Ivermectin: the new wonder drug?

Arkansas, Idaho, and Tennessee have made ivermectin an OTC drug, with several other states considering similar legislation.

Has anyone here used ivermectin? For what purpose? How did you use it? What were the results or effects?

I used it once years ago, prescribed by a highly regarded GI doctor in Los Angeles to treat my bloating complaint.

I have persistent eczema patches, which Dupixent calms if the injection is timely. However, I’m unsure about using Dupixent as a lifer, as it’s costly, requires injection, and refrigeration.

I’m considering trying ivermectin, based on the theory that my eczema may be related to parasites or something viral.

There is little research on off-label use of X, but there is abundant anecdotal usage for various conditions, including by Mel Gibson.

Has anyone thought about giving it a try?

Some recent research on Ivermectin:

1. Ivermectin: A Multifaceted Drug With a Potential Beyond Anti-parasitic Therapy

  • Citation: King et al., PMC, Published March 11, 2024
  • Study Type: Narrative review
  • Key Findings:
    • Explores ivermectin’s role beyond parasitic infections, focusing on antiviral (e.g., human adenovirus, not SARS-CoV-2) and anti-inflammatory properties.
    • Discusses topical ivermectin’s efficacy in rosacea, reducing inflammatory lesions via anti-inflammatory and anti-parasitic effects on Demodex mites.
    • Suggests potential for combination therapies in inflammatory or infectious diseases but notes limited clinical evidence.
    • No direct mention of eczema, but anti-inflammatory mechanisms could theoretically apply to skin conditions like eczema.
  • Relevance: Relevant to your interest in ivermectin for eczema, as it highlights anti-inflammatory effects and dermatological applications, though eczema-specific data is absent.

2. Topical Ivermectin 1% Cream for the Treatment of Papulopustular Rosacea: A Systematic Review

  • Citation: Ebbelaar et al., Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, Published January 2020
  • Study Type: Systematic review
  • Key Findings:
    • Reviewed 7 studies (1,834 patients) on topical ivermectin 1% cream for papulopustular rosacea.
    • Found significant reduction in inflammatory lesions and Demodex mite density compared to placebo or metronidazole.
    • Well-tolerated with minimal adverse effects (e.g., mild skin irritation).
    • The mechanism involves anti-inflammatory and anti-parasitic effects, potentially applicable to other inflammatory skin conditions.
  • Relevance: Provides evidence for ivermectin’s dermatological use, indirectly relevant to eczema due to shared inflammatory pathways, though no direct eczema trials.

3. Ivermectin in the Treatment of Scabies: A Review of Clinical Efficacy and Safety

  • Citation: Rosumeck et al., Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Published April 2, 2020
  • Study Type: Systematic review
  • Key Findings:
    • Analyzed 15 RCTs (1,892 participants) on oral and topical ivermectin for scabies.
    • Oral ivermectin (200 μg/kg, single or double dose) was effective in clearing scabies infestations, comparable to topical permethrin.
    • Topical ivermectin is also effective, particularly for crusted scabies.
    • Mild adverse effects (e.g., itching, headache) reported; no serious safety concerns.
  • Relevance: Supports ivermectin’s approved use for parasitic skin conditions, relevant to OTC availability and your hypothesis about parasites in eczema, though scabies differs from eczema.

4. Ivermectin as a Potential Treatment for Onchocerciasis and Other Neglected Tropical Diseases

  • Citation: Crump et al., Trends in Parasitology, Published October 2021
  • Study Type: Review article
  • Key Findings:
    • Focuses on ivermectin’s role in mass drug administration for onchocerciasis (river blindness) and lymphatic filariasis.
    • Highlights its efficacy in reducing microfilarial loads and preventing disease progression.
    • Discusses emerging resistance in some parasite populations, calling for combination therapies.
    • Notes ivermectin’s anti-inflammatory effects in reducing skin and ocular inflammation in onchocerciasis.
  • Relevance: Reinforces ivermectin’s anti-parasitic and anti-inflammatory effects, potentially relevant to eczema if parasitic triggers are involved, though no direct link.

5. Ivermectin’s Antiviral Activity Against Non-SARS-CoV-2 Viruses: A Preclinical Study

  • Citation: Jans et al., Antiviral Research, Published December 2020
  • Study Type: In vitro and preclinical study
  • Key Findings:
    • Investigated ivermectin’s antiviral effects against viruses like dengue, Zika, and human adenovirus.
    • Found ivermectin inhibits viral replication in cell cultures, likely via nuclear transport inhibition.
    • Effective concentrations were higher than those safely achievable in humans, limiting clinical applicability.
    • Suggested potential for topical or combination therapies in viral skin infections.
  • Relevance: Explores off-label antiviral potential, indirectly relevant to eczema if viral triggers are considered, but no direct eczema application.

Notes:

  • Eczema-Specific Research: No papers directly study ivermectin for eczema. The anti-inflammatory and anti-parasitic effects in rosacea (Ebbelaar et al., 2020) and onchocerciasis (Crump et al., 2021) suggest theoretical relevance, but clinical trials are needed to confirm efficacy for eczema.
  • Parasite Hypothesis: Your interest in parasites as a potential eczema trigger aligns with ivermectin’s use in scabies and onchocerciasis, but no evidence links eczema to parasitic causes in most cases.
  • Off-Label Use: King et al. (2024) and Jans et al. (2020) highlight ivermectin’s exploration for non-parasitic conditions, but data remains preclinical or limited, supporting caution for OTC use.
  • Sources: All papers are from peer-reviewed journals (e.g., PubMed, Cochrane, J Am Acad Dermatol). X posts were excluded due to lack of verifiable citations.
  • Limitations: Few recent non-COVID-19 studies exist, as research has been dominated by COVID-19 controversies. Older studies on parasitic diseases remain relevant for approved uses.
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Yeah. As I was reading this, I was struck by the fact that in this text, there were no studies cited that were prior to 2020 that were not related to ivermectin primary indication: parasitic conditions. Surprise, surprise. I think that timeline says it all. And citing Mel Gibson in any context outside of the film industry seriously undermines credibility. But hey, if someone believes it’s helpful for their health, that’s all that matters. YMMV.

