Crémieux: Viagra for Life Extension Does it work? I'm doubtful

BJ pushing tadalafil:

From: Bryan Johnson on X: "I take Cialis, but not for sex. It’s actually a longevity medicine. Cialis (Tadalafil) is great for the same reason it gives you fantastic erections… it improves blood flow. Studies show that Tadalafil… + 34% reduced all-cause mortality + 27% reduced major heart disease +" / X

Gemini Analysis:

The text provided accurately reflects the specific statistical findings and parameters of two highly publicized retrospective observational cohort studies evaluating phosphodiesterase-5 (PDE5) inhibitors.

The systematic, claim-by-claim verification of these data against the peer-reviewed literature is detailed below.

Factual Verification Audit

Original Claim Verification Status Evidence / Source Correction / Nuance
“In a propensity matched cohort of 509,788 men with erectile dysfunction, tadalafil over 3 years was associated with…” :white_check_mark: Verified UTMB News Release (2024)summarizing the Jehle et al. study in The American Journal of Medicine: “evaluated more than 500,000 men aged 40 or older diagnosed with erectile dysfunction… assessed outcomes over a three-year follow-up period.” None. The specific data points correspond to the TriNetX global database subset analyzed by UTMB.
“…associated with 34% lower all cause mortality, 32% lower dementia, 27% lower MI, and 34% lower stroke.” :white_check_mark: Verified (With Scholarly Debate) UTMB News Release (2024): “Key findings include: Mortality: 34% reduction with tadalafil… Heart Attack: 27% reduction with tadalafil. Stroke: 34% reduction with tadalafil… Dementia: 32% reduction with tadalafil.” While the numbers accurately represent this specific study, there is a distinct conflicting signal in the literature regarding dementia. The NIH-funded DREAM Study (Desai et al., 2022)analyzed Medicare beneficiaries and found no protective effect against Alzheimer’s disease or related dementias.
“Supporting cohorts show the same direction, including a dose dependent gradient: in higher risk men the top PDE5 inhibitor exposure quartile reached a mortality risk reduction of 49%.” :white_check_mark: Verified Kloner et al., 2023 in The Journal of Sexual Medicine: “In the main study cohort, men in the highest quartile of PDE-5i exposure had the lowest incidence of MACE… and overall mortality (HR 0.51; 95% CI 0.37-0.71; P < .001) vs the lowest exposure quartile.” None. A hazard ratio (HR) of 0.51 equates mathematically to a 49% relative risk reduction.
“No drug, tadalafil included, has a completed RCT with lifespan or healthspan as the primary endpoint…” :white_check_mark: Verified Consensus in geroscience and regulatory design. The FDA does not recognize biological aging or overall lifespan expansion as a primary registrational indication for a randomized controlled trial (RCT). None. Ongoing structural initiatives (such as the proposed TAME trial for metformin) aim to target multi-morbidity, but none have completed for lifespan endpoints.
“The mechanism is also coherent. PDE5 inhibition raises cGMP, improves endothelial function and NO signaling, and the cardiovascular event data line up with that pathway.” :white_check_mark: Verified Mechanisms reviewed in Patel et al., 2024 via PMC: “PDE5 inhibitors, by hindering PDE5, stop the degradation of cGMP, which subsequently increases its availability in the blood vessels and prolongs the action of vasodilating molecules such as nitric oxide (NO).” None. The downstream physiological mechanism supporting systemic vasodilation and endothelial protection is well-documented.
“Disease specific and healthy user bias cannot be ruled out… ED is itself a sign of vascular disease… wanting to maintain a healthy sex life in older age is a marker of relatively good health.” :white_check_mark: Verified Standard epidemiological limitation. Retrospective database analyses lack randomization. Authors in Kloner et al., 2023 explicitly note “the potential for residual confounding by unaccounted-for variables.” None. Further literature confirms erectile dysfunction serves as a clinical proxy for systemic subclinical atherosclerosis and endothelial failure (PMC4616558).

