Cold Baths, Age Issues, Autophagy and Rapamycin

Cold baths might shorten lifespan for seniors! Canadian researchers find it effective only in middle-aged men, while seniors may trigger inflammation. Rapamycin could reverse effects.

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Temperature-Dependent Relationship of Autophagy and Apoptotic Signaling During Cold-Water Immersion in Young and Older Males

Autophagy is a crucial cytoprotective mechanism preventing the accumulation of cellular damage, especially during external stimuli such as cold exposure. Older adults poorly tolerate cold exposure and age-related impairments in autophagy may contribute to the associated reductions in cold tolerance. The purpose of this investigation is to evaluate the effect of different intensities of in vivo cold-water immersion and in vitro cold exposure on autophagic and apoptotic signaling in young and older males. Peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) are isolated at baseline, end-cold exposure, and after 3 h of thermoneutral recovery. Additionally, PBMCs are treated with rapamycin and bafilomycin prior to in vitro cold exposure equivalent to in vivo core temperatures (35–37 °C). Proteins associated with autophagy, apoptosis, the heat shock response, and inflammation are analyzed via Western blotting. Moderate cold stress (0.5 °C decrease in core temperature) increased autophagic and heat shock protein activity while high cold stress (1.0 °C decrease in core temperature) augmented apoptosis in young males. In older males, minimal autophagic activation during both cold-water exposures are associated with increased apoptotic and inflammatory proteins. Although in vitro cold exposure confirmed age-related dysfunction in autophagy, rapamycin-induced stimulation of autophagic proteins underlie the potential to reverse age-related vulnerability to cold exposure.

Full Paper:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adbi.202300560

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https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adbi.202400111

The Effect of 7-Day Cold Water Acclimation on Autophagic and Apoptotic Responses in Young Males

Abstract

While cold acclimation can enhance thermoregulation in humans, the potential to improve cellular cold tolerance remains unknown. Thus, this work aims to evaluate the effect of a 7-day cold-water acclimation on the cytoprotective mechanism of autophagy in young males. Further, this work assesses changes in cellular cold tolerance by employing hypothermic ex vivo (whole blood) cooling prior to and following acclimation. Peripheral blood mononuclear cells are isolated before and after cold exposures on days 1, 4, and 7 of acclimation and following ex vivo cooling. Proteins associated with autophagy, apoptosis, the heat shock response, and inflammation are analyzed via Western blotting. Indicators of autophagic dysfunction paired with increased apoptotic signaling are prevalent at the beginning of acclimation. At the end of acclimation, autophagic activity increased while apoptotic and inflammatory signaling decreased. Although an elevated heat shock response is observed following cold exposure, this does not change throughout the acclimation. Further, improvements of autophagic activity are observed during ex vivo cooling along with a reduction of apoptotic signaling, albeit still elevated compared to basal levels. This work shows that 7-day cold acclimation elicits improvements in cellular cold tolerance in young males through enhanced autophagic responses concomitant with reductions in apoptotic signaling.14C

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Anyone know if it’s possible to do these autophagy tests? They seem to be based on blood tests?

Could great to optimize fasts, CR, ketosis, rapamycin protocols

The new study is at 14 degrees for young men. No idea how it affects other cohorts.

This is a summary with a specific master prompt, generated by Gemini AI. I had to ask Grok4-fast the forum format, which appears to be based on Discourse, then asked Gemini to transcribe the answer in a suitable manner. The second time around it seems to be better off. I find it is a frequent an issue to transcribe from the chatbox to the forums.

A specialized code format, such as Discourse BBCode or Markdown, is the most appropriate way to transcribe complex, structured information for a forum like rapamycin.news. Since Discourse primarily uses Markdown, I’ll provide the previous analysis in that format, optimizing it for forum readability with the inclusion of color and emphasis.
I apologize for the presence of the LaTeX math symbols (e.g., $\mathbf{10-15^{\circ}\text{C}}$, CD56$^{\text{lo}}$CD16$^+$) within the standard Markdown format, as they are not properly rendered without a LaTeX interpreter.

Here is the revised transcription in clean Markdown, with all mathematical notation converted to simple text for maximum compatibility on a Discourse forum.


[center]:microscope: The Effects of Cold Exposure on the Immune System: A Longevity Perspective :snowflake:[/center]


Executive Summary for the Longevity Enthusiast

The long-held belief that moderate cold exposure depresses the immune system is not supported by current evidence. Deliberate, short-term cold stress (a form of hormesis) is highly likely ($\sim 70-80%$ probability) to be beneficial. It primarily works by:

  1. Activating the Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS), which causes a surge of catecholamines (norepinephrine/epinephrine).
  2. Causing a rapid, transient mobilization of immune cells (Natural Killer cells and Cytotoxic T-cells) into the bloodstream, enhancing immune surveillance.
  3. Promoting an anti-inflammatory response through increased Interleukin-10 (IL-10).

