Are there downsides to eating too many MUFAs/nuts?

SIRT6 shows poor deacetylase activity in vitro (32); however, free fatty acids could increase SIRT6 deacetylation activity 35-fold at physiological concentrations (39).

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high-fat diet may inhibit LC-3 associated with autophagy ( Selective autophagy in the fight against aging and age-related disorders - YouTube )

IDK if this is different between MUFAs and SFAs

Figure 3. CMA in the crosstalk of metabolic dysfunction and neurodegenerative diseases. Increased caloric intake in humans produces elevated circulating levels of carbohydrates (CHO) and free fatty acids (FFA). In the liver, FFAs accumulate in lipid droplets leading to hepatic steatosis. FFAs also inhibit CMA and lipophagy. The latter contributes to hepatic fat accumulation and systemic dyslipidemia that, together with increased levels of glucose, leads to metabolic syndrome characterized by insulin resistance and diabetes. Metabolic syndrome is a general status also characterized by oxidative stress, inflammation and endothelial dysfunction. This condition is present throughout the body and is also capable of affecting the nervous system, resulting in lipid dyshomeostasis, mitochondrial dysfunction, loss of proteostasis and protein aggregation in the brain. All of these processes have been shown to alter proteostatic mechanisms, including CMA. Loss of neuronal proteostasis finally alters neuronal function which leads to dementia or the development of neurodegenerative diseases.

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As shown in Fig. 1A, exposure to increasing concentrations of oleate sufficient to induce intracellular accumulation of lipids in the form of lipid droplets [visualized by staining with BODIPY 493/503; Molecular Probes (Invitrogen)] had an inhibitory effect on the levels of CMA reporter bound to lysosomes in the treated cells. We confirmed that treatment with oleic acid also resulted in reduced lysosomal uptake of the reporter by blocking lysosomal proteolysis with leupeptin and using an antibody against the reporter (this is necessary because once internalized, the CMA reporter is no longer fluorescent as a result of its unfolding) (Fig. S1A). A similar inhibitory effect on CMA was observed when cells were exposed to palmitic acid, a saturated fatty acid (Fig. S1B), although in this case, only lower concentrations could be tested because of the higher toxicity of this lipid. Treatment with the inhibitor of desmosterol Δ24-reductase, U18666A, which has been shown to alter cholesterol trafficking by preventing its exit from late endosomes and lysosomes (Fig. S2), had a similar inhibitory effect on basal and even inducible CMA (activated by prolonged serum removal) (Fig. 1B). In contrast, we did not observe any significant effect on CMA activity on treatment with the inhibitor of glycosphingolipid synthesis, N-butyldeoxygalactonojirimycin (Fig. 1B), which also leads to accumulation of intracellular lipids, mainly in the form of lipid droplets (Fig. S2B), without a significant effect on lysosomal/endosomal lipid content (Fig. S2C). These results support that intracellular buildup of lipids may not be enough to interfere with CMA activity but that direct changes in the cholesterol content at the lysosomal compartment may instead be responsible for the observed compromise in CMA.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1113036109 - Inhibitory effect of dietary lipids on chaperone-mediated autophagy

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It’s unclear if rapamycin increases CMA (it increases Ulk1 macroautophagy which is DIFFERENT). Periodic starvation (which morgan levine wrote about in her latest book) activates it. Thus, rapamycin may not reduce disruptions in autophagy caused by high-fat diets. Maybe this is evidence in favor of high-carb diets where one brings down the glucose via empagliflizon/acarbose. Or if one can periodically starve oneself (modafinil makes this easier)

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also read fireinabottle.net

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Yeah but what at 1lb of nuts?

Occasionally, that is probably not an issue. But a varied diet is probably best long term…

and perhaps this paper answers some of your questions:

Some nuts with high oxalates (like almonds) can potentially cause kidney stones. I dealt with that for a bit.

However, I personally am on a MUFA-centric diet… and it’s helped my lipids, etc better than any other diet. There are areas of Italy where they avg around a liter of EVOO a week, and they tend to have abnormally long lifespans.

I currently get about 65% of my fats from MUFAs… and then try to split the remainder with saturated & polyunsaturated. It’s not an easy task, but I’ve done it through a daily smoothy that’s half EVOO, half vegies.