Key Knowledge Gaps & Data Requirements

To move tadalafil from an “observational candidate” to a validated longevity medicine, the geroscience community notes several structural data gaps:

  • The Healthy User Confounder: Men who actively seek out, adhere to, and out-of-pocket finance PDE5 inhibitor prescriptions regularly display higher socioeconomic markers, lower baseline frailty, and increased physical/social activity compared to non-users. Propensity matching mitigates, but cannot entirely eliminate, this survival bias.
  • Lack of Surrogacy Validation: There are no published data demonstrating that long-term, low-dose tadalafil regimen alters validated aging metrics, such as epigenetic clocks (e.g., Horvath, GrimAge) or systemic inflammatory scores (senescence-associated secretory phenotype markers), in healthy human subjects.
  • Required Data: True validation requires a prospective, multi-center, placebo-controlled trial tracking either the incidence of age-related chronic diseases (multi-morbidity free survival) or highly validated composite cardiovascular/metabolic biomarkers over a minimum five-year duration.

Logically, a higher dosage would yield better results, yet Bryan Johnson is reportedly taking a low dose of 2.5 mg. I’m unfamiliar with the specific literature guiding his decision; it could simply be a precaution against priapism.

The first cohort included 5,204 tadalafil initiators propensity-score matched to 18,565 alpha-1 blockers initiators. There was no association between tadalafil use and dementia risk

The second cohort of 133,336 patients with erectile dysfunction included new users and nonusers of any PDE5i. In a mean follow-up of 7.9 years, 8,631 patients were newly diagnosed with dementia. In a time-dependent multivariable analysis, PDE5i use was not associated with reduced dementia risk

We assessed the PDE-5 inhibitor tadalafil effect on plasma biomarkers of neurodegeneration in 15 individuals with type 2 diabetes post-hoc in a randomized placebo-controlled trial (ClinicalTrials.gov: NCT02601989) at Sahlgrenska University Hospital. Tadalafil reduced plasma amyloid-β 40 and 42 but not the 42/40 ratio over a 6-week treatment period

The Aβ42/Aβ40 ratio is the most critical predictor of AD pathology. While some observational studies suggest PDE5 inhibitors reduce AD risk, this is almost certainly driven by confounding factors.

My curiosity about PDE5i stems solely from Bryan Johnson taking Tadalafil—he actually just increased his dose from 2.5mg to 5mg. However, while researching the drug, I came across some compelling studies that the vast majority of people have overlooked. If he happens to be on this forum, he can DM me. It would take me exactly one minute to convince him to drop Tadalafil.

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If you can please write down that one-minute speech here, we’d all appreciate it! (I agree with you btw)

This has all been discussed a decent amount already. The dementia data is all over the place. The MACE data is not and that is a decent reason to take for longevity.

The ‘one-minute speech’ was actually just an erection joke. It was inspired by a specific paper, but given his personal background, I’m not entirely sure if the joke is appropriate, so I’ll keep it to myself for now.

That aside, I completely agree with your take on PDE5 inhibitors. Unfortunately, we seem to be in the minority here, standing opposite an international panel of experts. We’ll just have to let time prove who is right.

This study focuses on the third iteration of the Delphi consensus programme aimed at identifying new high-priority drug candidates for repurposing in AD. An international expert panel comprising academics, clinicians and industry representatives was convened.

Among the 80 candidates that were nominated by the expert panel, seven underwent review, with only three candidates meeting the following consensus criteria of relevant mechanisms for targeting neurodegenerative pathways, non-clinical efficacy, and tolerability in older individuals. The three agents were: [1] the live attenuated herpes zoster (HZ) vaccine (Zostavax) [2], sildenafil, a phosphodiesterase-5 (PDE-5) inhibitor, and [3] riluzole, a glutamate antagonist. The HZ vaccine additionally offers potential for population-level dementia risk reduction.

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Ok, one of the 3 medications chosen was a PDE5 inhibitor so help me understand why you think this article argues for your position?

Yes, it wasn’t tadalafil but your text says PDE5 inhibitor.

And some of the mechanistic arguments would apply to the class not just Sildenafil.

I actually think the majority opinion here is that this class isn’t helpful for dementia despite some earlier evidence. So why do you think you are in a minority?

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source: Matt Kaeberlein on X: "@cremieuxrecueil Wanna know what I am so tired of? I am so tired of armchair science commentators and influencers posting uninformed and misleading comments about longevity science. I understand the knee-jerk reaction, because there are plenty of irresponsible and sometimes dishonest people" / X

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Crémieux: Rapamycin is dead.
Rapamycin: I’m not dead. I feel fine. I think I’ll go for a walk…

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