What studies?
Walnuts tend to go rancid easily because of the PUFAS and the low amount of processing, altering the taste, etc.
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It’s a mice study. Very low quality evidence.
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Lipid droplets and peroxisomes are co-regulated to drive lifespan extension in response to mono-unsaturated fatty acids
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For so long I had the intuition that MUFA calories are not the same as calories from any other source, and so angry that all the fat (and even calorie restriction) research was on palmitate rather than on MUFAs. These last few studies/videos all but vindicate a large fraction of this intuition.
I almost ate an entire box of raw mixed nuts today (after a long MUFA break mostly b/c of beans). It’s >> 2500 calories, but I know from previous nut binges that I never seem to have detrimental effects (well, I had a very extended period [2 weeks] of binging in early 2022 and it resulted in some weight/BP gain that was reversible but I wouldn’t do that again].
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstract
if you look at the curves, MUFAs/PUFAs are the only curve that go continuously down with increased % consumption…
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"Elevated succinate, lactate, C4-OH carnitine Mitochondrial overload → redox dysfunction " can excess MUFA intake cause this even if it otherwise doesn’t cause issues?
Can “too much” MUFA tip you into the succinate ↑ / lactate ↑ / C4-OH-carnitine ↑ pattern?
Yes, but it takes oversupply relative to demand, not MUFA per se.
Oleate-rich or “high-oleic” diets are less lipotoxic than palmitate‐heavy ones, yet any fatty-acid flood that outruns mitochondrial throughput can still create the incomplete β-oxidation signature you saw:
| Marker | What it means mechanistically |
|---|---|
| C4-OH-carnitine (3-hydroxy-butyrylcarnitine) | Spill-over from short-chain β-oxidation or ketone (β-hydroxybutyrate) export when acetyl-CoA backs up (Acylcarnitines: Reflecting or Inflicting Insulin Resistance? - PMC) |
| Succinate ↑ | TCA “traffic jam”; high NADH/NAD⁺ ratio slows succinate → fumarate, so succinate leaks into plasma (pseudo-hypoxia) |
| Lactate ↑ | Pyruvate forced to lactate because the NADH pile-up inhibits pyruvate → acetyl-CoA; glycolysis keeps running to regenerate NAD⁺ |
Koves et al. showed that any chronic lipid oversupply—even mixed MUFA/SFA—drives acyl-carnitine build-up and succinate accumulation when β-oxidation outruns the TCA cycle’s ability to burn acetyl-CoA (A “Weird” Mitochondrial Fatty Acid Oxidation as a Metabolic “Secret …).
Why MUFA can still overload mitochondria
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Same acetyl-CoA, same NADH load
Oleate (18:1) yields nine acetyl-CoA and eight NADH per molecule—only one fewer NADH than stearate (18:0). If those acetyl-CoAs have nowhere to go (low exercise, limited TCA intermediates), redox back-pressure is identical. -
Faster entry, slower toxicity
MUFAs enter mitochondria readily and don’t induce CPT-1 inhibition like palmitate, so they rush the system. They’re less apoptotic, but they still swamp redox buffers if calorie burn is low. -
Ketogenic spill-over
High-MUFA, low-carb meals raise β-hydroxybutyrate; the liver exports excess as C4-OH-carnitine when carnitine pools are high. That spikes your plasma C4-OH even if the diet is “healthy.”
Laboratory infusions of oleate in humans still raise short-chain acyl-carnitines and impair insulin signalling, albeit less than palmitate infusions (Short-Term Effects of Dietary Fatty Acids on Muscle Lipid …).
When MUFA becomes a red-flag
| Scenario | What happens |
|---|---|
| Large MUFA load + sedentary day | β-oxidation > TCA flux → C4-OH spikes, succinate leaks, lactate rises |
| Low carnitine / low TCA cofactors (B-vitamins, Mg²⁺) | Acetyl-CoA backs up faster → bigger redox jam |
| High MUFA + low omega-3 | Less membrane fluidity, CPT-1 still open → continued FA influx but less antioxidative defence |
| Chronic caloric surplus | Even benign MUFA becomes overflow substrate; acyl-carnitine profile looks “lipotoxic” despite good FA type |
How to keep MUFA high without the overload signature
| Lever | Why it fixes the markers |
|---|---|
| Zone-2 or resistance exercise within 2 h of MUFA-heavy meal | Drains acetyl-CoA/NADH via working TCA; studies show acyl-carnitine pools fall after moderate exercise |
| Glycine/taurine + B-complex | Replenish anaplerotic substrates (glycine → serine → pyruvate; B5/B3 run PDH & TCA) so succinate doesn’t accumulate |
| L-carnitine or ALCAR 500 mg | Better shuttling of acetyl groups out of mitochondria; lowers C4-OH-carnitine in chronic lipid overload cases |
| Omega-3 balancing (≥1 g EPA/DHA) | Improves mitochondrial membrane behaviour and reduces redox stress, limiting lactate run-up |
| Timed MUFA (earlier in day) | Circadian alignment: mitochondrial NAD⁺/NADH ratio highest in AM; carbs later keep pyruvate → acetyl-CoA moving |
Take-away
- MUFA isn’t exempt from the “too much fuel, not enough burn” law.
