Billionaire Longevity Escape Velocity (B-LEV): Is this going to be an Issue?

I think it depends on the type of longevity intervention. While some, like small molecules, do (even if they tend to start at very high prices, only coming down after going generic). Others may take many decades, or longer to come down in price. Plasmapheresis has been around for many decades - but when I went in and got 6 sessions the other year, the market price (I was in a clinical trial) was $30,000 for this therapy. What if the “optimal and effective” dosing was to do this every week throughout the year and the benefit was 10 or 15 years lifespan benefit. Most people wouldn’t do it, but it makes total sense for a segment of the population. This is just one example. Gene therapy… stem cell treatments, young blood transfusions,… I can imagine dozens of similar therapies that don’t scale down the cost curve very quickly, and would likely remain very expensive for many decades.

There could be many similar biologic or blood-oriented therapeutic interventions that provide some modest level of benefit (e.g. 3% to 8% healthy longevity increase) so wouldn’t generate a huge investment for mass scale and use, but which all added together could be a very compelling when combined.

All we have to do is look at the existing longevity therapy areas that we are seeing adopted and tested by people, and extrapolate from there. Some are cheap, but many others are very expensive and may not come down in price due to their customized nature, or highly manual process that isn’t easily automated.

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I think that if we knew it worked investment would pour in and costs would decrease rapidly.

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But “working” is rarely a binary thing… it’s on a continuum. They’ve been researching rapamycin for 15+ years in Longevity, and we still don’t know if it “works” though the evidence is getting better and better. And of course, no investment has poured in… for rapamycin.

If something “works” at increasing lifespan by 60% (and the data is in humans and large sample size) then sure, investment would pour in. But if something “works” at 8% or 9% in well validated tests, or 4% or 5% lifespan improvement… will investment still pour in to reduce the cost?, or do they just keep selling it in a highly manualized and expensive process with the hope that a better, higher-performing solution comes around that justifies a larger investment.

Its complex…

If the best performing longevity therapeutics that are discovered are small molecule drugs, then perhaps it has a greater chance of coming down the cost curve faster.

If there are a bunch of biologics that are expensive to produce, and show less spectacular but still interesting lifespan/healthspan benefits, then there is greater chance it will take much, much longer to ramp down the cost/volume curve.

You can see the dozens and dozens of companies working in the longevity biotech market right now… some may end up with drugs, some with services, some with biologics… so there will likely be a large range of price points, targets, and efficacy levels. For most people the decision on which therapeutics to try will be a careful cost/benefit calculation. But if cost doesn’t matter to you, you’ll be likely taking/testing/trying many more… if not all that come available.

https://agingbiotech.info/companies/

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What’s your solution to this ‘issue’?

I don’t have a solution for this issue, if it ever becomes an issue. I just wanted to get people thinking about it.

I could see it becoming a potential “objection” to longevity research; that “longevity therapeutics will eventually bifurcate society into the immortal overlords vs. everyone else”, because I suspect it has a reasonable potential of coming true given past trends, and it might be good to get people thinking about counter-arguments and solutions earlier rather than later…

https://agingbiotech.info/objections/

This isn’t the same as the objections its “only for the rich” or the “long-lived dictator” argument.

Prices will come down over time for longevity therapeutics, the issue is that some small segment of the population will always be adopting the most recently developed/best longevity treatments, and doing them at the highest possible level/rate/benefit so the gap between in lifespans of them and the rest of society will start to bifurcate. It’s sort of like if one group of people always had a much higher interest rate on their deposits at a special bank that nobody else could access. At some point I suspect this could cause some major societal stress and conflict.

Sometimes its interesting to do thought experiments, and this is the case for me in this instance.

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  1. Plasmapheresis sessions are associated with increased epigenetic age: Poster Issues for: 74th Annual Scientific Meeting of the BSRA (2025): The Biology of Ageing - BSRA - #28 by John_Hemming
  2. A plasmapheresis costs ~$2k in Turkey. The issue is the overpriced and overregulated US market.
  3. If it were really effective (comes back to 1), there would be a higher demand, and if the supply wasn’t artificially constrained by regulations, the price would fall.
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I was just using plasmapheresis as an example of a type of service that, if it was a good longevity therapeutic, had not gone down in price for many decades and which is an example of the type of service I could envision being used by longevity enthusiasts who are very price-insensitive. The same goes for stem cell treatments (up to $100K), gene therapy, etc…

Yes - things may be available off-shore, but there are trust and reliability issues insofar as mass appeal, though that can of course change.

