sagging is only corrected by surgery. nothing else will fix that. it is a waste of expense and time to think anything else is going to work.
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Depends on where the sagging is and to what degree, look into Radiesse filler injections. It works well.
Basically it stimulates new collagen growth which can help tighten, smooth out and re-contour your neck, face, hands, arms etc… The prices in the US for it are not reasonable so look into having it done somewhere in EU for a fraction of the price and better quality.
Dilute Radiesse® for Skin Tightening on the Face and Body - Brian Biesman MD.
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Thanks just starting to get some in the “Jowls” And thanks for the tip about going overseas. That might be worth it! And country in particular? Also why is this product better than Juvederm?
Juvederm doesn’t stimulate collagen, it simply creates a temporary volume. Radiesse will also create volum, and in addition will stimulate collagen and will last much longer than Juvederm. However, if a mistake is made, like too much volume or asymmetry, correction is possible only with Juvederm.
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Thanks Lara, you seem to be the skin expert! Appreciate the advice.
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I’m not though. I’m simply familiar with Radiesse as I used it for a few years in the past with great success, but don’t do it anymore. So I thought I would share personal experience.
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As Lara said, Radiesse lasts longer than Juvederm for about 9-12 months but takes 4 weeks to start working. It’s mainly caused by the main ingredient in Radiesse which is calcium hydroxylapatite which stimulates the body’s own collagen production resulting in the longer lasting effect. Also, Radiesse is effective at smoothing deeper creases and folds but denser Juvéderm products could do that as well. I guess it is just personal preference and the fact that Radiesse also increase the body’s own collagen production which is a plus as it actually corrects the wrinkles and saggy skin.
Generally the price in most EU countries is set to be 300-450 euros per treatment. Vs the US prices of $700 - $2000 each injection. My friend had it done in the US for $1500 (a rip off because the results were sub-par) and in Portugal for 350 euros . The Portugal treatment was so much better with amazing results and a wonderful caring doctor. Also way cheaper. Literally the flight+ hotel+ treatment is cheaper than the US price alone.
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“sagging is only corrected by surgery. nothing else will fix that. it is a waste of expense and time to think anything else is going to work.”
Sagging is caused by loss of elasticity.
Now I am going to rant and offend some people.
I agree with dan_hayes. At this time nothing but surgery is going to get rid of jowls etc., except surgery. PERIOD
All of your expensive fillers, tighteners, creams, and other junk are not going to do sh*t.
I have been visiting dermatologists for decades and have tried most of the junk you are trying. Nothing is beating gravity and loss of elasticity. Old people who do not have sagging jowls and loss of elasticity can thank their lucky genes. Everything else is BS.
Some things like retinoids will get rid of fine wrinkles and make your skin look as good as it can for your age. And, of course, a little make-up on women almost always makes them look better.
I don’t know. Too much coffee? I just feel like ranting.
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I have always wanted to go to Portugal!
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It’s sold for $150-$200 per 2ml syringe depending on a site…
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You are right. It’s impossible to reverse sagging especially in aging population. What we had to do (when we were younger) is prevention. If you didn’t start doing it at 30-40 then forget about any reversal if you are 65+ with a lot of sagging. Prevention includes maintaining the same normal weight, following a healthy diet, mesotherapy, some small correction to add volume with fillers, exercising, facial yoga, sleeping well, and supplements. What is reversible though is skin appearance (discoloration, dullness). But it’s not the skin appearance that makes one younger.
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I disagree from personal experience
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John;
We can see your pictures 
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Quite difficult to self administer, given that is injected with a long cannula and has to be precisely and carefully maneuvered.
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I would highly disagree with you. Obviously we are not talking about sagginess that can only be solved by surgery. Although injections are uncomfortable, they do work which can be seen by the thousands of studies, case reports and literally the before and after pictures. You could always prevent the severity of wrinkling, sagginess of the neck, etc… with certain treatments and injections. This way it wouldn’t progress to the point where your only resort would be surgery.
Genes do play a role but not the degree people attribute it to. It is an easy scapegoat.
Read the MOA of Radiesse and you will find out why it is effective on mild to moderate sagginess in certain areas. Radiesse specifically activates the skin’s natural collagen to grow, and the skin regains its tightness and elasticity.
It is widely accepted to work.
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I did self injecting and used only sharps. I didn’t need much correction at that time, so it was pretty easy but extremely painful for couple minutes immediately after injection (I used it without lidocaine).
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I stand by my statement.
I see I touched a nerve. Sorry.
Perhaps it’s just a matter of semantics.
But, of course, no one ever sees us as we see ourselves.
We can slather on beauty products and perhaps it improves our appearance, but we really are not fooling anyone but ourselves. There are ageless beauties all over the world using no cosmetics or supplements, except perhaps a little olive or coconut oil, and they accomplish this by genes. As LaraPo says, we can do our best to slow it down.
Gravity and loss of elasticity along with fundamental changes to our facial bone, muscle, and cartilage structure are not going to be changed by any of your “look younger” products.
“With age, that fat loses volume, clumps up, and shifts downward, so features that were formerly round may sink, and skin that was smooth and tight gets loose and sags. Meanwhile other parts of the face gain fat, particularly the lower half, so we tend to get baggy around the chin and jowly in the neck.”
And that is just the head. How about that underarm sagginess that comes with age, weight loss and sarcopenia?
My skin looks pretty good for an 82 yr. old. The only things I use on my skin are the rapamycin spray for about the last year and tretinoin 0.1% off and on for the last several years.
That said, I don’t pretend to look anything but old.
Two pictures of myself taken 18+ months apart. You can see that as I get older and still continue to lose a little body fat I am not able to stave off some crepey underarm sagging.
My goal is not to live to be 100 and look 20 years younger but to live to be 100 and look 20 years old.
Ponce and I are still in the swamp looking for that fountain of youth.
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@desertshores dont sell yourself short: for guy in his eighties living in AZ you look fantastic. An honest evaluation: I’ve been to AZ loads of times and most older people there look like dehydrated leather goods (the dryness and high-desert sun isn’t kind over the years). The long-time runners look even worse (even when in great shape).
Here in NYC (the land of ridiculously excessive fillers) I see plenty of 60 year olds who’s skin looks far worse than yours. I’d gather that the exercise and tretinoin actually work, although won’t likely make you look thirty again (which is your point). (Then again, I see plenty of 20 year olds at the beach who are habitually in the sun with skin about on par with yours, albeit darker).
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I totally agree with @Ericross2. Many ppl 20-30 years younger would envy your skin. It’s amazing especially for Arizona. I hope that it’s effect of Rapamycin and other supplements, not just good genes.
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Since I have taken a boatload of supplements daily for years, who knows?
My opinion however is it is primarily genes. Both my mother and father had very good skin into old age. We are mostly of Scandinavian descent.
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