Low free Testosterone; experiences with enclomiphene?

Your total testosterone is not the issue—669 is solid. Free T is on the lower end, but with SHBG only at 47.5, it’s not pathologically high. What stands out more is your low IGF-1, sluggish DHEA-S, and a TSH creeping up toward 3. These aren’t isolated problems—they’re part of a broader downregulation in energy metabolism and circadian signaling. You’re not dealing with a testosterone deficiency—you’re dealing with a mitochondrial signaling issue, and your body’s pulling the brakes on growth pathways for a reason.

Before jumping to enclomiphene or chasing numbers with supplements, I’d recommend doing two things: (1) Test your iron/copper ratios (serum iron, ferritin, ceruloplasmin, zinc, copper) to rule out terrain-level dysfunction that could be suppressing your anabolic drive; and (2) Try a breath-hold test (like a BOLT score) to check your autonomic balance and CO₂ tolerance—you’ll learn a lot about how your system is handling baseline stress. You might find the issue isn’t “low testosterone,” but a system that’s preserving itself in a low-output mode. Fixing that gets your lean mass and energy back—without forcing it with external agents.

More labs and biometrics are needed but 40 yo men have low T for a reason and if there is no direct pathology the etiology is mitochondrial

Rick Cohen M.D.

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Thanks, that’s very helpful! I did find out I’m defficient in copper.
Sérum copper : 63 ug/dL, low
Sérum zinc: 90
Ceruloplasmin : 17.4
Coq10: 2.21 uf/mL, high

I’ve been supplementing with 2.5g copper daily in addition to my usual multivitamin/Multimineral. I’ll test again in about 3 weeks to see if levels have balanced. I’ll have to test sérum irons and ferritin on my next checkup.

It’s the first time I’ve heard about BOLT, and looks like I could use some improvement. I was able to hold my breath for only 15 seconds max. Are there any other labs you would recommend I get?

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My estradiol raised to ~50. T 900, Free T 16 (middle of range), 25mg twice per week. I tried a very low dose aromatase inhibitor which brought it down to ~30 with virtually no change in other hormones (thyroid, cortisol, testosterone, various binding globulins, etc) and no subjective changes, so I discontinued it.

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Yes you need a mitochondrial make over!

You’re already thinking in the right direction by looking upstream at root-level causes like iron saturation and metabolic shifts, rather than simply chasing hormone levels. But many of these issues—fatigue, loss of lean mass, low IGF-1, creeping TSH—often point to deeper terrain dysfunction, particularly involving magnesium loss, circadian misalignment, and redox imbalances. In our model (QMT), we use simple but powerful dynamic measurements—like breath-hold index (BHI), urine ORP and conductivity, and spectral analysis of cardiac rhythms (high/low frequency bands)—to detect functional blocks and help determine whether you’re in a depletion state or adaptive compensation.

We offer coaching for those who want to go deeper, including guidance on avoiding synthetic supplements, strategic use of light and temperature, and terrain-based interventions tailored to your patterns. One of our health coaches specializes in this kind of recovery mapping—if you’re interested, we can connect you.

Rick

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Interesting re seeing changes in personality using that drug. This happened to someone i know, female, who at 79 has been getting HRT via pellets. The testosterone is not only giving her a lot of energy but she says has changed her personality a bit, but in a good way. More confidence, not as needy. They have her at 200. When I finally asked to get mine checked after 7 years it was 220 - I never feel one bit different on or off HRT. She said she doesn’t care if anything she’s doing will shorten her life she’s never going off of it she feels so good. I suppose if she were 59 vs almost 80 she would feel differently but doubt there’s any reason it would shorten her life anyway.

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That’s great. As a guy TRT did the same for me.

Women need a certain level of testosterone to feel good. Just like men need a certain level of estrogen to feel good.

This guy I know, enclomiphene made him way more needy to the point he would denigrate himself continuously to get approval, but it would contrast with this weird disdain for everyone elses opinion.

I’ve seen a few people get strange reactions to it.

I can understand that. I’m certainly not going to get off TRT, it makes me feel too good. I can manage every other aspect of my health for longevity purposes. My blood work is better now than before I got on TRT in fact.

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So interesting I’d never heard of personality changes especially in an older women. When I went from sublingual to patch for estrogen the doc said now there was no way to get testosterone unless I do a pellet but I have since read about creams so will ask her for some, even if it doesn’t make me feel better it would be good for muscles especially with my fatigue and being in bed too much. This woman uses pellets some docs love them some stay away from them.

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I’ve been taking clomiphene for about 10 years. I’d never heard of enclomiphene before reading this post. In Australia, if I remember correctly, they banned certain Testosterone treatments about the time I started on clomiphene, which is allowed. I get mine from India as the local cost is worse than prohibitive.