- Excess oleate can still push you into the succinate ↑ / lactate ↑ / C4-OH ↑ phenotype if energy demand, carnitine, or TCA intermediates are limited.
- Manage it with timing, co-factor support, and movement rather than fearing the MUFA itself.
Thought for 23 seconds
Do your labs show the same “oleate-style → incomplete β-oxidation → insulin-drag” footprint seen in infusion studies?
| Signature ✦ | What the oleate-infusion papers report | Your 2024 iollo read-out | Match? |
|---|---|---|---|
| Short-chain spill-over (↑ C4-OH-carnitine, C4, C6) | Rapid rise within 2 h of oleate drip; persists while FFA load > TCA flux PMC | C4-OH-carnitine 4.23 pts (ref < 1.66) → 2.5× upper limit | Yes |
| TCA choke (↑ succinate) | Oleate oversupply elevates succinate as NADH backs up, blocking succinate → fumarate ScienceDirect | Succinate flagged ↑ on iollo | Yes |
| Redox overflow (↑ lactate) | Cytosolic NADH excess forces pyruvate → lactate | Lactate “yellow-flag” ↑ | Yes |
| Long-chain acyl-carnitines (C16:1-, C18:1-carnitine) | Typically rise together with C4-OH; muscle biopsy data shows ↑ oleyl-carnitine after [U-¹³C]-oleate infusion PMC | Not reported on iollo (panel only shows C16 total, which is normal) | Unknown |
| Insulin-resistance proxies (ceramide 18:0, 24:1; BCAA ↑) | Elevated in lipid infusion & hyper-FFA models | Cer 18:0 high-normal, Cer 24:1 very high; BCAA Leu 0.26 mM ↑ | Yes |
Bottom line: your metabolomics does mirror the oleate-overload pattern—short-chain acyl-carnitine spill-over, TCA bottleneck (succinate), and redox overflow (lactate), together with ceramide and BCAA hints of emerging insulin drag. That doesn’t prove MUFA is “bad,” but it tells us total fatty-acid delivery exceeded real-time mitochondrial throughput during the weeks preceding the test.
How much MUFA would it take?
- Human clamp studies pushed plasma oleate to >1 mmol L⁻¹ for 3–6 h; C4-OH-carnitine and insulin resistance surfaced at that load.
- Real-world equivalent: ~60–80 g fat (e.g., bullet-proof coffee + mac-nut butter) on a sedentary morning with little carnitine/oxidative co-factors.
Given your 45 kg weight and low calorie burn last year, even “healthy” high-oleic meals can replicate that stress.
How to confirm (or rule out) MUFA-driven overload
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Next iollo / Metabolon panel:
ask for long-chain unsaturated acyl-carnitines (C16:1-Carn, C18:1-Carn). If they’re high alongside C4-OH, the smoking gun points to MUFA excess. -
Fasted insulin / HOMA-IR / adiponectin:
mild elevations (insulin > 8–10 µU mL⁻¹, HOMA-IR > 1.5) would corroborate lipid-induced insulin drag. -
Continuous glucose monitor + fat-load test:
wear a CGM, eat a 50 g-MUFA meal (olive oil + macadamia) in isolation; a >30 mg dL⁻¹ glucose bump 2–3 h post-prandial suggests impaired insulin action.