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I wouldn’t call it a wonder drug but there’s no reason for you not to try it. It’s very safe. I’ve taken double or triple the dose on the jug for livestock and had no side effects. My daughter with cancer got a prescription from her integrative doc to use it at a massive dose 3 times a day for a month or so and had no trouble. Swallow it, rub it on, let us know. No reason to not try.

I did see a research paper before Covid that made it look like it was an antiviral. It was used against HSV and a bunch of stuff we vaccinate against. I thought I’d never get sick again, then got the flu, tried ivermectin and still suffered. Lol

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There was notable interest in this very safe drug prior to Covid. Sadly, it was largely unavailable during the pandemic. A nature article from 2017:

“Today, ivermectin is continuing to surprise and excite scientists, offering more and more promise to help improve global public health by treating a diverse range of diseases, with its unexpected potential as an antibacterial, antiviral and anti-cancer agent being particularly extraordinary.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

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Summary of Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations | The Journal of Antibiotics

I. Mechanism of Action

A. Neurotransmission - Targets glutamate-gated chloride channels, minor GABA receptor effects. - Causes neuronal hyperpolarization, paralyzing parasite muscles, leading to death. B. Safety - Safe for vertebrates; cannot cross blood-brain barrier. - Effective against microfilariae (98% reduction), less so on adult worms. C. Immunoregulation - Rapid microfilarial clearance via suppression of parasite immune evasion.

II. Pharmacokinetics

A. Absorption - Widely distributed due to high lipid solubility. - Peak plasma ~4h, half-life ~12h, with enterohepatic recycling. B. Efficacy - Microfilarial loads drop 78% in 2 days, 98% in 2 weeks, stay low ~12 months.

III. Current Uses

A. Indications - Treats onchocerciasis, strongyloidiasis, lymphatic filariasis. B. Administration - Oral, rectal, subcutaneous, topical; safe with mild adverse events.

IV. Emerging Applications

A. Parasitic Diseases - Effective for myiasis, trichinosis, schistosomiasis. B. Vector Control - Kills malaria, leishmaniasis, trypanosomiasis vectors. C. Other Diseases - Malaria: Kills mosquitoes, inhibits parasites. - Rosacea: Anti-inflammatory for Demodex mites. - Asthma, epilepsy, neurological disorders: Potential benefits. - Antiviral: Inhibits dengue, HIV, others. - Antibacterial: Active against Chlamydia, mycobacteria. - Anti-Cancer: Inhibits tumor growth, enhances chemotherapy.

V. Novel Delivery

  • Current: Tablets, injectables, topicals.

  • Future: Patches, slow-release, impregnated materials for enhanced efficacy.

VI. Conclusion

  • Ivermectin is a versatile drug with expanding potential for parasitic, vector-borne, inflammatory, viral, bacterial, and cancer treatments, bolstered by new delivery innovations.
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Got me a pile as soon as the medical establishment told us it is no good. Always a giveaway, same with DMSO and others. They truly are systemic evil. Works against viral infections, no “long covid” side effects, no young athletes suddenly having “heart stopping” “medical events” from ivermectin either. :wink:

Only problem is that also beneficial helminths are killed. So only take it if you really need to.

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Sure, zero risk of serious side effects except those noted below:

I very much agree with the advice “only use it if you need it”.

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Am also worried about taking out my good microbiomes?

Have not had that worry, here’s what the AI says:

Ivermectin appears to have minor and temporary effects on the gut microbiome, according to research. A study using a simulator of the human intestinal microbial ecosystem found that ivermectin did not cause significant dysbiosis or adverse effects when administered to healthy adults. Interestingly, the presence of soluble fiber in the diet seemed to protect the gut microbiota from ivermectin’s influence, even leading to an increase in short-chain fatty acid production.

There has also been speculation that ivermectin might promote bifidobacteria, potentially boosting immunity, but this hypothesis has been flagged for concerns and is under investigation.

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When I had Covid, I drank a cup of bleach. It knocked out the virus and turned my poop white.

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I took 12mg of IVM a day for years. Used it to keep from getting sick while traveling, gave me a mood boost/lowered anxiety, and made my face look younger. Hard to describe that last one.

I read something about it potentially impacting fertility. Took a sperm test and found I did show lower motility and count. So nixed it while I and the wife try and get pregnant

I would consider going back on it down the line.

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This is an interesting topic to read if interested in Ivermectin;

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Without getting into the politics of IVM, just a word of caution. It CAN cross the blood brain barrier if that barrier is ‘leaky’ which happens often with other infections, trauma, dysbiosis etc. And it can have major side effects once in the brain.

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What helminth parasites are beneficial?

Helminths help with autoimmune issues so much that for many years now the evidence points toward them being actually coevolved benificial, period, and that a significant part of the autoimmune and autism epidemics in developed landa is based on us having pretty much removed them instead of, as is the natural state, all having a few. Look up “helminthic therapy”, e.g.

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pt.2012.02.008

I’ve seen what Stevens-Johnson syndrome does, it’s not pretty and the 10 year old I saw every 2 weeks for 3 months succumbed to that that one.

It’s quite rare from what I under stood back then, late 80’s.

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