Everything I do for Healthspan (and why I skip THESE Supplements) (Kaeberlein / Optispan Podcast)

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Executive Summary

In this end-of-2025 protocol update, longevity scientist Matt Kaeberlein details his personal health strategy, emphasizing a philosophy of “foundations over fluff.” Kaeberlein prioritizes the four pillars of healthspan—Eat, Move, Sleep, Connect—asserting that these provide the vast majority of health benefits compared to the incremental gains of supplements. He adopts a highly skeptical stance toward the supplement industry, citing misalignment of incentives and poor quality control. His personal supplement stack is minimal, focusing only on compounds with specific mechanistic or genetic rationales (e.g., Methylfolate for MTHFR variants, Lithium for dementia prevention).

medically, Kaeberlein is aggressive regarding prevention. He utilizes Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) for quality of life, SGLT2 inhibitors (Jardiance) for glucose regulation, and PCSK9 inhibitors (Repatha) for lipid management after detecting soft plaque. He remains a proponent of cyclical Rapamycin based on robust animal data (Interventions Testing Program), while explicitly rejecting Metformin for metabolically healthy individuals due to null lifespan data in mice and potential interference with exercise adaptations.


Bullet Summary

The Four Pillars (Foundation)

  • Alcohol Elimination: Removing alcohol from the home yielded the single largest improvement in sleep quality and overall health; strictly viewed as “empty calories.”
  • Dietary Rules: Prioritizes protein (salmon, poultry) and fiber (>40g/day). Utilizes “Keto bread” (Royo) to spike fiber intake without glucose spikes.
  • Zone 2 & Resistance: Daily Zone 2 cardio (30 mins) combined with resistance training 3-4x/week. Focuses on compound movements rather than isolation exercises.
  • The “Connect” Deficit: Admitting that social connection is his weakest pillar, he actively schedules time to nurture relationships, viewing this as critical for long-term healthspan.

Supplements (The “Incremental” Stack)

  • Skepticism First: Most supplements (Ashwagandha, NAD+ boosters, Resveratrol) are rejected due to weak evidence or contamination risks.
  • Lithium Orotate (5mg): Added based on epidemiological data linking groundwater lithium to reduced dementia risk and recent mechanistic papers on Alzheimer’s protection.
  • Calcium Alpha-Ketoglutarate (Ca-AKG): Takes Rejuvant (disclosed conflict of interest: SAB member). Notes mouse frailty data is strong, though lifespan data is weak.
  • Creatine Monohydrate (5g): Considered a “no-brainer” for muscle maintenance, with emerging evidence for cognitive benefits and energetic buffering in the brain.
  • Methylfolate: Added specifically to address a confirmed MTHFR genetic variant.

Pharmaceutical Interventions

  • Testosterone Strategy: Switched from weekly to daily injections to minimize hormonal peaks/troughs and control hematocrit spikes.
  • Lipid Aggression: Initiated Repatha (PCSK9 inhibitor) after a coronary scan revealed early soft plaque, bypassing statins for more potent ApoB reduction.
  • Glucose Control: Uses Jardiance (Empagliflozin) 10mg/day. Resulted in fasting glucose dropping from ~100 to the 80s and reduced A1C, despite no subjective feeling of change.
  • Rapamycin Protocol: Continues cyclical dosing (8mg/week for 12 weeks, then off). He dismisses recent influencer decisions to stop, citing strengthening animal data.
  • Metformin Rejection: Explicitly advises against Metformin for non-diabetics. Cites ITP data showing zero lifespan extension in mice and risks of blunting exercise gains.

Claims & Evidence Table (Adversarial Peer Review)

Role: Longevity Scientist & Peer Reviewer.
Standard: Claims are evaluated against human RCTs (Level A/B) and the Interventions Testing Program (ITP).