On a different tangent, @matthost mentioned that he thought that “Both capitalists and governments are incentivized to mass produce longevity treatments.”… but I think thats too simple an argument.

In fact I’ve heard from many people they think that "longevity companies are going to price their drug quite low to appeal to the mass market and get as many customers as possible, or some such similar argument.

But this is a fallacy, at least (or especially) in small molecule drugs.

Every single longevity drug company out there today will be coming out with their new drug (assuming success in clinical trials) with a target indication that is NOT aging - it will be some orphan disease, or well defined therapeutic area etc. that they can use to get approval from the FDA and begin selling the drug for insurance re-imbursement. And, like any drug, these drugs will be priced at what the market will bear (i.e. high price) because they need to maximize profits for their shareholders. If these drugs are also to be used in longevity applications they will have to be sold (at least until “aging” is an indication) as an off-label application, but the price will still have to be the same as for the initial approval. It’s not like they can price the drug at one level for the orphan disease and another price for aging.

So prices are likely to be high for a long period of time… 10+ years. So during this period it’s going to be a drug for people who can afford that higher price. For example Everolimus was priced at $15K list price per month until it went generic.

So people hoping for inexpensive longevity therapies anytime soon are likely mistaken, unless they are generic drugs like rapamycin (which have the problem of getting good clinical validation). Even if a drug was approved today, its not going to go generic and get priced low for another 10 years or so.

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A prompt I’ve just done with CGPT5:

what would be the best profit maximizing strategy for a new longevity drug that could be used by anyone over 50 years of age in the USA. What would be the best price for the drug, assuming that for the first 4 years you would be someone volume limited (only able to sell to a few million customers due to manufacturing constraints that are typical with any new product), assuming the current income distribution in the USA.

Response:

Here’s a tight, profit-first launch plan under a capacity cap of only “a few million” US patients 50+ over the first 4 years.

1) Positioning & channel

  • Cash-pay first, payer later. With scarce supply, sell directly (DTC + concierge/clinics). Defer broad payer rebates until Year 3–4 when capacity rises; early payer access should be narrow/outcomes-based.
  • Outcomes + biomarker bundle. Sell the program, not just pills: baseline panel → quarterly tracking → telemed check-ins. That increases willingness-to-pay (WTP), reduces churn, and justifies premium tiers.
  • Founders/concierge cohorts. Invite only, limited slots, white-glove onboarding. Scarcity supports price skimming.

Why this works now: there are ~123–124M Americans age 50+ (2024–2025), far more than you can serve; median household income is ~$83.7k but the top decile rose while the middle barely moved, and ~41% of households earn ≥$100k—ample WTP at the top to fill limited slots. (datastories.aarp.org, The Washington Post, AP News, DQYDJ – Don’t Quit Your Day Job…)

2) Launch pricing (skimming with built-in segmentation)

Assume a chronic drug with excellent perceived value (preventive longevity). Set a high anchor, then offer “good/better/best” to self-segment without eroding the anchor.

List prices (annual):

  • Founders/Concierge$11,000–$12,000: priority supply, same-day concierge, advanced testing, travel clinic options.
  • Standard$6,000–$8,000: quarterly labs + telemed, 2-day shipping, outcomes guarantee (partial refund if pre-specified biomarkers don’t improve).
  • Access$3,000–$3,600: financing ($250–$300/mo), fewer visits, community support; released only if you have spare capacity.

Gross-to-net reality check: With limited payer leakage early on, assume ~20–30% gross-to-net (coupons, assistance, refunds). Thus $8,000 list ≈ $5,600 net; $12,000 list ≈ $8,400 net.

Why these price points?

  • You only need the top few million buyers among ~124M 50+ adults. The top 10–20% of households ($100k–$235k+) can plausibly afford $6k–$12k/yr for a high-status, healthspan product—particularly when financed monthly and wrapped with concierge services. (Top-10% household threshold ≈ $235k; top-1% ≈ $632k.) (DQYDJ – Don’t Quit Your Day Job…, Census.gov)

3) 4-year capacity-constrained plan

Goal: Maximize profit per limited unit, preserve brand, build real-world evidence (RWE) to unlock payers later.

Year 1:

  • Release Concierge ($11–12k) only; capacity ~300–500k.
  • Offer N=1 outcomes guarantee + founder badge; cultivate KOL case series.

Year 2:

  • Add Standard ($6–8k); keep Concierge at same price with perks.
  • Capacity cumulative ~1.2–1.5M.

