Attia's Less Than Impartial Look At Organic Foods

Attia’s July 22, 2026 Premium Article, “Should you choose organic food?” is worth a read by those who are entertaining this question. The article is authoritative, well written, clear, and provides a good summary of most of the relevant science.

Beyond that, I recommend this article as an instructive example of how even a good article – one that has the overall appearance of objectivity – can bring a subtle bias to complex topics such as this and in so doing may lead readers toward conclusions that favor one perspective over another in a way unsupported by the best research. I’m not suggesting that Attia set out to write a biased article – from what I know of him, he did not and much of the article runs straight down the middle. To the contrary, Attia’s interjection of bias is common in scientific articles whenever they fail to apply appropriate safeguards.

If I had to summarize Attia’s bias in this article it would be that he applied standards of evidence differentially when unpacking what we know about standard and organic foods. A summary of his asymmetrical framework might be:

  • For evidence favoring organic food he required affirmative evidence to progress all the way from altered food composition, to altered human biomarkers, to demonstrated clinical outcomes.

  • For evidence favoring conventional food his standard generally stepped down to regulatory toxicology, mechanistic plausibility, animal data, absence of a strong epidemiologic signal, or the fact that exposures fall below regulatory thresholds (which sets up a circular argument).

I’ll touch briefly on a few of moving standards in greater detail. The most important slippage occurs between these propositions:

  • Organic diets have not been shown to improve clinical outcomes.
  • Organic diets do not meaningfully improve clinical outcomes.

The first generalization is well supported. The second requires either sufficiently powered negative trials, strong natural experiments, or persuasive evidence that the relevant exposure differences are biologically inconsequential, none of which are present in the body of knowledge on this topic. Yet, the article repeatedly acknowledges that outcome evidence is absent and then converts that absence into positive reassurance. Phrases like "choosing organic has not been shown to improve health” gradually becomes: “there is little reason to believe conventional exposure poses meaningful risk.”

While demanding direct evidence of clinical outcomes before crediting organic food with benefit, Attia accepts several lower-level forms of evidence as reassuring for conventional food:

  • No-effect levels derived from animals (generally short term)
  • Uncertainty factors used by regulators (potentially circular)
  • Residues below legal tolerances (potentially circular)
  • Lack of a large cancer signal in occupational cohorts
  • Mechanistic arguments (rejected on the other side)
  • Livestock feeding records
  • Absence of an identified biomarker
  • Absence of consistent epidemiologic associations.

These forms of evidence are relevant and potentially important, but they are not equivalent to demonstrating long-term safety in consumers. One need only live in the US for a decade to see the truth of this claim play out.

Overall, the article is a good read. It unpacks many issues of potential importance. This is the conclusion I would substitute for Attia’s as better supported by current science.

Organic production reliably reduces exposure to many synthetic pesticide residues and avoids routine antibiotic use in certified livestock. It may also alter selected phytochemical, contaminant, ecological, and resistance-related outcomes, although effects vary greatly by commodity and farming practice. There is currently insufficient evidence that choosing organic produces measurable improvements in clinical outcomes for the average adult. Evidence is likewise insufficient to exclude modest, cumulative, developmental, mixture-related, or population-level benefits. The strongest rationale for organic purchasing is exposure reduction and precaution, especially during pregnancy and early childhood and providing support for particular production practices.

This summary will not satisfy many organic food advocates – it does not satisfy me. Nonetheless, I think it summarizes the current state of evidence. I do think I may have left some evidence on the table with respect to the pointers of harm from some “safe” traditional food products. Perhaps someone can pick that up.

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If you can afford to eat organic food then I see no reason to avoid it. It’s likely better, even if just a little bit.

Certain crops and products have higher exposure to agricultural chemicals that may be harmful to humans and those might be better to consume organic.

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Choose organic as if your life depends on it… because it does. USA is way too lax with regulation. You don’t want to be a lab rat, you don’t want to be a guinea pig, therefore choose organic (if you can afford it).

My AI-based research: Organic Food Safety and Health Impacts - Google Docs

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  • Organic diets have not been shown to improve clinical outcomes.
  • Organic diets do not meaningfully improve clinical outcomes.

True on all accounts.
“Organic”, “Natural”
Bulls**t, meaningless terms.
Food is organic, natural doesn’t mean that it isn’t poison.

Fine, if eating “organic” “natural” food makes you feel good about yourself, good for you.

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The point @desertshores was that the second claim is unscientific and even a tad illogical – without merit.

The first claim – which is valid – does not rule out cases in which inorganic foods cause harm. One that sticks in my mind is a case in the 1980’s in which Temik (an approved pesticide) delivered 1,300 individuals across California, Oregon, and Washington to the ER in an acute cholinergic crisis within 30-60 minutes of consuming contaminated watermelons. These are outliers. Current investigations focus on long term health impacts, especially in the gut (herbicides) and with neurology (pesticides). I have no idea what truths will evolve over time and I’m agnostic about the process. The one mechanistic path that does get my attention and seems most likely to have legs is glyphosate herbicides altering gut microbes. This said, it is also possible that the residues on oats (where they are high) and corn will alter the gut environment in a favorable way.

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We don’t buy organic because it’s organic, it just tastes better.

One of our sons has an organic farm. He’s not a farmer himself, more of a land owner and talent scout. His partners Keenan and Ashley do the farming in this endeavor.