Claim from Video Speaker’s Evidence Scientific Reality (Best Available Data) Evidence Grade Verdict
“Alcohol impairs sleep quality.” Personal bio-data & anecdotal observation. Validated by extensive human sleep studies showing alcohol reduces REM sleep and increases fragmentation (Colrain et al.). A Strong Support
“Ca-AKG reduces frailty/improves healthspan.” Cites mouse studies & Brian Kennedy’s observations. ITP confirmed healthspan benefits in mice. Human data is limited to small trials (demethylation claims are controversial). D (Mouse) / C (Human) Plausible / Speculative
“Lithium Orotate (low dose) prevents dementia.” Cites epidemiological water studies & Nature paper (Yankner). Correlation in populations is strong (Kessing et al.). No RCTs exist for prevention using micro-doses. C (Observational) Speculative (Safety High)
“Creatine benefits brain/cognition.” Plausible mechanism (energetic buffer). Cochrane reviews show muscle benefit. Cognitive benefit is mixed but positive in stressed states (sleep deprivation/elderly). B (Emerging) Plausible
“SGLT2 inhibitors (Jardiance) extend lifespan.” Cites mouse ITP data (Canagliflozin). ITP confirmed lifespan increase in mice. Human data (EMPA-REG) shows reduced CV death in diabetics/heart failure. D (Healthy Humans) / A (Disease) Translational Gap (Likely beneficial)
“Metformin does not extend lifespan in healthy subjects.” Cites lack of ITP mouse results. Correct. ITP found null results for Metformin in mice. Human “diabetics live longer” data (Bannister) likely flawed/debunked. A (Negative Data) Strong Support (for stopping)
“Rapamycin extends lifespan.” Cites animal data (consistent). ITP Gold Standard: reproducible life extension in mice. No human lifespan RCT. Safety profile well-known but risks exist. D (Human Efficacy) Experimental / Strongest Animal Data
“Testosterone spikes cause hematocrit increase.” Clinical observation. TRT-induced polycythemia is a known side effect, dose-dependent. Frequency modification is a common management strategy. B Standard of Care
“PCSK9 inhibitors reduce soft plaque.” Personal scan logic. GLAGOV trial showed regression of coronary atherosclerosis with Evoelocumab (Repatha). A (RCT) Strong Support

Actionable Insights (Pragmatic & Prioritized)

Based on the transcript and the “Scientific Reality” assessment, here is the prioritized protocol.

Top Tier (High Confidence / Level A-B Evidence)

  1. Zero Alcohol Strategy: If sleep or recovery is a priority, eliminate alcohol. It is the most immediate lever for sleep quality improvement.
  2. Target ApoB Aggressively: If soft plaque is present, lifestyle is insufficient. Pharmacological intervention (PCSK9 inhibitors or Statins) is required to arrest progression.
  3. Resistance Training + Creatine: Combine 3-4x weekly compound lifting with 5g Creatine Monohydrate daily. This preserves lean mass and likely supports cognitive resilience.
  4. Fiber Saturation: Aim for >40g fiber daily. If diet prevents this, utilize psyllium husk or high-fiber substitutes (like low-carb breads) to support gut health and lipid clearance.

Experimental (High Upside / Safety Managed)

  1. SGLT2 Inhibition: For those with stubbornly high fasting glucose (>100 mg/dL) despite lifestyle optimization, SGLT2 inhibitors (like Empagliflozin) offer a mechanism to offload glucose and protect kidneys/heart, though longevity benefits in healthy humans are extrapolated from mice.
  2. Lithium Orotate (Micro-dose): Taking 1-5mg of Lithium Orotate is a low-risk, potential high-reward intervention for long-term neuroprotection, mimicking natural groundwater levels in “Blue Zones.”

Protocols to AVOID

  1. Metformin for Longevity: Do not take Metformin if you are metabolically healthy and active. It offers no proven lifespan benefit in healthy models and may degrade your exercise results.
  2. “Kitchen Sink” Supplementation: Stop taking expensive stacks (Resveratrol, NAD+ boosters) unless you have a specific deficiency or biomarker you are treating. The “connect” pillar yields higher ROI than these compounds.

Technical Deep-Dive: SGLT2 Inhibitors vs. Metformin

The transcript highlights a crucial pivot in longevity pharmacology: the displacement of Metformin by SGLT2 inhibitors (Sodium-glucose Cotransporter-2 inhibitors).

