I think there is an NRF2 thing in that to much exogenous anti-oxidants reduces endogenous production. I, therefore, only take a multivitamin twice a week.
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Short answer (TL;DR)
- Calorie restriction (CR) robustly lowers oxidative stress in almost every animal and human study that has lasted long enough (≥ 6 months).
- CR also blunts reductive stress—mainly by draining the extra reducing equivalents (NADH, NADPH, GSH, ubiquinol) that build up when nutrient supply chronically overshoots mitochondrial throughput. The evidence is newer and thinner than for oxidative stress but points the same way.
- Yes, you can be hit by both oxidative and reductive stress at once. When one compartment (or phase of metabolism) gets overly reduced, the electron back-pressure can spill over as reactive-oxygen bursts elsewhere—so the lab read-outs look “mixed.” Classic examples are poorly controlled diabetes and certain cardiomyopathies.
Below is the mechanistic deep-dive, with the markers you would see on an advanced panel such as Genova’s and where CR fits in.
1 How CR tamps down
oxidative
stress
| Oxidative-stress marker that drops with CR | Typical magnitude | Mechanism |
|---|---|---|
| Urinary F2-isoprostanes (lipid peroxidation) | ↓ 15–25 % after 2 years in healthy adults | Fewer electrons enter the ETC ⇒ lower mitochondrial ROS leak |
| 8-oxo-dG (DNA oxidation) | ↓ 20–40 % in rodent heart & liver | Up-regulated DNA-repair enzymes + lower ROS |
| Tissue protein carbonyls / protein-SSG | ↓ 15–30 % in aged mice | CR boosts autophagy/UPR and attenuates oxidative post-translational damage |
Key pathways: less substrate → lower NADH & FADH2 flux → Complex I/III run further from max → ROS generation falls; sirtuin- and AMPK-driven gene programs up-shift antioxidant and repair capacity at the same time.
2 CR’s quieter effect on
reductive
stress
What the newer literature shows
- NAD+/NADH ratio: CR raises the ratio by oxidising more NADH than it synthesises, both in yeast and mammals. In aged tissues the change is modest (≈ +15 %) but directionally opposite to the reductive shift seen in over-nutrition.
- Glutathione couple: Lifelong CR reduces absolute GSH ~10 % and lowers GSSG, so the GSH:GSSG ratio edges back toward the youthful middle ground instead of the extreme “> 200 : 1” seen in reductive-stress models.
- Ubiquinol fraction: Rodent studies show a 5–10 % drop in %-reduced CoQ after 6 months of 30 % CR—consistent with less electron congestion at Complex III. (Small human data sets point the same way but are under-powered.)
Why it happens
Lower calorie intake trims glycolytic and TCA flux, so fewer reducing equivalents hit the respiratory chain. Sirt1/Nampt signalling (activated by a higher NAD+/NADH) further turns down Nrf2, preventing the runaway antioxidant-gene expression that can tip cells into reductive stress.
3 Can both kinds of stress coexist?
Absolutely. Two common scenarios:
| Situation | Reductive-stress driver | Oxidative-stress outlet |
|---|---|---|
| Nutrient overload / diabetes | High cytosolic NADH (polyol pathway, protein glycation) | Reverse-electron transport (RET) at Complex I spews superoxide into the matrix and intermembrane space |
| Antioxidant megadosing or hyper-Nrf2 signalling | Excess GSH/NADPH keeps ER & matrix overly reduced | Glutathione-dependent RET and NADPH oxidase bursts leak H₂O₂, so lipid & DNA oxidation markers paradoxically rise |
Because different compartments (ER, cytosol, mitochondrial matrix) maintain unique redox couples, the lab signature can look schizoid: very high GSH:GSSG plus elevated F2-isoprostanes or 8-oxo-dG. Clinically this often presents as the confusing mix of fatigue, cardiometabolic dysfunction and inflammatory flares.
4 Putting it together for practice
- CR is a bidirectional buffer: by trimming electron supply it usually eases both extremes, nudging the cell back toward redox homeostasis.
- Watch the ratios: on follow-up panels, the fastest responders are
- GSH:GSSG → should fall into the 100–150 : 1 range
- NADH-proxy ratios (lactate:pyruvate, β-hydroxybutyrate:acetoacetate) → should drop toward low-teens.
- If you still see oxidative damage climbing while reductive markers stay high, suspect compartmental entrapment (e.g., fatty-liver mitochondria) or excessive exogenous antioxidants and rethink dosing rather than tightening calories further.
