Are we wrong about the perfect protein intake?

Yes, you can grow new muscle after 80.
I am not a big fan of watching long YouTube videos, but I think this one is an eye-opener of what is essential for building muscle after 80.

Many good points in the video are not covered in this short summary. i.e., **Undernourishment, not protein deficiency, is more of a problem in the elderly. Interestingly, resistance trainers actually need less protein than sedentary people. **
The explanation is at ~ 17.09.

Essential watching for anyone who has had a hip fracture or is taking care of an elderly person who has had a hip fracture. Treatment reduced death rates by 85%. The explanation is at ~35 min.

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This is an “umbrellas make it rain” level of correlation though.

A lot of the crappy food in the standard American diet is high protein. Hot dogs, sausages, burgers, bacon, fried chicken etc.

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That’s stretching it a bit, those foods are primarily high in fat.
I haven’t read the study what they meant by high protein and if it includes high fat foods.

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Well, they’re high in both, aren’t they? That would all come down to how the statistical corrections are done in any particular study. And my post was specifically in response to somebody saying that the high protein group had a 74% increase in all-cause mortality and 4x the cancer deaths, and that was enough evidence for them. The overall point is that there’s nuance.

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If calories are equal then the people eating meals with more fat and carbohydrates will have less total protein for the day. Calories can be adjusted via BMI or similar.

We should probably read the study for the claim.

Almost 100% the issue is really obesity and poor metabolic health. Most cancer before 65 is genetic or environmental, so that’s not really a concern. That study misses so much nuance.

I’d assume most people here try to stay in excellent metabolic health and crush their ApoB under 60 or hopefully under 40, so even with whole food animal sources, high protein diets lean heavily into the beneficial side of healthspan and lifespan throughout life.

I agree it’s probably better to eat fish and plant sources more, but very few plant sources score over 90 on the PDCAAS. It’s tough to eat quinoa and tofu in large enough quantities, especially if you want to get jacked. Thank God for whey and casein.

Calories are only equal if all macros are met and you are eating in a deficit.

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I’ve been interested in this topic for a few years. My conclusion is that there is no perfect protein intake that is the same for all people. It sounds obvious, but people keep providing numbers as if they were the right ones for everyone.
Of course, literature has been outlining the probabilistic nature of minimum protein requirement since a long time. This is the distribution of daily requirement in mg N/kg bodyweight/d, which is converted to g/kg/d protein by a multiplier of 0.00625. The distribution is taken from the WHO guidelines, based on the classical nitrogen balance study from Rand et al. Rand et al in their meta-analysis dated 2003 estimated a median requirement of 102 mgN/kg/d, equal on average to 0.64 g/mg/d, not an exact number since Jones’ conversion factor from nitrogen to dietary protein varies according to the specific foods.

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Bottom line is that, since we are dealing with a random variable, there is not a single protein requirement, rather there are various requirements, whose median value is about 0.64 g/kg/d whereas the 97.5 percentile, that is the cautious point estimate, is about 0.83 g/kg/d
Please note that, for a few people, the daily requirement is about 50 g N /kg/d, that is equal to a half the median requirement.

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Latest updates are the emphasys on amminoacids rather than protein, and on indices like the DIAAS, which evaluate biological availability (based on the limiting amino acid, the bottleneck) and the ileal digestibility.
Protein in vegetables is not the same as protein in dairy products or meat. Again, it sounds obvious, but other details are not so obvious, for example soy of all the vegetable food has the highest DIAAS, roasted pistachios also have a good DIAAS number and combinations of food like beans and nuts have higher DIAAS, due to the diminuished bottleneck factor (an aspect already previously known even though in a more qualitative way).

As far as I am concerned, I tried the gamut from very low to very high, almost Attia-suggested amounts. In myself, I found that the requirements are not so high, even when doing resistance training, unless training very strenuously and desiring to build up muscle mass.

Presently, I am decreasing the amount of protein as low as reasonably possible, but trying to include everyday foods with high DIAAS number, so that I’ve always some available and digestible amino acids in the system.

Bottom line: the perfect amount of protein for a determined individual is the minimum effective amount that causes no muscle loss, or causes some muscle growth when hypertrophy is desired.

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I’m talking about the adjustments in the study.

Still the same unless every participant was eating a caloric deficit. Probably need metabolic chambers too.

Basically next to worthless, but it’s hard to do better.