I can’t help with any stats. My T measures normal range once a year. Whether it’s normal range for a 70yo or what, I don’t know.

The only useful thing I can say, is no noticeable bad side effects for me.

Good Luck !

(I’m male)

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Clomiphene has two molecules: Enclomiphene and Zuclomiphene. Both are needed for females trying to improve fertility.

Men only need Enclomiphene and it has a half life of 10-14 hours and just blocks the estrogen receptor. (Pretty perfect timing for once a day)

Zuclomiphene is speculated to cause most of the side effects and has a scarily high half life of 30-50 days and build up to astronomical levels if taking for extended periods.

Glad you have no sides, but I may recommend switching just to avoid taking a molecule you don’t need that builds up so high. (My reasoning and it has worked very well.)

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AIUI its unclear if only enclomiphene blocks estrogen receptors or if its metabolites which have a much longer half life also block the estrogen receptors. Anecdotally, I take 25mg twice per week and that is sufficient for LH/FSH/Free T in the midrange of normal (and symptom resolution). I have not noticed any subjective difference around dosing days.

Unfortunately clomiphene is an understudied drug in men and enclomiphene even more so.

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Just curious, but why are at least some portions of your posts AI generated?

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Weight loss?

Ozempic causes a ~-500 kcal deficit by reducing appetite.

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Hi there. Sorry for the delay getting back to you.

I’m taking 12.5 mg enclomiphene before bedtime each night.

My current total T is 453, my free T is 82, and my SHBG is 22. I don’t worry so much about the numbers as I do about my quality of life – how’s my energy level, can I put on muscle, am I waking up with erections, etc.

When I was doing cypionate shots (5 years ago?), I think my numbers were slightly higher and my quality of life was the same. The enclomiphene is simply more convenient than shots – no need to take prescriptions or preloaded syringes with me when I travel, etc.

I have never used an aromatase inhibitor, not even when I was on shots, although they were prescribed to me.

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To follow up on this:
I did try to take enclomiphene, but ended up reducing my dosage to 3 times a week becauyse of side effects. Then ended up discontinuing it altogether within a month due low mood issues, and no progress at the gym.

I’ve settled for now on a combination of HCG, kisspeptin-10, and gonadorelin, shameless stealing from @Steve_Combi 's KGB mix:

  • kisspeptin-10 300 mcg M,W,F at night
  • HCG 300-500 iu Tu, Th
  • gonadorelin 150 mcg M, W in the morning

This combo is working well so far: I am making progress at the gym almost weekly on several of my lifts, and my lab numbers look improved on the free testosterone front. Here are some blood tests taken 48 hours after my last HCG dose, and 1 hour after my last kisspeptin-10 dose:

It’s just a quick and dirty way to verify that both substances are doing what they’re supposed to do : acutely increase LH levels in the case of kisspeptin, and increase testosterone 48 hours after injection in the case of HCG.

600-1000 iu per week of HCG seems sustainable for a moderate period of time since it doesn’t introduce too much suppression of endogenous LH production. Stimulating the hypothalamus and pituitary with maintaining its own production of LH and FSH with kisspeptin and gonadorelin should also help in that. I think I will still need to cycle off HCG, but maybe my cycle can be longer (6 to 8 weeks), and I’ll probably need to come off gradually.

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Just doing some research on enclomiphene:

Prompt:

What are the probabilistic benefits and costs or risks associated with enclomiphene use by men at a dose of 12.5mg or 25mg per day?

CGPT5.1 response:

Below is a clear, no-nonsense synthesis of what is actually known about enclomiphene’s benefit-risk profile in men, specifically at 12.5 mg/day and 25 mg/day. The numbers below reflect the best available human data from RCTs on enclomiphene (mostly 12.5–25 mg/day), and real-world clinical reporting from men using SERMs for functional hypogonadism.

Enclomiphene = the trans-isomer of clomiphene. It acts as an estrogen receptor antagonist at the hypothalamus → increases GnRH → increases LH/FSH → increases endogenous testosterone and preserves or increases sperm production. It avoids most of zuclomiphene’s long half-life.


:large_blue_diamond: LIKELY BENEFITS AND THEIR APPROXIMATE PROBABILITIES

1. Increase in total testosterone

Probability: ~85–95% of men

Magnitude:

  • 12.5 mg/day: +150–350 ng/dL
  • 25 mg/day: +250–600+ ng/dLNotes: Dose-responsive. Men with functional secondary hypogonadism generally respond strongly.

2. Increase in LH/FSH (maintained fertility)

Probability: ~90–95%

Magnitude:

  • LH typically doubles or triples within 2–4 weeks.
  • FSH rise is smaller but consistent.Notes: This is the main advantage over exogenous testosterone.

