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/29/history-generations-disagreements/) If you’ve been teaching high school since 1989, then you’re officially an old fart now (sorry) and you’ve reached the “get off my lawn” stage when you can start complaining about younger generations!! :wink:

So I asked ChatGPT Pro ($200/month version) to draw up an unbiased assessment. After some research, there are some conclusions:

  • 20th century: IQ test performance rose dramatically across much of the world (the “Flynn effect”). Meta‑analyses put the typical gain around +2–3 IQ points per decade.

That’s pretty amazing. As a species globally we’ve benefited from good nutrition, global peace and prosperity, eradication of a ton of childhood disorders, and an education system which has generally been improving. That has lead to decades of steady increases, which is an incredible achievement. By reducing child poverty, malnutrition etc, we allow people to reach their full potential.

  • Globally: IQ gains still appear in many lower‑ and middle‑income countries; the worldwide picture is mixed

However, there is indeed some truth to declines in wealthy countries:

  • Since the 1990s–2010s: Several high‑income countries show plateaus or decline in cognitive test scores and in large-scale school achievement tests (e.g., PISA, NAEP). These reversals are **not well explained by genetics; the best causal evidence points to **environmental factors.
    • OECD PISA 2022 reported an unprecedented drop across OECD countries vs. 2018: ~−15 points in math and −10 in reading on average (roughly three‑quarters of a school year).

Massively disrupting school during the pandemic caused a lot of damage, but some of the changes did pre-date the pandemic.

When looking at chemicals specifically, it seems that the evidence is not very strong for most of them. While some those chemicals have definitely been linked to low IQs - particularly if exposed in utero, the exposures don’t really correlate with changes in test performance.

  • The most solid evidence is for lead, methylmercury, certain organophosphate (OP) pesticides, and legacy flame retardants (PBDEs). Effect sizes in prospective cohorts are on the order of a few IQ points per typical exposure contrast.

However:

The sharpest drops in lead, PBDEs, and Mercury came before the test-score declines seen in the late 2010s–2020s. If anything, those exposure trends would tend to raise average performance, not lower it.

I would ask: why take the leap to assume it’s chemicals? It’s a convenient simple answer, but “environmental factors” can mean a lot of things. We have electronic devices distracting people to a greater extent, and distraction is massively detrimental to learning. Teenagers spend 5-8 hours per day on screens and they are sleeping worse than ever before. It also means they are less physically active, and spend less time reading. Childhood obesity is higher than ever before. All of those are going to negatively affect educational outcomes.

I would also venture that parents are busier and probably spend less time with their children, (and the parents are probably also addicted to electronic devices!) I’ve read anecdotes of elementary school teachers saying more kids lacking basic life skills, can’t put on their own shoes, some still wearing nappies/diapers. Those are failures of parenting.

I asked my ChatGPT to rank the most likely causes of drops in test performance, based on which have the strongest evidence. I’ve summarised the findings it came up with:

  1. Lost instructional time. Chronic absence from school
  2. Heat exposure, including lack of AC in schools. Massive negative influence on learning apparently
  3. Air pollution. Indoor air quality affects cognition and learning outcomes
  4. Digital distractions and attempted multitasking
  5. Poor sleep schedules in children, particularly adolescents
  6. Parental engagement
  7. Noise pollution (this one surprised me)
  8. Reading for pleasure has almost disappeared in children
  9. Poorer early-childhood education (pre-schools etc). Economic/time issues
  10. Economic stress, housing insecurity, food insecurity
  11. Lower physical activity
  12. Teacher quality, teacher shortages, teacher passion

Plenty of reasons other than chemicals IMO

Re: Flynn Effect

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Honestly, I feel bad for the younger generations. AI is replacing entry-level jobs at a terrifying pace. How is a college graduate supposed to make a living?

I was talking to a recent college grad about their job prospects. He’s been looking for a job for over a year and has complained that all the entry-level jobs in the USA required 5 years of experience. How does that work?

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I have to admit that I am struggling more than usual with school this year. I hope to retire and move on to an adjunct position in the Physics department at the nearby university. So, I’m sort of in reflection mode right now. I’m constantly looking back at the years in public ed. Although through the years, I’ve always critically examined what I’m doing in the classroom to adapt and remain successful. I could easily continue in my current position because of that trait and the fact that my students consistently score above the average on the state science test. This is what makes teaching an incredibly difficult job. Constantly having to examine and compensate for the abrupt changes in culture that we feel first here in the classroom For me it’s been drug epidemics, wars, financial crisis, pandemics, and now phones. My curriculum has gone from paper and pencil to complete digitalization with the ability to go completely remote, and lab activities have gone from stopwatches and meter sticks to motion sensors, accelerometers, interfaces, laptops, and graphing software.

I’m also a parent and both of my kids have passed through my classroom. My son is in law school and my daughter went to work for a survey company immediately after graduating with her bachelors in a GIS environmental field. However, both struggle with issues related to phones and social media. It was a real crisis for our family and nothing like I ever encountered with previous generations.

I’m usually quick to blame phones for the lack of attention in the classroom. But, after backpacking the Haute route from Chamonix to Zermatt this summer I began to feel like our physical environment in the USA might also be to blame for attention problems. Compared to the north american backpacking adventures that I have had there were so many more teenagers out on the extremely tough trails of the alps. Whole gangs of school aged boys and girls hiking at incredible paces up down the trails of France and Switzerland. The food and water we encountered was amazing. Everyday we were powered by wholesome dinners, breakfasts, and glacial water.

We got home days before school started (my wife teaches math) in total culture shock. I’ve never felt less ready for school to start with my perspective on health and society turned upside down. I’ve been trying to make sense of it in my classroom and as a parent of kids here in the USA. Hence, my consultations with Chatgpt.

Politics in the USA can’t be ignored as a major factor affecting children and school. Politics have played a huge role in the state of affairs in science education and education in general. Funding and autonomy have reached a new low. Now, as a result the profession isn’t very attractive and very few students are entering teacher training . We have at least 3 uncertified teachers in positions in math and science in my small school. We also were unable to adopt nation wide science standards because of politics. Climate change, evolution, vaccines, etc. are now all controversial to teach. I still cover these topics carefully, so I don’t get parental complaints.

Climate change is especially personal for me. I’m an avid cross country skier. I moved to the lake Superior region for the abundant snow and long winters. I ski everyday after school and have been dreaming of all day outings when I retire. Alas, climate change has different ideas. We now have marginal snow throughout the winter with much later start dates and earlier melt offs. Many races are cancelled every season.

If I’m having a “get off my lawn” moment it is because my lawn is poking through the snow in December when it should be a foot deep. :slightly_frowning_face:

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I think we may be turning a corner here… With future growth in life expectancy to follow…

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After decades of trying it appears telling fat people to move more and eat less finally worked!

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Seems like something every country should measure their success by… improving healthy lifespan.

China targets increasing average life expectancy to 80 years

By Wang Xiaoyu | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2025-10-24 11:32

China aims to increase the average life expectancy to 80 years over the next five years, up from 79 at the end of 2024, Health Minister Lei Haichao said at a news conference on Friday.

Lei said the target is based on an analysis of international development trends, current progress in healthcare, and the country’s overall national strength.

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