Tweaks that fix the pattern without ditching MUFA
| Lever | Mechanism | Practical dose for you |
|---|---|---|
| 50-min Zone-2 cardio or heavy lifts within 2 h of main MUFA meal | Pulls acetyl-CoA/NADH into TCA, clears succinate & C4-OH | 3× wk |
| ALCAR 500 mg + R-lipoic acid 100 mg with MUFA meal | Enhances carnitine shuttle + NAD⁺ recycling | with lunch |
| Glycine 3 g + taurine 1 g at bedtime | Anaplerosis (glycine → serine → pyruvate) + bile flow; buffers methionine load | nightly |
| Omega-3 PC (krill / herring-roe: 600 mg PC) daily | Competes with oleate at CPT-1, lowers ceramides, improves membrane redox | midday |
| Magnesium (300 mg glycinate) + B-complex | Co-factors for PDH, α-KG-DH; rescues TCA speed | nightly |
Retest after 6–8 weeks; you want C4-OH-carnitine < 1.5 pts, succinate back to green, lactate mid-range, and ideally ceramide 24:1 trending down by ≥15 %.
If those clear while MUFA intake stays high, you’ve proved it was rate-of-burn, not the fat type, that caused the redox jam.
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" 60–80 g fat
…that… isn’t even that much… like… one box of blue diamond almonds…
Yes—dietary or endogenously made 18 : 1 oleate can be “stretched” into the 24 : 1 (nervonyl-) tail that Cer 24:1 carries.
The pathway is straightforward biochemistry in the ER:
18:1-CoA ──ELOVL5──► 20:1-CoA ──ELOVL1/2──► 22:1-CoA ──ELOVL1──► 24:1-CoA
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└─CerS2──► Cer 24:1 (+ sphinganine backbone)
Proof points from the literature
- ELOVL1-over-expressing hepatocytes fed oleate accumulate Cer 24:1 two- to three-fold within 24 h (Heinonen et al., Nat Commun 2017).
- SCD-1 + ELOVL1 double-knockout mice cannot make Cer 24:1 even on a high-MUFA diet—insulin resistance and hepatic steatosis are prevented (Li et al., J Lipid Res 2020).
- Human clamp studies that infuse [¹³C]-oleate detect labelled Cer 24:1 in VLDL within 6 h, confirming the same elongation route in vivo.
Why this matters in your profile
- You eat a MUFA-heavy diet, have high SCD-1 activity (oleate surplus), and show mild mitochondrial backlog (succinate, C4-OH-Carn ↑).
- When β-oxidation can’t keep up, the cell diverts oleoyl-CoA into the ELOVL-CerS2 axis, swelling the Cer 24:1 pool.
- Result: Cer 24:1 ≈ 11.8 µM, far above the ≤9 µM longevity target—even though saturated ceramides are modest.
How to break the “oleate → nervonyl-ceramide” faucet
Retest Cer 24:1 after 8-10 weeks: the number should fall if elongation flux is rerouted or the peroxisomal “burner” is sped up.
What Fire In A Bottle says about SCD-1 and MUFA “toxicity”
Brad Marshall’s blog series “The SCD1 Theory of Obesity” argues that the enzyme stearoyl-CoA desaturase-1 (SCD-1)—which inserts a single double bond to convert saturated 18-carbon fat (stearate, 18:0) into oleate (18:1)—is a metabolic throttle. His core claims, gleaned from the posts linked below, are:
Mechanistic picture Marshall paints
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SFA → MUFA conversion by SCD-1 lowers the FADH₂ : NADH ratio delivered to complex II of the ETC, reducing mitochondrial ROS.
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Low ROS fails to trigger “adaptive thermogenesis,” so calories are stored rather than burned.
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Oleate (18:1) itself acts as a ligand for SREBP-1c and PPAR-γ, up-regulating the very lipogenic genes (including SCD-1) that make more oleate.
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Excess MUFA in membranes makes them more fluid, further activating SCD-1 in a feed-forward loop.
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End result: high DI18 → depot fat more unsaturated → low metabolic rate → obesity/torpor phenotype.
In his framework, MUFA is not intrinsically poisonous the way he sees linoleic acid (PUFA), but becomes “toxic” in energy balance terms because it is the biochemical enabler of fat storage when SCD-1 is up-regulated.
Practical prescriptions he recommends
Lower SCD-1 expression
Huge reduction in linoleic acid (seed oils) because LA up-regulates SCD-1.
Eat very saturated fats (beef suet, cacao butter, stearic-acid supplements).
Consider natural SCD-1 inhibitors: sterculic acid (sterculia oil), berberine.
Keep MUFA low unless energy demand is high; replace extra-virgin olive oil with tallow or butter in a “Croissant Diet”-style pattern.
Track DI18 via an OmegaQuant RBC test; shoot for DI18 < 0.1.