Bottom line:
Calorie restriction is one of the few interventions with evidence for damping both sides of the redox teeter-totter. But because reductive and oxidative stress can co-exist in space or time, you need a full-panel, ratio-aware read-out to be sure CR is doing what you expect in your own biochemistry.
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Yes—chronically “electron-heavy” (reductive-stress) cells are almost primed to fire off bursts of superoxide (O₂·⁻).
Below is the step-by-step chemistry of how the surplus of reducing equivalents flips into classical oxidative-stress ROS, plus the key experimental evidence.
1 Where the electrons pile up in reductive stress
| Reducing pool that swells | Immediate consequence |
|---|---|
| NADH / NADPH in cytosol & matrix | ↑ Electron pressure on Complex I, NOX enzymes, and ER flavoproteins |
| Ubiquinol (CoQH₂) in the inner-mitochondrial membrane | CoQ pool becomes ≥ 80 % reduced, raising ΔΨm |
| GSH in cytosol & intermembrane space | Thiol environment too reduced for ER/mitochondrial disulfide formation |
A high ΔΨm + highly reduced CoQH₂ is the textbook recipe for reverse electron transport (RET)—electrons flow backwards from CoQH₂ to the flavin site of Complex I, which leaks them to molecular O₂ as superoxide .
2 How the superoxide burst is actually generated
2.1 Mitochondrial reverse electron transport
- Substrate excess (succinate, fatty-acyl-CoAs, etc.) keeps feeding electrons into Complex II & ETF.
- CoQ pool becomes over-reduced → electrons push “uphill” into Complex I’s FMN.
- FMN radical + O₂ → O₂·⁻.RET-derived superoxide can reach 10-fold the rate of forward-flow leakage during ischemia-reperfusion and reductive-stress cardiomyopathies .
2.2 NADPH oxidases (NOX)
NOX isoforms deliberately transfer electrons from NADPH to O₂. Under reductive stress the substrate (NADPH) is abundant and some NOX isoforms (e.g., NOX4 in ER/mitochondria-associated membranes) are transcriptionally up-regulated by the same Nrf2 surge that drove the reductive state, further accelerating O₂·⁻ formation .
2.3 Endoplasmic-reticulum oxidoreductases
An over-reduced ER cannot form disulfide bonds; the unfolded-protein response kicks in and ERO1-α/β channels electrons to O₂, giving H₂O₂ and, via Fe²⁺/Cu⁺ crossover, secondary superoxide bursts .
3 Why reductive and oxidative stress can co-exist
The same excess electrons that keep glutathione, NAD(P)H, and CoQ in a hyper-reduced state will happily jump to any dissolved O₂ they meet.
If electron escape is sporadic (e.g., during a sudden energy-demand spike or reperfusion), you record paradoxical lab patterns:
- GSH:GSSG ≫ 200 : 1 and
- F2-isoprostanes / 8-oxo-dG elevated or mitochondrial ROS probes lighting up .
This is exactly what is seen in αB-crystallin and junctin-overexpressing mouse hearts: high GSH preceded a wave of mitochondrial superoxide and cardiomyopathy .
4 Laboratory & clinical clues that “RS-seeded superoxide” is happening
| Marker constellation | Interpretive note |
|---|---|
| Very high reduced-CoQ fraction plus high lactate:pyruvate plus rising F2-IsoPs | CoQ & NADH pools are stacked → RET leak in play |
| High NADPH / erythrocyte GSH plus up-regulated NOX4 mRNA (if tested) | Substrate-driven NOX superoxide |
| Suppressed ER protein-folding capacity (↑ BiP, CHOP) AND ROS markers | ER reductive block forces oxidase-mediated H₂O₂ / O₂·⁻ |
5 Practical implications
- Mild electron-sink interventions (lower calorie or carbohydrate load, mitochondrial uncouplers such as modest exercise or time-restricted feeding) can relieve the back-pressure that drives RET.
- Trim “blanket” antioxidant megadoses—they deepen reductive stress, giving more intermittent superoxide.
- Targeted NOX inhibition (e.g., GKT137831 for NOX1/4) is being explored where NOX-based superoxide dominates in reductive-shifted tissues.
Key take-away
Reductive stress doesn’t stay quiet.
When electron-carrying pools are too reduced, oxygen becomes the “pressure-release valve,” and the spill-over manifests as superoxide bursts—most spectacularly via reverse electron transport at Complex I and fuel-fed NOX isoforms.
So the simplistic idea that “more antioxidants = less ROS” breaks down: overload the cellular reductant pools, and you seed your next wave of oxidative damage instead of preventing it.
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