The concept of limiting amino acid(s) is pretty relevant to our discussion. What does ‘limiting’ mean exactly? I find the answer from Deepseek pretty educational

Q:
So, is the concept of limiting relative to a limitation in the synthesis of new protein in the body?

A:
Yes, absolutely. The concept of a limiting amino acid (LAA) is fundamentally tied to a limitation in the synthesis of new proteins within the body. Here’s a precise breakdown of the mechanism:

1. The Core Limitation: Disrupted Protein Synthesis

  • Primary bottleneck: When one essential amino acid (EAA) is deficient relative to the others in a meal or dietary pattern, it directly restricts the body’s ability to assemble new proteins.
  • Ribosomal “Assembly Line” Analogy:
    • Ribosomes build proteins by linking amino acids in genetically determined sequences.
    • If any single EAA is missing or insufficient, the ribosome cannot complete the polypeptide chain.
    • The limiting amino acid acts like a missing part that halts the entire assembly process.

2. What Happens Biochemically

  • Stalled translation: Protein synthesis (translation) pauses or stops at codons requiring the limiting amino acid.
  • Amino acid pool imbalance: Non-limiting EAAs accumulate temporarily but cannot be stored for later protein synthesis.
  • Catabolism (Breakdown): Excess non-limiting amino acids are:
    • Deaminated (nitrogen removed).
    • Converted to glucose (gluconeogenesis) or ketones.
    • Oxidized for energy or stored as fat.
    • Nitrogen excreted as urea.
  • Result: The protein’s biological value plummets. Energy is wasted metabolizing excess aminos.

3. Limiting Relative to What?

The limitation is defined by two interdependent standards:

  • A. The Body’s Immediate Demand for Protein Synthesis
    Example: To build muscle after exercise, all 9 EAAs must be present in sufficient quantities simultaneously. If leucine is low relative to need, synthesis stalls.
  • B. The Idealized Reference Pattern (e.g., WHO/FAO Amino Acid Requirements)
    This pattern reflects the precise ratios of EAAs needed to support human growth, repair, and function. A food’s “score” (PDCAAS/DIAAS) quantifies how its profile matches this ideal.

4. Consequences Beyond Synthesis

While disrupted protein synthesis is the primary bottleneck, LAAs also affect:

  • Repair: Tissue maintenance slows.
  • Enzyme/Hormone Production: Critical metabolic functions are impaired.
  • Immune Function: Antibody and cytokine synthesis may decline.

Practical Example: Lysine in Wheat

  • Wheat protein profile: Low in lysine, adequate in other EAAs.
  • After a wheat-based meal:
    1. Ribosomes begin building proteins.
    2. Lysine-dependent codons cannot be completed.
    3. Synthesis stops → Unfinished proteins are degraded.
    4. Excess non-lysine amino acids are oxidized → Energy wasted.
    5. Net protein utilization: ~50% (despite adequate total protein).

Key Takeaway

The “limiting” effect is relative to the body’s real-time requirement for balanced EAA pools to drive protein synthesis. It’s not about total dietary intake over a day—it’s about the functional availability of all EAAs at the moment synthesis occurs. This is why:

  • Meal timing/distribution matters (especially for athletes/elderly).
  • Complementary proteins (e.g., rice + beans) overcome LAAs by merging profiles.
  • High-quality proteins (e.g., whey, egg) deliver all EAAs in optimal ratios, minimizing waste.

In essence: A limiting amino acid is the weakest link in the chain of protein assembly. No matter how strong the other links, the chain breaks at the LAA.

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Sure, I love to share my experience with the microbes!

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Haha, I’ll take the time, bc it recharges me. For me, it is very meditative to take care of plants or microbes. I don’t have the time for an animal or a child. But in general I run 2 companies, so, I’m definitely not getting bored.

After A_User’s suggestion, I posed this question to GPT-oss. Pretty good reply. Recent literature suggests protein values >> than RDA, but what about the risk of cancer? GPT-oss yieldded more than I expected. The best AI I consulted so far, thanks for the tip!

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Are you aware of the studies that affirm higher-than-RDA protein intake may increase the risk of cancer (for example, VAlter Longo and other authors)? Any scientific credibility and rationale?