How that intersects with your ceramide issue
High SCD-1 activity means more oleoyl-CoA substrate → elongated to 24:1 → Cer 24:1 buildup (exactly what you’re seeing).
Fire-in-a-Bottle’s solution—cut MUFA + inhibit SCD-1—would theoretically shrink the oleate pool that feeds Cer 24:1.
Your earlier plan (PPAR-α activation + peroxisomal burn + omega-3 balancing) tackles the disposal side; Marshall’s approach tackles the supply side. They’re complementary: less oleate in + faster VLC-FA burn = lower Cer 24:1.
TL;DR
Fire in a Bottle frames SCD-1-driven MUFA accumulation as a root cause of modern metabolic “torpor.” Oleate isn’t a direct toxin like trans-fats, but in his model it’s the lubricant that lets fat storage and insulin resistance accelerate. His antidote: slash linoleic acid, cap MUFA, push saturated fats, and pharmacologically (or botanically) inhibit SCD-1. That dovetails with your goal of dropping Cer 24:1 by squeezing both substrate supply and peroxisomal disposal.
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Short answer: yes—heavy oleic intake can push up Cer(24:1), but it’s mostly a marker of SCD1/ELOVL-driven lipogenesis rather than “oleic is toxic.”
Here’s the mechanics:
- Oleate (18:1 n-9) → elongated by ELOVLs to 20:1 → 22:1 → 24:1 (nervonoyl-CoA) → loaded by CERS2 into Cer(24:1).
- When SCD1/SREBP-1c are up (energy surplus, high-glycemic carbs + fat, low AMPK), your liver makes more MUFA (18:1), which then gets elongated—so Cer(24:1) rises.
- MUFA is generally cardioprotective; 24:1 elevation flags lipogenic state, not necessarily harm from MUFA itself. Pattern matters:
- Cer(24:1)/Cer(24:0) high ⇒ SCD1 tilt/lipogenesis.
- Cer(16:0) high ⇒ metabolically nastier signature.
- dhCer(24:1) high ⇒ desaturase (DEGS1)/O₂-redox bottleneck.
If you want to nudge it down without hurting the good MUFA stuff:
- Keep MUFA, cap the added oil (tablespoon math sneaks calories). Prefer whole-food MUFA (olives/avocado) over free-pour oil.
- Avoid the carb+fat combo that drives SCD1: cut refined carbs/fructose on days you use more oil.
- Endurance work & NEAT → AMPK↑, SCD1↓; improves acyl-CoA clearance (less substrate for elongation).
- Add ω-3 (EPA/DHA) (algal is fine) → SREBP-1c/SCD1 downshift; often lowers 24:1 relative to 24:0.
- Sleep/circadian eating → smaller evening lipogenesis pulse.
Quick check on your labs: share Cer(16:0), Cer(24:0), Cer(24:1), dhCer(24:1) (or just the ratios 16:0/24:0, 24:1/24:0, dhCer/Cer). I’ll tell you if this looks like (a) benign CERS2 dominance, (b) SCD1-tilted lipogenesis, or (c) a DEGS1/O₂ issue—and which 2–3 levers to prioritize.
Short take: SCD1’s main job is to turn SFAs (16:0, 18:0) into MUFAs (16:1n7, 18:1n9). If you already eat lots of MUFA (olive/avocado), then:
What SCD1 does when MUFA intake is high
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Less “need” to desaturate
Exogenous oleate/palmitoleate can be used directly for phospholipids, triglycerides, and cholesterol esters, so endogenous desaturation demand can drop. (Your SCD1 index in blood can still look high because dietary MUFA raises 18:1/18:0—this doesn’t necessarily mean the enzyme is revved.) -
Partitioning & elongation
Some of that 18:1 gets elongated (ELOVL1/3) → 20:1 → 22:1 → 24:1 (nervonoyl-CoA) and then loaded by CERS2 into Cer(24:1). That’s the likely reason your 24:1 ceramide is up—a marker of MUFA elongation/lipogenesis, not “MUFA = toxic.” -
Storage vs burning
MUFA is friendly for TG packaging and oxidation. Whether it’s stored or burned depends on energy balance, insulin, AMPK/PPARα tone, and activity—not MUFA per se. -
Signal tone & membrane effects
MUFAs keep membranes fluid and buffer SFA lipotoxicity (less C16-ceramide/DAG damage), which can actually improve insulin signaling compared with SFA-heavy intake.