Year 3:

  • Pilot outcomes-based payer contracts (limited geos) using RWE; keep DTC pricing intact.
  • Consider Access ($3–3.6k) only to smooth demand gaps or reduce waitlist.

Year 4:

  • Broaden payer channels selectively with ceilings on covered volume, preserving DTC tiers for price integrity.

4) Revenue math (illustrative)

Assume net price after gross-to-net.

  • Scenario A (high-tier focus):
    400k Concierge @ $8.4k net$3.36B
    300k Standard @ $5.6k net$1.68B
    Total ≈ $5.0B/year at ~700k patients

  • Scenario B (mixed tiers, 1M pts):
    300k Concierge @ $8.4k ⇒ $2.52B
    600k Standard @ $5.6k ⇒ $3.36B
    100k Access @ $2.4k ⇒ $0.24B
    Total ≈ $6.12B/year

  • Scenario C (value tilt, 1.5M pts):
    200k Concierge ($8.4k) ⇒ $1.68B
    900k Standard ($5.6k) ⇒ $5.04B
    400k Access ($2.4k) ⇒ $0.96B
    Total ≈ $7.68B/year

If COGS is typical small-molecule (low) and SG&A/R&D amortized, these net revenues can deliver >60–70% operating margins early. (Exact margins depend on trial amortization and service bundle cost.)

5) Price elasticity & income distribution—what it implies

  • Capacity-limited ⇒ use skimming. As long as demand from the top deciles > supply, raising price increases profit with minimal volume loss.
  • Where the buyers are: With ~41% of households ≥$100k and 90th percentile ≈$235k, you can reliably sell $6–12k/yr programs to a 2–3M subset without touching mass-market tiers—especially with monthly payments and FSA/HSA eligibility. (DQYDJ – Don’t Quit Your Day Job…, AP News)

6) Tactics to expand WTP without cutting price

  • Outcome-backed guarantee (partial refund if agreed biomarker composite fails).
  • Long-term value framing: “+$500k in lifetime health value” via avoided morbidity (white-paper).
  • Financing: $499–$999/mo options keep the $12k anchor.
  • Bundles: add biological age testing, DEXA, CGM cycles, recovery tech—costs little, lifts perceived value.
  • Waitlist + lottery to maintain scarcity signal.

7) What exact “best price” should you post on Day 1?

Given today’s income distribution and your hard volume cap, the profit-maximizing single anchor for launch is:

  • List price: $11,500 per patient-year (Concierge), with a Standard tier introduced later at $7,500.
  • Expected net after 25% gross-to-net: $8,625 (Concierge) / $5,625 (Standard).

This anchor is high enough to:

  • Fill capacity from the top deciles (even 0.5–1.0% of the 50+ population is >600k–1.2M people),
  • Preserve room for payer-negotiated down-tiers later, and
  • Avoid brand dilution while you’re supply-constrained.

If you want, I can spin up a quick sensitivity model (price × mix × capacity × gross-to-net) so you can pick the exact Concierge/Standard split that maximizes Year-1 and Year-2 operating income.

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What you call “off-shore” is for 96% of the world’s population “home”. The cost issue you point out is mostly a US issue. Unfortunately (or fortunately for the rest of us), if you want affordable off-label interventions, you have to leave the US (temporarily for a treatment or permanently) or import from outside the US. Today, the biggest issue isn’t affordability but the reliability of evidence.

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This whole thread is laughable. Worrying about the wealthy bogarting longevity is like worrying about overcrowding on Mars.

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If there is a supply constraint such that only a few % get it, then of course only the most powerful % will get it. That’s how power works and it is unavoidable. The only alternative would be if a politician mandates a lottery.

But the supply constraint is unlikely to be true for more than a short time. The demand will be overwhelming and thus so will the investment. Laws will be modified to enable mass production. Take shortage laws that allow compounding and the Covid vaccine development as examples of this.

Even ten years is a very short time in the grand scheme of things - we haven’t found a better intervention than rapamycin after decades of searching.

Everyone is aligned for mass production of longevity therapies. Governments and billionaires alike gain massively from the population being healthier and more productive for longer. Those who are able to provide the interventions at scale will be rewarded with massive profits.

C’mon, what is this? First of all, there are no longevity therapies - Bryan Johnson is the proof - and won’t be for a long time (humanity can’t get their act together to even properly test in humans rapammycin which has been around for decades). And the moment such a therapy appears - and is real - the political pressure will be so overwheming that the government will make it available to the enraged populace in no time. And the government can spend more money than any billionaire, and change laws to boot.