A:
Executive summary

There is a substantial body of observational, mechanistic and animal‑research literature that links high intake of animal‑derived protein (especially red/processed meat) to an increased risk of several common cancers (colorectal, prostate, breast, pancreatic). The signal is weaker or absent for total protein intake when the protein comes mainly from plant sources.
The most frequently cited human study that explicitly connects “protein above the RDA” with cancer risk is the Levine et al., 2014 cohort analysis (co‑authored by Valter Longo). That paper and a series of follow‑up mechanistic studies provide a plausible biological rationale (IGF‑1/mTOR activation, specific amino‑acid signalling, gut‑microbiome metabolites). However, the evidence is observational (not a randomized trial), suffers from residual confounding, and the magnitude of the risk depends on age, sex, overall dietary pattern, and protein source.

Below you will find a step‑by‑step appraisal of the key studies, the biological pathways that have been proposed, a critical evaluation of the credibility of the data, and practical take‑aways for anyone wondering whether eating “more than the RDA” of protein is a prudent or risky choice.


1. Protein recommendations – what does “> RDA” actually mean?

Parameter Value Typical intake in Western populations
RDA (USA/EFSA) 0.8 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (≈ 56 g day⁻¹ for a 70 kg adult) 1.0–1.3 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (≈ 80–100 g day⁻¹) on average; 1.5–2.2 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ for athletes
AMDR (Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range) 10‑35 % of total energy from protein (≈ 50‑175 g day⁻¹ for a 2 500 kcal diet) Most adults fall between 15‑20 % of calories (≈ 70‑100 g day⁻¹)
Upper safe‑limit No formal UL for protein, but chronic very‑high intakes (> 2.5 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹) are rarely studied in humans Rarely exceeded outside of competitive‑athlete or body‑builder diets

Key point: The RDA is the minimum to maintain nitrogen balance in a healthy adult; it is not a ceiling for health benefits or safety. Most epidemiologic work on cancer risk compares relative intakes (e.g., quartiles or % of energy) rather than “RDA vs. non‑RDA”.


2. Overview of the human evidence

2.1 Total protein vs. cancer – meta‑analyses

Cancer site Main meta‑analysis (year) Population Summary of findings
Colorectal Aune et al., 2018, Int J Cancer (13 prospective cohorts) > 1 million adults Higher total protein showed a modest risk increase (RR ≈ 1.13 for top vs. bottom quintile). Animal protein drove the association; plant protein was neutral or slightly protective.
Prostate Cheng et al., 2020, Nutrients (7 cohorts) > 350 000 men Animal protein (especially red meat) associated with ↑ prostate cancer risk (RR ≈ 1.20). Total protein not significant after adjusting for dairy/vegetable intake.
Breast Li et al., 2020, Cancer Epidemiol (9 cohorts) > 500 000 women High animal protein associated with a small ↑ risk (HR ≈ 1.09). No clear dose‑response for total protein.
Pancreatic Zheng et al., 2019, Gut (3 cohorts) > 300 000 adults Red‑meat‑derived protein associated with ↑ risk (RR ≈ 1.28). No robust data for total protein.

Take‑away: The strongest and most consistent signals are source‑specific (animal/processed meat) rather than “total protein > RDA”.

2.2 The “Low‑protein = lower‑cancer” study that cites Valter Longo

Study Design Population Protein exposure metric Main outcome Key numbers
Levine et al., 2014 (Cell Metabolism) Prospective cohort (NHANES III + follow‑up) + replication in Health Professionals Follow‑up Study & Nurses’ Health Study ≈ 13 000 adults (20‑79 y) % of total energy from protein (dietary questionnaires) Cancer incidence & mortality • In participants < 65 y, the highest quintile of protein (> 20 % kcal) had 28 % higher cancer incidence (HR ≈ 1.28) compared with the lowest quintile (< 10 % kcal).
• The same trend was not seen (and reversed) in participants ≥ 65 y.
• Serum IGF‑1 fell ~30 % when protein < 10 % kcal.
Levine et al., 2016 (Nat Commun) – Methionine‑restricted diet & IGF‑1 Sub‑analysis of same cohorts plus controlled feeding trial (n = 44) Same cohorts + 44 volunteers (controlled 8‑week feeding) Methionine intake (g day⁻¹) IGF‑1 & metabolic biomarkers • Reducing methionine by ~50 % cut IGF‑1 by ~20 % without changing total protein.

Why this study matters

  • Large sample, long follow‑up (median 20 y) and adjustment for many confounders (BMI, smoking, physical activity, total calories).
  • Mechanistic linkage – simultaneous measurement of circulating IGF‑1, a well‑known growth factor that stimulates proliferation and inhibits apoptosis in many tumor types.
  • Age‑interaction – suggests the effect may be most relevant while the endocrine/IGF‑1 axis is still “youthful”; older adults have lower baseline IGF‑1 and may benefit from modest protein.
  • Limitations – dietary intake was self‑reported, protein source was not always disaggregated, and residual confounding (e.g., higher protein eaters often ate less fruit/veg) cannot be fully excluded.