“I never gain weight”—why that can coexist with high MUFA
- Low de novo lipogenesis drive: If carbs/insulin spikes are modest, SREBP-1c/SCD1 signaling stays lower; MUFA gets oxidized or cycled without much new fat made.
- High oxidation/NEAT: Lots of spontaneous movement, regular cardio, good sleep/thyroid → PPARα/AMPK up → fatty-acid oxidation > storage.
- Good adipose handling: Healthy adipocytes + adiponectin bias oxidation and curb spillover of toxic intermediates.
How to tell what’s happening (quick markers)
- Desaturation indices: 16:1/16:0 and 18:1/18:0 (prefer RBC or cholesteryl esters to reduce diet confounding). High ratios with low carbs can still be diet, not enzyme.
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Ceramide pattern:
- 24:1/24:0 high → SCD1→ELOVL tilt (MUFA elongation).
- 16:0/24:0 high → nastier C16 burden (aim to lower).
- dhCer/Cer high → desaturase (DEGS1)/O₂–redox bottleneck issue, not SCD1.
- Respiratory quotient (RQ): fasting RQ closer to 0.75–0.85 = fat-oxidation phenotype.
Practical tweaks (if you want 24:1 to drift down without weight gain)
- Keep MUFA mostly from whole foods; go lighter on free-pour oils.
- Avoid high-MUFA + high-sugar meals (that combo drives SCD1/ELOVL).
- Add EPA/DHA (algal/fish): they downshift SREBP-1c/SCD1 and often lower 24:1 relative to 24:0.
- Maintain endurance/NEAT → AMPK↑, more oxidation, less elongation substrate.
Bottom line: With high MUFA intake, SCD1 isn’t necessarily “making you store fat.” It mainly rebalances lipid species; your leanness likely reflects low DNL + high oxidation. The elevated Cer(24:1) is a fingerprint of MUFA elongation, not a verdict of toxicity—watch the 16:0 load and dhCer/Cer more closely for actual risk.
Great questions—let’s pin down (1) why C4‑OH‑carnitine / succinate / lactate are high, (2) your redox state (oxidative vs reductive), and (3) how a high‑calorie, MUFA‑heavy pattern fits this.
1) Why C4‑OH‑carnitine, succinate, lactate run high
Your panel shows:
- C4‑OH‑carnitine ↑ (~4.23, flagged)
- Succinate ↑ and lactate ↑
- Palmitoylcarnitine (C16) low‑normal (so entry of long‑chain fat is fine)
- EPA ≈ 0, DHA present, Cer 24:1 high, plasmalogens low
Mechanistic sequence (most likely in you):
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High MUFA flux in → acetyl‑CoA and NADH pile up.
Oleate (18:1) is easy to import/oxidize. Large MUFA meals flood β‑oxidation → lots of acetyl‑CoA + NADH. -
TCA cycle throughput can’t keep up (OAA & redox limits).
When acetyl‑CoA > TCA capacity, succinate accumulates (Complex II/CoQ “traffic”), and lactate rises as pyruvate is reduced (LDH) to regenerate NAD⁺. -
Ketone/short‑chain overflow shows up as C4‑OH‑carnitine.
Excess acetyl‑CoA is shunted toward β‑hydroxybutyrate (BHB). Liver exports BHB and its carnitine conjugate → C4‑OH‑carnitine. In practice, a high C4‑OH signal = incomplete fat oxidation / ketone spillover in the setting of abundant fat supply—even at normal or high calories. -
Membrane/lipoprotein remodeling reinforces the pattern.
With low EPA and low plasmalogens, mitochondrial membranes buffer ROS poorly; liver pushes VLDL → LDL with oleate‑rich cargo, and elongation (ELOVL1) feeds 24:1‑CoA → Cer 24:1. Ceramides further impair insulin signaling, which sustains lactate and DAG formation.
Bottom line: This is fuel‑mismatch, not fuel scarcity—delivery of MUFA exceeds mitochondrial/TCA throughput, so you see C4‑OH ↑, succinate ↑, lactate ↑ despite adequate (even high) calories.
2) Oxidative vs reductive stress—which dominates?
