Agreed. I wouldn’t consider 12-15 to be high reps. Gotta find that sweet spot.
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Yes, I think one key to avoid muscle loss is to do resistance training habitually. Need to make it part of your lifestyle. I’m 63 yo and don’t think I’ve lost any muscle mass yet. Then again, I have been basically working out 3-5 times a week since my high school days. I’ve perhaps missed just a handful of weeks over the years due injuries (e.g., broken rib, thumb) and medical procedures (i.e., appendectomy, removal of melanoma spot on an arm). Even with some of those, I was still able to do some sort of limited workout. For me, it’s been part of my lifestyle, so I don’t see it as extra work or effort.
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Nice Dave…
Started my gym workouts 
8 years ago… age 60 years, built up my weight load and reps over the years… began at doing a half hour workout… with a low weight load… now 1 hour 15 minutes heavy weight load.
All gained muscle from process started 8 years ago has been maintained 
TRT (6-years,), rapamycin (dosing almost 5 years), HGH (1 year +).
I firmly believe the above medicines are important to my muscle maintenence and strength:muscle:.
I had an manual medicine adjustment this week. The 30-year old physician was new to me. When he was finished going over my whole body… he said,“You are really strong.” I replied for my age… he said," No… for any age. Never worked on someone at your age that solid."
Later, I saw him come into the medical university gym… 1st time I have seen him there.
I have to say, when I feel my shoulders… arms chest… ass and legs it is solid … no give.
Hahaha, guess he would know. All he does is adjust bodies all day.
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Do you have any idea of the relative benefits of each of these?
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Agetron,
Congrats on your efforts to strengthen your body! Sounds like you have succeeded thus far. Even impressing the young physician. Perhaps you even encouraged him to workout more too.
Great idea to work your way from lighter weight loads to heavier ones. When going through my reps, I usually start at an easier weight with 10-12 reps and then add a bit more for the 2nd and 3rd sets to increase resistance. I’m always trying to increase the resistance but take it slow and easy to avoid injury.
I’m on the rapamycin too but have been doing 3-4 months on followed by the same time off. Trying to following Keberlein’s method somewhat. So far, my testosterone seems to be holding up well for my age.
Best to you and everyone else working to increase/maintain their muscle mass!
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Sure Karl -
A pictorial history might be best.
Here 10 years ago… 2016 I am on nothing… no medication - no exercise - no healthy foods. No effort! at 185 pounds. Here is before I made any changes - I wanted a photo record.
Here I am in 2019 with daily walking, regular gym and watching my diet - predominately beef and milk. 3- years of consistant workout and muscle growth minimal had plateaued. This is the day before starting TRT. Wanted a photo record.
After TRT in 2021, my body exploded in muscles. I was surprised at the speed of my growth on 200 mg 1 ml injected Cypionate. I weighed 200 pounds… the highest weight of my life.
The combo rapamycin and TRT brought me to a lean shredded muscle state by 2023 and down to 180 pounds, which the shredded muscle build has stayed past almost 5 years of the combo TRT and Rapa starting in 2021.
Skin quality at 68 years - great. No age spots or skin thinning. HGH really improved my skin quality.
Recent photo March 2026. Following my TRT, Rapamycin and HGH journey, I think I am currently my best self… 10 years later and at about 188 pounds… that weight looks different today as muscle. Great health, muscle, skin… and sharp mind. Birthday on April 19th… will be 68 years old. My biological age based on inflammation and epigentic DNA… about 50 years.
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Sick progress!! That’s like a transformation of a guy in his 20’s. Awesome work.
I assume the thread title kinda implied that it was asking about gaining muscle “naturally”, and I’m sure the 200mg/w of Test E and the HGH help out a lot. But then again, I don’t see any good reason why any older guy should not use if if they want to.
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You wrote: I have been doing 3-4 months on followed by the same time off. Trying to following Keberlein’s method somewhat. So far, my testosterone seems to be holding up well for my age.
Great for under 65 years.
You are a bit younger… so maybe my medical supplements can give you an idea of benefits.
Thanks buddy.
Great you can appreciate that as we age our youthful juices dry up.
Need to re-infuse testosterone and growth hormone, taurine and vitamins. Rapamycin cleans up and repairs everything.
@Agetron Awesome. Do you think the Rapamycin really helped or did you just lose fat? Are you now going to have to be on TRT the rest of your life? Did I miss where the GH came into play?
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The rapamycin did 2 things. It took out any fat in the muscle - giving me pure shredded muscle at 14 % body fat right now. My muscles were bigger, fuller on TRT, but lots of fat and water. The rapamycin got rid of the extra fat and water. Pure muscle now.
And, it cleared the visceral fat (fat around my organs) - fat that is difficult to exercise away. That tummy older people have, despite very regular and intense workouts. Probably 15 pounds lost were visceral fat. My DEXA shows I have no visceral fat now. The abs appearance are from the loss of visceral fat. Also, although my muscles look smaller - I am actually stronger. I can lift heavier weights with more repetitions compared to my just TRT muscles.
After losing the fat, I still couldn’t gain muscle try as I might. The photo shows 3-years of consistent gym and yet no real muscle gains to show. This is why I decided to try TRT. The TRT brought on the muscle - and rapamycin honed it and compacted it.
I have no issue taking the TRT weekly shots to maintain my muscles and strength. So far 6 years … weekly. No side effects except strength and muscle tone.
The GH is one year and 3 months, works on bone, muscle maintenance, organ repair and skin. For me skin benefit is the most notable. Why I took the hand and arm photos you see in my post - last night.
Weight lost great, but I couldn’t build muscle. Here is me at the begining of my gym workouts 2017… . and yet after 3-years of gym… I had no noticable muscle gains. I needed the TRT to change my physique, and create muscle.
The TRT immediately built muscle, but with a lot of fat in it. The rapamycin compacted the TRT muscles gains into pure muscle nothing extra. Shredded stronger muscles, bones and ligaments.
I hope that helps. Sharing the pics demonstrates… it is a journey with ups and downs… finally achieving great results.
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Wow! Fantastic pics of how you progressed. Plus, I like your explanations of how the TRT and rapamycin worked together to optimize your muscle composition and size. I have kind of stalled out with muscle growth but seem to be maintaining what I have. I am OK with that though for the time being.
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Thanks Dave - I have received so much great advice, helpful ideas on the latest research and even friendship, if I can repay even a bit of that with honest dialogue - I am glad. Several have PM’d to say they follow all my replies (poor bastards - lol). And a few write me to say they are getting similar results on my protocols - makes me smile - good for you! We are all flying blind - making hopefully good guesses and hitting the mark!
But yeah… putting a 10-years span of photos that were only created for my personal progress (and the majority are not flattering) now online is definitely humbling… never had any kind of good looks or build - basically fair to average. Hence, the wowzers comments are taken.
The fact that in old age I am finally a bit of a silver zaddy is ironic. I just have to hover in place a while longer while everyone I know my age - not on TRT, Rapa or HGH circles the toilet in looks, body, strength and memory. Hahahah just kidding - … maybe NOT! Gunning for the best looking guy in my high school class. That might take til I am 90 years - I have th time. Once heard “The best revenge is living well” add to that “…aging well too!”.
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