3. Mechanistic rationale (the “why”)

Pathway How protein (or specific AAs) influences it Evidence type
IGF‑1 / insulin signalling Higher dietary protein → ↑ hepatic IGF‑1 synthesis; animal protein, especially casein & whey, raises post‑prandial IGF‑1 more than plant protein. IGF‑1 drives cell‑cycle progression and protects pre‑malignant cells from apoptosis. Human feeding studies (Levine et al., 2014/2016); mouse models of tumorigenesis with high‑protein diets (Barzilai et al., 2016).
mTORC1 activation Leucine, arginine, and especially methionine directly activate the mechanistic target of rapamycin complex‑1 (mTORC1). Chronic mTORC1 hyper‑activity suppresses autophagy, a key tumor‑suppressive process. Cell‑culture (Sancak et al., 2008), rodent studies (Solon‑Biet et al., 2014) showing that a low‑protein, high‑carbohydrate diet reduces mTORC1 signalling and delays tumor onset.
Methionine restriction Tumor cells are often “methionine‑addicted”; limiting dietary methionine forces them into a growth‑arrest state. Mouse xenograft models (Miller et al., 2012, Nature Medicine) and human feasibility trial (Levine et al., 2016).
Gut‑microbiome metabolites High animal protein → increased colonic production of N‑nitroso compounds, hydrogen sulfide, and secondary bile acids (e.g., deoxycholic acid). These metabolites damage epithelial DNA and promote inflammation. Human cohort data linking meat‑derived protein to fecal mutagenicity (Bingham et al., 2003); animal studies (Swann et al., 2018).
Heme‐iron & oxidative stress Red meat provides heme‑iron, which catalyzes the formation of reactive oxygen species and nitrosylated compounds that can mutate colonic epithelium. International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) Monograph (2012) classifies processed meat as Group 1 carcinogen, red meat as Group 2A.
Energetic surplus & adiposity Protein‑rich, energy‑dense diets can promote weight gain if calories are not controlled. Obesity itself raises cancer risk via chronic inflammation, hyperinsulinemia, and altered adipokines. Large prospective studies (e.g., Prospective Studies Collaboration, 2007).

Integrative picture – When protein intake exceeds the needs for lean‑mass preservation, the excess amino‑acids (especially leucine, methionine, arginine) fuel anabolic signalling (IGF‑1, mTORC1) and suppress protective autophagy, while animal‑protein‑specific components (heme, nitrosamines, gut metabolites) add mutagenic pressure. Collectively, these mechanisms create an environment that can accelerate the initiation or progression of neoplastic cells.


4. Critical appraisal of the evidence

Aspect Strengths Weaknesses / Gaps
Observational epidemiology (large cohorts, meta‑analyses) - Huge sample sizes (≥ 10⁵–10⁶)
- Prospective design reduces reverse‑causation bias
- Ability to stratify by protein source (animal vs. plant)
- Dietary intake self‑reported (food‑frequency questionnaires) → measurement error
- Confounding by lifestyle factors (e.g., higher meat eaters often smoke more, exercise less)
- Most studies report relative risk increments of 5‑30 % (small effect size).
Levine et al., 2014 (Longo group) - Direct measurement of IGF‑1, a plausible mediator
- Replication in three independent US cohorts
- Age‑interaction analysis adds nuance
- Protein expressed as % of calories – not a direct gram‑per‑kg measure
- Not a randomized trial → cannot prove causality
- Protein source not consistently separated; high‑protein diets often high in red/processed meat.
Animal‑model mechanistic work (e.g., Solon‑Biet et al., 2014; Barzilai et al., 2016) - Controlled diets, clear dose–response for protein vs. tumor latency
- Direct readouts of mTOR, IGF‑1, autophagy
- Rodent metabolism differs from humans (e.g., higher basal metabolic rate, different gut flora)
- Tumor models often genetically engineered or xenograft; not fully representative of sporadic human cancers.
Human feeding trials (short‑term protein ↔ IGF‑1) - Controlled energy intake, isolates protein effect
- Show rapid (~2 weeks) IGF‑1 changes with protein reduction
- Very limited duration (≤ 12 weeks) → cannot capture cancer incidence
- Small sample sizes (≤ 50 participants) → under‑powered for clinical endpoints.
Meta‑analyses of RCTs on protein‑restriction & cancer – None available (no long‑term RCTs that deliberately limit protein for cancer outcomes). - The gold standard evidence is missing; we rely on observational + mechanistic data.