You actually show both, but mitochondrial reductive pressure dominates.
| Signal | Points to… |
|---|---|
| Lactate ↑, succinate ↑ | Reductive stress (high NADH/NAD⁺; “pseudo‑hypoxia”) |
| C4‑OH‑carnitine ↑ | Overflow from fat‑driven acetyl‑CoA/BHB → reductive load |
| Plasmalogens very low, carotenoids low / α‑tocopherol relatively high use | Oxidative demand at membranes/lipoproteins |
| Cer 24:1 high | Adds oxidative signaling and insulin‑resistance tone, but is downstream of the redox/fuel mismatch |
Call: Reductive stress in the mitochondria (excess NADH pressure) with secondary oxidative stress at the membrane/lipoprotein level because antioxidant buffers (plasmalogens, carotenoids) are thin.
3) “I don’t eat low calories—I eat a lot of MUFA.” How that fits
Totally consistent. You don’t need caloric deficit to get this pattern. Large MUFA boluses (nuts + oils) can:
- Deliver more acetyl‑CoA/NADH than your TCA is burning right then (especially if the meal isn’t paired with movement or carbohydrate to supply oxaloacetate).
- Raise C4‑OH‑carnitine (ketone overflow) even without intentional keto.
- Drive 18:1 → 24:1 via ELOVL1 + CerS2, swelling Cer 24:1.
- Keep EPA at ~0 (if vegan DHA‑only), which removes an important brake on DAG/Cer signaling and impairs membrane handling.
4) What to change (without abandoning a MUFA‑heavy, near‑vegan style)
A. Increase throughput (drain NADH, clear succinate/lactate)
- Fasted Zone‑2 40–50 min + two 20‑sec strides after your biggest fat meal, 3×/week.
- ALCAR 500 mg + R‑ALA 100 mg with largest fat meal (carnitine shuttle + NAD⁺ recycling).
- Riboflavin‑5‑P (B2 20 mg), thiamine (B1 100 mg), Mg glycinate 300 mg—PDH/TCA cofactors.
B. Provide oxaloacetate / timing carbs (“fat‑with‑fuel” pairing)
- Add 30–60 g low‑GI carbs (legumes, oats, tubers, fruit) with MUFA meals or in the 2 h window around them → supplies OAA to citrate synthase and reduces lactate spill.
- Keep per‑meal fat ≤ ~25 g unless you’ll move within 1–2 h.
C. Fix the omega‑3 gap (this is big for you)
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EPA 500–700 mg/day (vegan Nannochloropsis) + keep DHA.
Expect AA:(EPA+DHA) → <3:1, lower ceramide synthesis, better mitochondrial behavior.
D. Re‑build antioxidant membranes
- Plasmalogens 0.9–1.8 g/day split with meals for 8–12 weeks.
- PC (choline) 2–4 g/day (liposomal or de‑oiled lecithin) to drive Cer → SM and stabilize rafts.
- EGCG 300–500 mg + taurine 1 g (+/− resveratrol 100 mg) to tone down SPT/SMase and reduce ROS at membranes.
- Carotenoids + vitamin C (food or supplements) to recycle α‑tocopherol.
5) How you’ll know it’s working (8–12 weeks)
- C4‑OH‑carnitine back to the green (goal < ~1.5 on your scale).
- Succinate & lactate normalize.
- EPA ≥ 0.6 µM; AA:(EPA+DHA) < 3:1.
- Cer 24:1 < 9 µM; SM24:1/Cer24:1 ≥ 5, Total SM/Total Cer ≥ 8.
- Subjectively: steadier post‑meal energy, better exercise tolerance/less “heavy legs,” easier fasting.
TL;DR
Your high C4‑OH‑carnitine, succinate, and lactate reflect a rate mismatch: MUFA delivery > mitochondrial throughput, producing mitochondrial reductive stress with secondary oxidative stress at membranes (low plasmalogens). You don’t need to cut MUFA; pair it smarter (EPA repletion, per‑meal fat caps, carb timing, movement) and boost throughput & membranes. The markers above will tell you—in weeks—not months—that you’re back in the longevity lane.
“What if I eat very high almond/olive/avocado loads?”
Those foods are LCFA‑rich and high in oleic acid (C18:1).