3. Improvement in sperm count and motility

Probability: ~70–85%

Magnitude:

  • Sperm concentration commonly doubles; some men see 3–4× increases.
  • Motility improves in ~40–60%.Notes: Lower baseline fertility → larger improvements.

4. Increase in free testosterone

Probability: ~90%

Magnitude:

  • 12.5 mg/day: +3–8 ng/dL
  • 25 mg/day: +6–15 ng/dL

5. Subjective symptom improvement (energy, libido, mood)

Probability: ~60–75%

Notes: Men with low baseline T benefit most. SERMs don’t always produce the same symptom relief as TRT.


6. Preservation of testicular volume

Probability: ~95%

Notes: Unlike TRT, enclomiphene causes no testicular shrinkage.


:small_red_triangle_down: RISKS / SIDE EFFECTS (WITH APPROXIMATE PROBABILITIES)

These are real-world clinical ranges combined with the enclomiphene trial data (which consistently report fewer side effects than clomiphene).


1. Estrogen-related symptoms (E2 surge)

Probability:

  • 12.5 mg: ~5–10%
  • 25 mg: ~10–20%

Symptoms: nipple sensitivity, transient breast fullness, emotional lability, water retention.

Mechanism: Testosterone rises → aromatization → estradiol rises.


2. Visual disturbances

Probability: ~0.3–1%

Details: Blurred vision, starbursts, floaters, tint changes. Much lower than clomiphene due to lack of zuclomiphene accumulation.

Action: Stop immediately if present.


3. Mood swings / irritability

Probability: ~10–20%

More common at 25 mg/day. Mostly resolves with dose reduction.


4. Headaches

Probability: ~5–15%

More common in men with high estrogen sensitivity.


5. Increased SHBG (rare)

Probability: ~5–10%

Leads to lower free T despite higher total T.


6. Thickened blood / increased hematocrit

Probability: ~2–5%

Less common than TRT, but still occurs in some responders due to testosterone rise.


7. Lipid changes

Probability: ~10–20%

Tends to slightly decrease HDL. Usually mild; less severe than TRT.


8. Acne

Probability:

  • 12.5 mg: ~5–10%
  • 25 mg: ~10–20%

9. Anxiety or restlessness

Probability: ~5–10%

Often from elevated estradiol or rapid endocrine shifts.


10. Thrombotic risk

Probability: Extremely low

SERMs can theoretically increase clotting risk, but enclomiphene data show:

  • No signal of VTE in trials lasting up to 6 months.
  • Risk is lower than in women taking clomiphene.Still prudent to be aware, especially in men with thrombophilias.

11. Liver enzyme elevation

Probability: ~1–3%

Mild ALT/AST bumps occasionally seen. Rarely clinically significant.


:balance_scale: BENEFIT-TO-RISK RATIO AT 12.5 MG VS 25 MG

12.5 mg/day

  • Best for: mild hypogonadism, fertility optimization, men prone to estrogen symptoms
  • Benefit: moderate T increase
  • Risks: lowest side-effect profile
  • Overall benefit:risk: very favorable

25 mg/day

  • Best for: moderately low baseline T, high LH responsiveness, men needing stronger boost
  • Benefit: maximal T elevation
  • Risks: ~2× higher rate of mood/estrogen side effects
  • Overall benefit:risk: favorable but more side-effect-prone

:bar_chart: RISK-MITIGATION & MONITORING PROTOCOL (PRACTICAL)

Before starting

  • Total T, free T, SHBG
  • LH/FSH
  • Estradiol (LC/MS preferred)
  • CBC (hematocrit)
  • Lipid panel
  • Liver enzymes
  • Baseline semen analysis (if fertility matters)

At 4–6 weeks

  • T panel
  • Estradiol
  • CBC
  • Side-effect check
  • Semen analysis (optional)

At 12 weeks

Full repeat labs. Adjust dose downward if estradiol symptoms appear.


:fire: BOTTOM LINE

Enclomiphene is one of the highest benefit-to-risk ways to increase testosterone in men while preserving fertility.

The typical outcome probabilities at these doses:

Outcome 12.5 mg/day 25 mg/day
↑ Total T ~90% ~95%
↑ LH/FSH ~95% ~95%
Improved fertility ~70% ~85%
Symptom improvement ~60% ~75%
Estrogenic side effects ~5–10% ~10–20%
Mood irritability ~10% ~20%
Visual issues ~0.3–1% ~0.5–1%
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One thing about free T. I was consistently getting low free T from the lab tests with normal / high end total T. What I learned was that the free T lab test is unreliable.

You can calculate free T with the Vermeulen method. You need total, Albumin, and SHBG.

This gave me a different, and more accurate free T, well within the normal range.

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