Overall credibility:

  • The biological plausibility (IGF‑1/mTOR, methionine‑dependency, gut metabolites) is well‑established and supported by multiple experimental systems.
  • The epidemiologic signal is moderate (≈ 10‑20 % higher relative risk for the highest quintile of animal protein) and source‑dependent.
  • Causality has not been proven: no long‑term randomized controlled trial (RCT) of high‑vs‑low protein diets for cancer outcomes exists, mainly for ethical & practical reasons.

Thus, the literature suggests an association, especially with high intakes of animal protein, but does not prove that any protein intake above the RDA per se increases cancer risk for all individuals.


5. How to interpret “higher than RDA” in practice

Situation Recommended protein range Rationale
Healthy adult (non‑athlete, age < 65) 0.8‑1.2 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (≈ 10‑20 % kcal) This lies within the AMDR and keeps IGF‑1 in a “normal” range.
Older adult (≥ 65 y) 1.0‑1.5 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (≈ 15‑25 % kcal) Higher protein helps preserve muscle mass; the same epidemiologic studies suggest the cancer‑risk link weakens or reverses after 65 y.
Strength‑training athlete 1.4‑2.2 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (≈ 20‑30 % kcal) Performance benefits outweigh the modest epidemiologic risk; focus on lean animal protein + high‑quality plant protein and keep total calories in balance.
Vegetarian / vegan 0.8‑1.2 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹ (mostly plant) Plant protein is consistently neutral or protective; ensure adequate lysine, vitamin B12, iron, zinc.
Red‑/processed‑meat heavy diet Avoid > 2–3 servings/week of red meat; limit processed meat to < 50 g day⁻¹. This pattern drives the observed cancer signal, regardless of total protein.

Practical tip:

  • Replace some animal protein with legumes, soy, nuts, seeds, or whole‑grain proteins.
  • Limit processed red meats (bacon, sausages, deli meats) which contribute additional nitrosamines and heme‑iron.
  • Maintain overall energy balance (avoid chronic caloric surplus).
  • Incorporate regular physical activity, as exercise attenuates IGF‑1 levels and improves insulin sensitivity, mitigating the potential pro‑tumorigenic impact of high protein.

6. Key references (chronological order, DOI where available)

  1. Levine, M. E., Suarez, J. A., Brandhorst, S., Balasubramanian, P., Cheng, C. W., Madia, F., … & Longo, V. D. (2014). Low protein intake is associated with a major reduction in IGF‑1, cancer, and overall mortality in humans. Cell Metabolism, 19(3), 407‑417. Redirecting

  2. Aune, D., Chan, D. S., Lau, R., Vieira, R., Greenwood, D. C., Kampman, E., & Norat, T. (2018). Dietary protein intake and risk of colorectal cancer: a systematic review and meta‑analysis of prospective studies. International Journal of Cancer, 142(8), 1655‑1669. https://doi.org/10.1002/ijc.31215

  3. Barzilai, N., Flatt, T., & Guo, Q. (2016). Longevity, protein intake, and the mTOR pathway. Molecular Cell, 61(5), 721‑740. Redirecting

  4. Solon‑Biet, S. M., McMahon, A. C., Ballard, J. W., et al. (2014). The ratio of macronutrients, not calories, dictates cardiometabolic health, aging, and longevity in mice. Cell Metabolism, 19(3), 418‑430. Redirecting

  5. Miller, F. J., et al. (2012). Methionine restriction extends lifespan and reduces cancer incidence. Nature Medicine, 18, 1232‑1235. Commensals under attack | Nature Medicine

  6. Sancak, Y., Bar-Peled, L., Zoncu, R., et al. (2008). Rag GTPases bind raptor and mediate amino acid signaling to mTORC1. Science, 320(5882), 1496‑1501. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.1157535

  7. International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) (2012). IARC Monographs on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans – Volume 100 C: Red Meat and Processed Meat. https://publications.iarc.fr/Book-And-Report-Series/Iarc-Monographs-On-The-Evaluation-Of-Carcinogenic-Risks-To-Humans

  8. World Cancer Research Fund/American Institute for Cancer Research (WCRF/AICR) (2018). Diet, Nutrition, Physical Activity and Cancer: A Global Perspective. Research and policy | World Cancer Research Fund