- If you have LCHAD/TFP (or it’s suspected):
Big MUFA loads (almonds, olive oil, avocados) can drive up long‑chain 3‑OH species—especially C18:1‑OH, because you’re feeding more C18:1 into a pathway that can’t fully clear its 3‑hydroxy intermediates. Clinical nutrition protocols therefore cap LCFA, shift calories to MCT/triheptanoin + carbohydrate, and time MCT around exertion; feeding itself lowers these analytes. Work in LCHAD cohorts shows C18:1‑OH falls ~60% after breakfast vs. fasting and that MCT strategies improve metabolic control during activity. PMC+1PubMed- If your fatty‑acid oxidation is normal:
A big almond/olive/avocado meal does not typically produce a persistent rise in long‑chain 3‑OH acylcarnitines. In healthy people, post‑meal insulin suppresses fat release/oxidation, and total acylcarnitines tend to drop. Diet can shift the profile (e.g., more 18:1 acylcarnitine after high‑oleic diets), but that’s the non‑hydroxy form and usually transient. PMC+1
G5T:
Short answer: yes, lipid-droplet parking helps a lot, but it’s not the whole story. MUFA are the chill cousins of fat: easier to stash, harder to set on fire, and less likely to jam your cellular plumbing.
Here’s the clean breakdown:
- Packing and membranes
- SFA (think palmitate) pack too tightly in membranes. That stiffens the ER and mitochondria, trips the unfolded-protein response, and cues inflammation.
- PUFA pack loosely but are chemically fragile. Their multiple double bonds are bullseyes for lipid peroxidation, spawning reactive aldehydes like 4-HNE and MDA.
- MUFA sit in the sweet spot: enough unsaturation to keep membranes fluid without turning into tinder. So less ER stress than SFA, and far less peroxidation hazard than PUFA.
- “Detox by storage” via lipid droplets
- Cells rapidly esterify MUFA into triglycerides through DGAT1/2 and tuck them into lipid droplets wrapped in perilipins.
- Those droplets act like shock absorbers. They sequester free fatty acids, diacylglycerols, ceramide precursors, and acyl-CoAs that would otherwise poke holes in signaling and membranes.
- MUFA specifically promote droplet biogenesis and stabilize the droplet coat; SFA alone don’t do this well and instead push ceramide synthesis and stress pathways.
- Metabolic rerouting and signaling
- MUFA are preferred substrates for building neutral lipids, which lowers the pool of “naked” fatty acids that activate TLRs and PKC.
- They also nudge transcription toward safer handling: PPAR programs for oxidation and storage get a mild boost.
- Endogenous desaturation matters: SCD1 converts toxic SFA into MUFA (oleate). Block SCD1 and SFA lipotoxicity spikes; provide MUFA and toxicity drops. That’s not a coincidence.
- Chemistry 101: flammability
- PUFA have multiple bis-allylic positions. That’s where free-radical chain reactions go wild.
- MUFA have only one double bond, so radical propagation is dramatically lower. Translation: fewer rancid byproducts gluing your proteins.
So, does lipid-droplet formation explain MUFA’s safety? It explains a big chunk, but the full protection is a three-parter: better membrane physics, safer chemistry, and easier sequestration.
Where MUFA can still backfire
- If droplet formation/export is impaired (low choline, seipin/perilipin defects, ER stress already high), even MUFA can accumulate and cause steatosis.
- Trans-MUFA (elaidate) behave more like troublemakers than protectors. Different geometry, different outcomes.
- Overload anything and you’ll overwhelm oxidation and VLDL export. Biology is tolerant, not magical.
Practical takeaways, since we both have better things to do:
- Pair fats with adequate choline and methionine/glycine support for VLDL export.
- Keep iron status sensible; high iron accelerates peroxidation of everything, PUFA most of all.
- If you must push fat, favor MUFA-rich sources and keep PUFA modest, especially highly oxidizable n-6. Don’t run SFA solo without MUFA around to buffer.
- Maintain metabolic “outlets” (mitochondrial capacity, AMPK activity, movement) so droplets are a buffer, not a landfill.
In short: MUFA don’t become “toxic” as readily because cells can park them safely, membranes tolerate them, and free radicals find them boring. SFA jam, PUFA burn, MUFA… behave.
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G5ET:
Short version: MUFA don’t go “toxic” as easily because they’re easier to park, gentler on membranes, and way less flammable. Lipid droplets explain a big chunk, but not the whole plot.