  • Mechanism of Action: SGLT2 inhibitors (e.g., Empagliflozin, Canagliflozin) block the reabsorption of glucose in the proximal tubule of the kidney, causing glycosuria (excretion of glucose in urine).
  • The ITP Divergence: The Interventions Testing Program (ITP), the gold standard for testing longevity drugs in genetically heterogeneous mice, found that Canagliflozin extended median lifespan significantly (particularly in males). In stark contrast, Metformin has repeatedly failed to show significant lifespan extension in the same rigorous ITP protocols.
  • Physiological Impact: While Metformin works by inhibiting Complex I of the electron transport chain (increasing AMP:ATP ratio and activating AMPK), this mechanism can interfere with the mitochondrial biogenesis required for exercise adaptation. SGLT2 inhibitors lower glucose and insulin load without inhibiting mitochondrial respiration, making them theoretically superior for active individuals seeking caloric restriction mimetics without the metabolic penalty of Metformin.
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I wonder if any forum members are cycling rapamycin usage as Kaeberlein does. It seems like almost no one here is doing that.

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I watched a lot of his youtube videos in the last few years.
In these, Matt Kaeberlein has said multiple times that:

  • he did not start rapamycin primarily for lifespan extension
  • he noticed clear improvements in joint pain, stiffness, and frozen shoulder
  • those improvements enabled resistance training and regular exercise
    I can’t speak for him but I understand from the above that for him rapamycin functions mainly as a symptom-modifying intervention, rather than a longevity pill.
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I think there are several here that do this. This was what I did after I saw my lipids go up significantly after doing once-weekly dosing of 6mg.

Re: Kaeberlein’s cycling, 8mg/week for 12 weeks, then off. How long does he wait to resume?

However if speaking of Matt Kaeberlein, he also said something else about rapamycin inducing higher lipid and glucose levels. He said that in mice, this was a transient effect, and when the mice stayed on rapa longer term, that rapa induced elevation went away and the levels returned to norm - he was implying that it might be the same for humans. This “transient” phenomenon is common with a lot of medications. For example, SGLT2i when started can initially cause a decline in GFR numbers, and that effect can persist for several months before recovering and longer term slowing GFR decline. Being aware of such effects is important to avoid unneccessary panic moves and stress.

Of course if there’s some persistent undesirable effect, it should be addressed. The question is how to address it. Stopping the medication is only one of the options, and not always the best. That’s obvious - if for example you are taking a life saving cancer med with some undesirable side effect, you would not stop the medication, rather you would address the side effect. That’s my attitude to rapamycin. If - this is obviously speculative - rapamycin has great overall benefits, then I would feel silly stopping it based on some easily fixable side effects. FWIW, my glucose and lipid numbers were already elevated before I took rapamycin, and rapa did not further elevate them. But if I had normal levels and rapa elevated them, then I would definitely not stop rapamycin, instead I would take meds to lower those lipids and glucose, especially since research shows that you likely benefit from those meds even if you have normal lipid and (within limits) glucose levels. In fact, combining these drugs with rapa might even be synergistic and provide additional health/longevity boost beyond either of them individually (ITP lifespan extension shown when combining rapa and acarbose or metformin etc.).

Obviously, if there are unacceptable effects, you should quit the drug or adjust the dose or protocol.

MK himself does shed some light on the reason he cycles rapa. First he admits that he doesn’t have any solid reasons for cycling vs continuous exposure, but his reasoning appears to revolve around the precautionary principle. Research shows that a few months on rapa - as in cycling - the benefits of rapa in mice persisted for a long time after stopping rapa. If there are some unknown rapa negatives, say impact on mTORC2, then going off of it could be beneficial while the downside is minimal (per the mice persistent rapa induced benefits even after stopping rapa).

I myself chose to take it continuously, as I’m persuaded that rapamycin is a very safe drug, and I experience minimal side effects (some pimples, which eventually went away after longer rapa exposure). But due to external circumstances, I have had periods of regular enforced cycling of rapa, where I stopped it due to having dental implants installed, or recent ACDF surgery - currently I’m on a rapa break that will be some 4 months long - I will resume once my spinal fusion is shown to be successful on x-rays. I used to take 2 week rapa breaks before vaccinations, but after doing more research, I no longer stop rapa around vaccinations. Bottom line, for me, I see no reason to cycle rapa, unless forced by external circumstances - and of course I will reconsider even taking rapa at all should the research point that way. At the moment however, it’s full steam ahead😅! YMMV.

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I’m cycling it.
I know from my blood tests that my Neutrophils level is crushed with my fortnightly dosing regime so I periodically take a month or two off to let it recover back to normal levels.

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