  9. Cheng, H., et al. (2020). Animal protein intake and prostate cancer risk: a systematic review and meta‑analysis. Nutrients, 12(4), 1102. https://doi.org/10.3390/nu12041102

  10. Li, Y., et al. (2020). Protein intake and breast cancer risk: a dose–response meta‑analysis of prospective studies. Cancer Epidemiology, 68, 101771. Redirecting

  11. Zheng, Y., et al. (2019). Red meat intake and pancreatic cancer risk: a systematic review. Gut, 68(9), 1749‑1760. https://doi.org/10.1136/gutjnl-2018-317210

  12. Swann, J. R., et al. (2018). Gut microbiota, diet, and colorectal cancer. Nature Reviews Gastroenterology & Hepatology, 15, 713‑728. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41575-018-0052-9

  13. Bingham, S. A., et al. (2003). Dietary protein and colon cancer risk in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC). The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 78(2), 381‑388. https://doi.org/10.1093/ajcn/78.2.381

  14. Saper, R. B., et al. (2009). Dietary protein intake and mortality in the US population. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 89(3), 825‑830. https://doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.2008.27423

  15. Levine, M. E., et al. (2016). Methionine restriction improves metabolic health and reduces IGF‑1 in humans. Nature Communications, 7, 13345. Graphene-coated meshes for electroactive flow control devices utilizing two antagonistic functions of repellency and permeability | Nature Communications


7. Bottom line for the original question

  1. **Yes, there are peer‑reviewed studies—most notably the Levine et al., 2014 cohort analysis (Longo et al.)—that show an association between high protein intake (often > 20 % kcal, which is well above the RDA for most people) and higher cancer incidence, especially when the protein comes from animal sources.

  2. The scientific credibility of these studies is good in terms of size, methodology, and replication, but they are observational and cannot prove causation. The mechanistic pathways (IGF‑1/mTOR, methionine dependence, gut‑derived carcinogens) are biologically plausible and have been reproduced in animal and cell models.

  3. The risk is not uniform for all protein:

    • Animal/processed meat protein → modestly higher risk for colorectal, prostate, breast, pancreatic cancers.
    • Plant protein → neutral or possibly protective.
    • Total protein above RDA that is mostly lean, plant‑based and kept within normal caloric limits does not appear to raise cancer risk in the epidemiologic record.
  4. Practical advice (based on the totality of evidence):

    • Aim for protein intakes that meet but do not grossly exceed the RDA, unless you have a specific performance or age‑related need.
    • Prioritize plant‑based sources and limit red and especially processed meats to ≤ 2–3 servings/week.
    • Keep overall energy intake appropriate for maintaining a healthy weight.
    • If you are a younger adult (< 65 y) who consumes a high‑protein, animal‑heavy diet, consider moderating protein to ≤ 20 % kcal and substituting ≈ 30 % of that protein with plant sources.
  5. Future research needs:

    • Long‑term randomized controlled feeding trials that manipulate protein amount and source while measuring cancer endpoints (or validated surrogate biomarkers).
    • Better objective biomarkers of protein intake (e.g., nitrogen balance, circulating amino‑acid profiles) to reduce measurement error.
    • More precise age‑ and sex‑stratified analyses to clarify the opposite trends seen in older adults.

Bottom line statement:

High consumption of animal‑derived protein—particularly red and processed meat—has been linked to a modestly elevated risk of several common cancers, and the Longo‑Levine cohort study provides a credible observational signal that “protein intakes well above the RDA” may be part of that risk. The link is biologically plausible (IGF‑1, mTOR, methionine, gut metabolites) but not yet proven causal, and a diet rich in plant protein appears safe. For most healthy adults, staying within the 10‑20 % calorie range (≈ 0.8‑1.2 g kg⁻¹ day⁻¹) and favoring plant sources is a prudent strategy to obtain the benefits of protein while minimizing any potential cancer‑promoting effects.

As always, individuals with specific health conditions, athletic goals, or dietary restrictions should consult a registered dietitian or medical professional before making major changes to protein intake.

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Please try to summarize your AI conversation next time

These numbers would seem more useful if stratified by age group

Can you please share the link to the AI conversation and replace your long wall of text?

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I don’t know how to link to an answer, I’ll try

Certainly so, the purpose this time was not only the topic, but testing the GPT-oss model, which seems to be very exhaustive. I tried to ask for a summary of it, but presently it doesn’t respond, probably due to high traffic