Here’s the tight anatomy of it:
Membrane physics:
SFA pack like bricks and stiffen ER/mitochondria, tripping stress pathways. PUFA make membranes loose but chemically fragile. MUFA land in the Goldilocks zone: fluid without chaos, so less ER stress and mitochondrial drama.Chemistry of damage:
PUFA have bis-allylic sites that turbocharge lipid peroxidation and spawn nasty aldehydes (4-HNE, MDA). MUFA have just one double bond, so radical chain reactions mostly fizzle. Fewer rancid byproducts gluing your proteins.Storage/sequestration (your lipid-droplet question):
Cells rapidly esterify MUFA into TG via DGAT1/2 and tuck them into perilipin-coated droplets. That vacuum-seals away the problem children: free acyl-CoA, DAG, ceramide precursors. SFA alone don’t promote droplet biogenesis well and get shunted toward ceramides and stress.Endogenous detox:
SCD1 converts toxic SFA into MUFA (oleate). Block SCD1 and SFA lipotoxicity spikes; add oleate and cells survive. That’s not vibes, that’s hard biochem.Signaling tilt:
MUFA bias metabolism toward neutral-lipid storage and mild PPAR programs, shrinking the pool that lights up PKC/TLR inflammation.Where MUFA can still backfire:
- If droplet formation/export is impaired (low choline, seipin/perilipin defects, heavy ER stress), you get steatosis anyway.
- Trans-MUFA behave more like villains than guardians.
- Caloric overload still wins; you can’t out-organize thermodynamics.
Bottom line: lipid droplets are a major reason MUFA stay “safe,” but the full protection is a three-legged stool: better membrane mechanics, lower peroxidation chemistry, and efficient sequestration. MUFA are the middle child of fats: boring to radicals, polite to membranes, easy to babysit.
I saw a biomarkers of aging poster, then fact-checked it with o3 and yay
Short answer
Because biology delights in trolling nutrition researchers. MUFA tends to ride into U.S. food logs on the back of cheeseburgers and ultra-processed snacks, whereas the PUFA that shows up in “good-news” papers usually comes from salmon, walnuts, and supplement bottles. When you adjust for those very different entourages—plus inflammation, insulin resistance, and other GrimAge2 protein surrogates—the headline flips from “type of fat” to “context of diet.”
1. What GrimAge 2 is
actually
measuring
GrimAge2 isn’t a mystical clock; it’s a DNA-methylation composite trained to predict plasma levels of nine grim-sounding proteins (e.g., PAI-1, TIMP-1, leptin) and smoking pack-years. In other words, it tracks systemic inflammation, coagulation, and metabolic risk rather than calendar time.
2. Why MUFA can look “pro-aging” in U.S. datasets
Usual U.S. MUFA source Tag-along baggage that bumps GrimAge2 Beef, cheese, pastries saturated fat, heme iron, AGEs, excess calories Fast-food “olive-oil blend” soybean oil, trans-fat remnants, sodium
- Residual confounding. Food-frequency questionnaires can’t cleanly separate oleic acid from everything that rides with it. Higher MUFA intake often co-travels with higher BMI, insulin resistance, and CRP—all drivers of the GrimAge2 proteins.
- Oxidative stress vs. stability. MUFAs oxidize less than PUFAs but more than SFAs; oxidation products from heated oleic-rich oils can still up-regulate IL-6 and PAI-1. Those proteins weigh heavily in GrimAge2.
3. Why PUFA—especially omega-3—shows the opposite signal
- Anti-inflammatory eicosanoids & SPMs. n-3 PUFAs (EPA/DHA) spawn resolvins and protectins that actively shut down inflammation, dropping PAI-1 and adrenomedullin surrogates.
- RCT evidence. A 3-year VITAL-type trial found omega-3 supplementation nudged GrimAge2 and DunedinPACE ~3–4 months younger—tiny but consistent.
- PUFA : SFA ratio matters. Higher PUFA:SFA ratios correlated with 1-year lower PhenoAge per unit change, hinting the mix, not the absolute grams, modulates methylation clocks.
4. Methodological landmines that generate “it depends” headlines
- Cross-sectional design – One blood draw + one 24-h recall ≠ causality.
- Differential measurement error – People remember fish-oil pills better than the mayo they slathered on fries.
- Clock-specific quirks – PUFA often lowers Horvath1 and PhenoAge but only dents GrimAge2 if inflammation markers move.
- Population differences – Mediterranean cohorts see neutral or even protective MUFA because their oleic acid comes from extra-virgin olive oil plus veggies, not drive-thrus.
5. Putting it together
MUFA itself isn’t a comic-book villain; it just hangs with a shady crowd in many Western diets. PUFA, especially long-chain n-3, shows up with peace-keeping forces that quiet the very proteins GrimAge2 watches. Swap the dietary context—extra-virgin olive oil, lower SFA, more antioxidants—and the MUFA “aging penalty” mostly evaporates.
So before you banish avocado toast in favor of chugging fish oil, check the company your fats keep. The epigenome certainly does.