1. Mechanisms of Immune Modulation

Cold exposure is a significant physiological stressor that triggers the ā€œcold shock responseā€ and acts as a hormetic stimulus.

  • Mobilization of Immune Cells: The surge in catecholamines acts on beta-2-adrenoreceptors on immune cells, causing a massive redistribution of leukocytes (white blood cells) from storage sites (like the spleen) into the circulation. This is observed as a temporary increase in crucial cells for fighting pathogens and malignant growth:

    • Natural Killer (NK) cells (specifically the cytotoxic subset).
    • CD8$^+$ Cytotoxic T-cells.
      This transient mobilization is interpreted as boosting immune surveillance (Source 1.1, 4.1).
  • Anti-inflammatory Effect: Studies, particularly those involving controlled breathing techniques alongside cold (like the Wim Hof Method), show that voluntary SNS activation leads to a significant increase in the anti-inflammatory cytokine Interleukin-10 (IL-10) and a dampening of pro-inflammatory cytokines (TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8). This suggests a potential therapeutic effect for conditions characterized by excessive chronic inflammation (Source 3.3, 3.4).

  • Cellular Resilience: Repeated cold acclimation has been shown to improve autophagic function, the cell’s ā€œrecycling system,ā€ which is a critical protective mechanism strongly linked to cellular longevity and stress resistance (Source 2.2).


2. Recommended Protocols: Water vs. Air

Optimal parameters are not definitively fixed, but consensus suggests the following effective ranges:

A. Cold Water Immersion (CWI) / Cold Showers

Parameter Recommended Protocol Technical Rationale
Temperature 10-15°C (50-59°F); Colder means shorter duration. Used to elicit the strong ā€˜cold shock’ and catecholamine surge. The key is to be uncomfortably cold, but safe (Source 5.1).
Duration (Per Session) 1-5 minutes. Brief exposure is enough to trigger the neuroendocrine and immune responses. Start with 30-90 seconds and gradually increase (Source 5.4).
Frequency (Weekly Total) ~11 minutes total per week, across 2-4 sessions. This is suggested as a minimum effective dose for sustained benefits (Source 5.4).

[color=darkgreen]Functional Benefit:[/color] A large-scale narrative review suggests a 29% reduction in sickness absence among participants who regularly took cold showers, indicating a tangible benefit to functional immunity (Source 1.4).

B. Cold Air Exposure (CAE) / Whole-Body Cryotherapy (WBC)

Parameter Recommended Protocol Technical Rationale
Moderate Cold Air 16-19°C (60-66°F). This sub-shivering temperature range is often used to stimulate Brown Adipose Tissue (BAT) activation, which has downstream metabolic and immune benefits (Source 5.2).
WBC -110°C to -140°C for 2-4 minutes. Extreme cold for very short, intense physiological stress (Source 5.2).

3. Strategic Timing for Longevity

For a 65-year-old dedicated to healthspan, timing is critical to avoid compromising training gains:

  • :white_check_mark: Do it: Early in the day for the catecholamine and alertness boost.
  • :x: Don’t do it: Within 4-6 hours after strength or hypertrophy training. CWI post-exercise may blunt molecular signaling pathways that drive muscle growth and strength adaptation. Separate the stimuli to maximize both immune benefits and musculoskeletal gains (Source 5.4).

4. Conclusion and Safety

Cold exposure is a powerful, non-pharmacological tool for enhancing resilience and modulating the immune system in a pro-longevity manner.

[color=red]Safety Caveat:[/color] The initial cold shock rapidly and significantly increases heart rate and blood pressure. While generally safe for healthy individuals, those with diagnosed or suspected cardiovascular issues (e.g., uncontrolled hypertension or arrhythmias) should consult a cardiologist before beginning a cold exposure regimen. Always start with a higher, tolerable temperature and a short duration, prioritizing safety over perceived benefits.

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By the way, I’ve started to use Gemini’s GEMS, which is similar to GPT’s PROJECTS, a very convenient way to work with different topics.
I’ve also found that GPT5 is starting perhaps to be congested. Complex prompts elicit a ’ I cannot respond now’ answer. If asked, the AI provides a nonsensical reason. Probably the reason is the cost, too many requests, a system to stop the ones with the highest token has been activated. Maybe.

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