Even respected researchers debate macros and fat types, but it does seem from research that the majority of issues coming from specific macro or fat mixes come from caloric excess. When the body needs energy and food supplies that energy, nothing is sticking around particularly long. It gets used to power daily energy needs. When you have a caloric surplus, now things start to get hairy. The body has to decide how to store away that energy and now you’re making longer-lasting changes to the body.

I’ve significantly reduced my nut consumption over the past few weeks (ONLY over the past few weeks!!) b/c I’ve finally started properly using acarbose for once [why this took so long, I don’t know] and beans I can eat with zero BG increase (+I discovered other fruits that dont increase it much)

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OIL, ~1.18 g/kg (they used canola oil for their MUFA…)

45*1.18/4.44 = 12 teaspoons roughly (this is comparable to what happens when I overeat MUFAs)

Upon OIL intervention, preclamp hepatic and whole-body insulin sensitivity markedly decreased by 28% and 27%, respectively, along with 61% higher rates of hepatic gluconeogenesis and 32% lower rates of net glycogenolysis, while hepatic triglyceride and ATP concentrations did not differ from VCL. During insulin stimulation hepatic and whole-body insulin sensitivity were reduced by 21% and 25%, respectively, after OIL ingestion compared with that in controls.

CONCLUSION

A single MUFA-load suffices to induce insulin resistance but affects neither hepatic triglycerides nor energy-rich phosphates. These data indicate that amount of ingested fat, rather than its composition, primarily determines the development of acute insulin resistance

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I binged on a lot of olive oil lately (I remember binging on chia seeds last year) => both seeemed to be followed by unusually high resting BG.

There are papers that say the opposite (MUFAs reducing insulin resistance) but I’m interested in cases where one eats > 1000 calories of MUFA per day.

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Both high-fat diets produced obesity and insulin resistance. EVOO-fed rats showed smaller increases in total cholesterol and arterial lipid peroxidation when compared with M-fed rats. Vascular reactivity to phenylephrine and sodium nitroprusside was not modified, but the vasodilating effect of carbachol was especially reduced in the M-fed rats compared with the EVOO-fed or control groups. Metformin addition to the incubation media decreased the vascular response to phenylephrine; decrease that was lower in rats fed with both high fat diets, and increased the carbachol and nitroprusside effects, but the metformin-enhanced response to carbachol was lower in the M group.

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I read somewhere that walnuts are the healthiest nuts. But walnuts also have way more PUFAs than most nuts

Tbf it’s consistent with everything else I’ve seen about PUFAs decreasing heart disease and overall mortality more than MUFAs.

Maybe the “soybean/vegetable oil = bad” studies show up because of the CHEMICAL PROCESSING used on it, rather than the linoleic acid/PUFAs themselves (processing is especially bad on linoleic acid/PUFAs). Chemical processing also makes soybean oil (and most seed oils) WAY less healthy than canola oil b/c of PUFA vs MUFA content.

Anyways I figured that my solution to the “overeating” nuts problem (even when still primarily going low-carb) is to just eat olives + nut milks, which have way lower calorie densities, making it MUCH harder for me to binge over 2000 calories than it is on nuts/avocados. Or add a bit of olive oil to coleslaw

Chocolate - I’ve found that unsweetened bare chocolate is the easiest chocolate to not overeat (just 2 Ghirardelli bars for the low lead/cadmium cocoa flavonols)

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I over eat when I have macadamia nuts. I’m probably going to just have to stop buying them all together sadly. Even if they are raw and unsalted I will still eat too many unfortunately. :frowning:

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What studies?

Walnuts tend to go rancid easily because of the PUFAS and the low amount of processing, altering the taste, etc.

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It’s a mice study. Very low quality evidence.

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Lipid droplets and peroxisomes are co-regulated to drive lifespan extension in response to mono-unsaturated fatty acids

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41556-023-01136-6

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They decrease mitochondrial oxidation and do not increase fragmentation, UNLIKE SFA

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For so long I had the intuition that MUFA calories are not the same as calories from any other source, and so angry that all the fat (and even calorie restriction) research was on palmitate rather than on MUFAs. These last few studies/videos all but vindicate a large fraction of this intuition.

I almost ate an entire box of raw mixed nuts today (after a long MUFA break mostly b/c of beans). It’s >> 2500 calories, but I know from previous nut binges that I never seem to have detrimental effects (well, I had a very extended period [2 weeks] of binging in early 2022 and it resulted in some weight/BP gain that was reversible but I wouldn’t do that again].

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