This is a silly thread. First get to Mars (longevity), and then worry about the nonexisting problem of overcrowding (longevity only available to the wealthy).

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Ah - but I’m not suggesting that at all.

I’m simply suggesting that:

  1. trends will remain as they are; that the billionaires will continue to get a disproportionate share of the benefits, just as in the current healthcare system (because they will get better access, adopt earlier, do more longevity therapies at higher levels, test more carefully) When in history, in what country, has this not been the case?

  2. Longevity therapeutics will bend the life expectancy growth curve up.

  3. Billionaires will bend be able to bend the life expectancy growth curve up faster and further than everyone else.

  4. Life expectancy curves (as shown in the first image) will likely diverge quickly.

Which of these do you disagree with and why?

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but this seems to assume an “Ozempic-like” scenario of a new drug that very quickly becomes identified and validated as a “longevity drug”. It’s pretty obvious when someone loses 25% of their body weight after struggling for years. Much less obvious when a drug has increased a person’s life expectancy by 25%.

If the longevity therapeutic market continues as its been going, we’ll likely see a range of partially validated approaches that are not 100% guaranteed to extend life, so there would not be the sudden adoption like Ozempic. How would we even know (today) if a drug does extend lifespan in humans? It would take a long time, or you’re relying on biomarkers… which also take a long time to validate.

What I suspect will be the situation is that we’ll have partial information for a long time. Just like with rapamycin, there will be a range somewhat validated longevity therapeutics that has a certain probability of success in some aspect of aging.

And what of it? The wealthy have always had some health advantages, and the sky hasn’t fallen. Look at the pathetic spectacle of Bryan Johnson. Sorry, I know he’s some kind of hero to some longevity enthusiasts - inexplicably - but if this is the best the wealthy can do, that’s not even a molehill out of a mountain. Random thrashings and lurching all over the place chained to offputting rituals all day long, no thank you. To the average person out there he’s a freak, not an enviable look, and to those really in the know (like Matt Kaeberlein), he’s a joke. There’s absolutely no evidence that he’s extending his lifespan or doing better than a well informed middle income bloke or blokette. There is nothing of value available in life extension to a billionaire that’s not available to average joe (not talking about the underprivileged, hungry or homeless). No, we have not settled on Mars. And we won’t for a goodly while. In the meantime the truly petty advantages in longevity that a billionaire has presently over the middle class (though well informed) person is a distinction without a difference. One day - one very, very distant day - when truly meaningfull LE becomes a reality, it will be available to all via government action.

This whole thing is not even a tempest in a teacup.

Peter Diamandis, among others, anticipates that AI could reach human-level intelligence within 1–2 years, and surpass collective human intelligence within 3–5 years .This rapid expansion could lead to widespread automation, especially in data-rich sectors like finance, logistics, and customer service. We’ll probably see mass unemployment in all sectors soon.

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@RapAdmin

Mostly I disagree with disproportionate and diverge. The gap in technology and healthcare available to the plebs and the elites has only reduced over time thanks to mass production and the incentives of capitalism. Today we have the same vaccines and drugs as the elites do through this mechanism. It is more equal than ever before in that respect, and there is no reason to believe that dynamic will change.

Regarding biotech development taking too long and being uncertain for longer. That’s a huge issue, I agree. That’s why all of us discussing here will probably die at a typical age, and discussion of “longevity escape velocity” by those used to computer technology advancement rates are wildly over optimistic. But it applies the same to the elites and the plebs.

@LaraPo

What happens when human labor value zeros is a different discussion. One that is actually scary, though there is reason for optimism and it may actually be tremendously good by providing abundance to all humankind. Longevity treatments don’t really change the situation there in my opinion.

Regarding “soon”. I like Peter and his optimism. He’s wrong on this. For better or for worse we are going to need human labor for a while longer. We are in the upper half of an S curve for current technology and a new breakthrough is needed for AGI. Progress is becoming incremental and more difficult. There is no way to forecast when that breakthrough will occur - it could be tomorrow, it could be in 20 years. Tech leaders are heavily disincentivized from being honest about this.

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An exception to the progress slowing is robotics. That’s just getting started and we’re going to see some amazing tech come up over the next 5 years. But it won’t be the AGI takeoff thing people like to talk about.

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Another take: Kamil (in Brian Kennedy’s lab) response to this issue:

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