The produce grown is far superior in taste, which elevates ones appreciation for good food compared to the factory farm produce with much less flavour.

Not to mention the variety of produce that I’d never tried or heard of before.

Another friend of our has a much larger organic farm near where we live. He’s one of the more interesting farmers, a Phd specializing in chip design who worked at Blackberry doing primary research on millimeter wave systems. I got to work with him from 2014 to 18. He was part time developer and full time farmer at that point in his life. Still does part time electronic dev work for that company. His farm is very well managed with the best tech he can bring to the field. no pun intended LoL!

We buy his produce every weekend at the local farmers market.

Our sons farm

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Organic is a very well defined term in the US. It is called “USDA organic” for a reason.

Natural on the other hand is a lot looser.

Putting the 2 terms together as if they have equivalent level of legal definitions is just not correct. Speaking to Desertshores obviously and not RobTuck.

Pesticides have documented health concerns. There are 70 compounds that the EU has banned that we allow in the US. Are you feeling lucky? Or do you feel the EU health experts just don’t care about yield or cost - despite the fact that produce is cheaper in the EU.

Paraquat is so bad that it is banned is 70 countries. Who knew 70 countries could be more concerned about pesticides than the US? Yes Malaysia and China ban it. 13 states have brought it up and Vermont already has a ban.

I think the central question is do you think the decision making process regarding pesticides in the US is based on health risks exclusively or is it heavily influenced by industry?

At some point, risks are small and maybe too small to be concerned about. But then again, who knows for sure?

Perhaps we should discuss the 2025 article on proximity to golf courses and Parkinson’s risk.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2833716

Sure, the study has issues. But it still is compelling. Replication is in the works I’m sure.

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This is a great story and the taste issue – which I had ignored in unpacking Attia’s podcast – conforms to my and my wife’s judgment at least on a few products. With zero doubt, the organic chicken we purchase tastes much better. I’m also sure about blueberries but on many other vegetables, it is difficult to attribute taste differences, which normally occur, to whether the product is organic.

Congratulations to your son and his partners!

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Yes, some pesticides have turned out to be bad. But despite the increasing use of pesticides, there has been no decrease in life expectancy; in fact, the opposite has occurred, though they are unrelated.

In fact, without the use of pesticides to increase crop production, millions of people would have died. Countries like Brazil would be hard-pressed to feed their population without the use of pesticides

  • Brazil: Leading global consumer, frequently exceeding 800,000 metric tons annually. Intense tropical climates mean bugs and weeds thrive year-round, requiring high chemical usage for major export crops like soy and corn. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • United States: Consumes roughly 400,000 to 460,000 metric tons per year. It heavily utilizes herbicides and insecticides across the expansive Midwestern Corn Belt. [1, 2, 3]
  • China: Historically a top consumer applying roughly 200,000 to 390,000 metric tons annually. It relies heavily on high-yield inputs to feed its massive population. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Argentina: Uses around 240,000 metric tons. Like Brazil, it features highly mechanized, large-scale genetically modified (GM) soybean and grain monocultures. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • India: Applies roughly 50,000 to 230,000 metric tons. High overall volume is due to its vast expanse of arable land, though it uses very little per acre. [1, 2]
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I don’t think the organic is better argument is a rule. Pesticides are applied according to label and there are times to spray and times to wait before harvest on all chemicals. It is regulated and you can get into trouble.

They are used for a reason. Insects reduce yield and injure plants, causing disease and opening the door for fungus. Healthy plants produce better more standard fruit. So done right plants protected properly from pests by chemicals could be more healthy than organic. The differences could be small and the difference in cost could be large. Impossible for me to tell what is better and I doubt anybody could say honestly. My guess is that the flavor would have to be better in the conventional just because the plants are healthier and the chemicals are generally long gone by harvest time. Just my 2 cents.

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Lots of issues that impact flavor beyond the actual pesticide use.

Organic will tend to be travel farther and then be less fresh just because there are fewer sources. Not always true of course and my own organic garden tastes way better than anything from a store.

Pesticides and genetic engineering go hand in hand. I am no botanist. Some genetic engineering is so that higher levels of pesticides can be used. Some allow lower levels to be used. Generally, gmos are a net negative in pesticide use.

Genetic engineering and flavor is something that can’t be predicted. Certainly, we choose heirloom tomatoes for a reason based on flavor. Most breeding is a net negative for nutrition and flavor I suspect.

Wild blueberries vs cultivated are an illustrative example. Most people probably like cultivated more because the sugar content is higher but the nutritional content is lower (at least by the measures I care about). I doubt most breeding or genetic engineering is so.obvious but it is well established that breeding for more sugar and generally less nutrition is the rule rather than the exception.

Personally, I’d prefer less bred and less engineered which may go hand on hand with organic. Or maybe not always.

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Call this non-scientific, but in my mind it’s pretty simple… if you can afford organic and have enough “disposable income,” then buy it. If not, I wouldn’t worry too much about it as it probably isn’t going to move the needle much in the overwhelming majority of cases.

I remember receiving a raise at work several years ago and feeling great that I could afford to buy more organic food. I went from purchasing mostly conventional food to about 75% organic, where I still stand today. For the most part it is impractical for me to go for 100%, but if money/availability were no object, I would go for 100% organic.

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