Estriol Experiment: Human Male: N of 1

I know I asked this question before, but since there’s a good possibility that the product was not legitimate or otherwise not any good, then I think it would be of great public interest what brand you used.

Actually, it would be of public interest which brand you used if it turned out that the product worked.

I planned on added estriol to my longevity stack and to be honest your results (or seemingly lack-there-of thus far) have put me off from making the investment.

Surely you can tell us the brand without compromising the info of the supplier.

An old woman on youtube just gave it up. Save this video. Some things are being disappeared . I’m off on the road, good luck bros. It’s Interleukin-6.

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Still on the road in a desert but my final lab results are in: First Look:

  1. Product is good, its real E3
  2. Levine markers trending slightly lower overall, And noticeable cumulative negative effect on gross score.
  3. Changes on classic hormone markers. End testosterone markers lower Some noticeable decrease in libido after last large bolus dose
  4. End result? I certainly don’t recommend for what I call the TesBros, i.e those taking exogenous testosterone.
    Through most of the experiment my libido was fine, but I’m taking huge amounts of PDE5; 2x20mgCialis/wk and 3x100mgSildenifil/wk and I have an unusual jelqing routine.Thus my results are not extrapolable.
    BUT No titty soreness;)

Plan going forward? I need to check hormones in a couple of weeks to see if they have rebounded, which I expect.
Then if OK, I’ll do a monthly weekend 3 days of 4mg each day.

Of course this is NOT a recommendation or suggestion for general use. If anything this is a cautionary tale. Remember what our richest cuz did with our dearest luv rapa?
There be dragons.

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Did you have the pills tested, or are you basing this on bloodwork you got showing higher estriol levels?

Blood work, complicated, composing long post on it now.

Final Blood Work Summary
I had 3 blood draws for this experiment: pre-dosing, 1 week, and the final 3rd week. The first 2 draws were just sex hormones. The final draw included lipids/met plus I added on FSH and LH. The first week I ramped from 1mg to 3mg. Weeks 2 and 3, I ramped from 3mg to 6mg. At the end of the 3rd week I stopped dosing, took my lipid/met tests the next morning, came home, took 12mg, waited 2 hours, and had the final hormone test draw. I did not do a full blood panel except at the end, as I’d had 2 or 3 just this year. I only decided to add FSH and LH after reading about their importance. At first, I was mainly concerned with testosterone and the estrogens.

Levine Markers
As I mentioned previously, most of my Levine markers went in the wrong direction by small amounts, which resulted in a pheno calculated age score about 11 years younger than my bio age. I tested twice earlier this year at 14 and 15 years younger.

Minor Out of Range Issues
Other red out-of-range values that I didn’t consider particularly important:

  1. Sodium and chloride slightly low: I don’t eat much salt, and they’ve been borderline low for several years, sometimes slipping into the red reference range as they did for this test.
  2. RBC, hemoglobin, and hematocrit slightly low: They’ve been slightly low for about 2 years. My PCP isn’t worried about it. I take VitB and iron and never feel general fatigue. Although it could be bone cancer or multiple myeloma, which my mother died from, I took a blood marker test for MM a while back, and it came back negative.
  3. Urine glucose high: I take dapagliflozin.

Hormones
The sex hormones are difficult to interpret, but the numbers look “bad.” They weren’t that great to begin with. However, I have never felt physiologically inadequate, and for most of the test, my libido was fine. The last few days there was a noticeable decrease in tumescence, but still sufficient rigidity for “functionality.” After the bolus dose, we went on a brutal week-long desert cross-country trip with little sleep, intermittent food, and water. Even considering those “distractions,” I would judge my libido as being impaired for 5 or 6 days after the bolus dose, i.e., minimal morning erections. It’s been a very long time since I’ve had sex behind an outhouse in the desert, and regardless of any exogenous estriol intake, and in any case, considering the sunburn, snakes, gravel, sand, and splinters, at this decade of my life, I’m in no shape or mood for it. So there’s a lot of “noise” around these “impressions” and despite these confounding factors, from my perspective, there’s a clear decrease in libido with large doses.

Next steps?
I’ll check my hormones in a month or so. Then I might try a few weeks at low dose (1 or 2 mg) to see what my hormones look like. Recall that after a week at low dose most of my hormones looked better, so I’m not giving this baby up yet.

A post script, if you please.
“S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse / a persona che mai tornasse al mondo, / questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. / Ma perciocchè giammai di questo fondo / non tornò vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero, / senz’ tema d’infamia ti rispondo.”

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Final estriol blood test 2hrs after 12mg, I had estimated a reading of 180-240 picograms.

This final mega-dose registered on the blood test as less than 200 picograms while the reference range is less than 180 picograms. The first two tests came back with less than 100 picograms which I interpreted to be the lower limit of quantification. Thus I interpret this final reading to mean between 180 and 200 picograms, which is in-line with what I had anticipated based on the MS-estriol experiment. Also it’s weird that the “0.20” is in green. It is clearly greater than the 0.18 reference range. And the last test mentions “dilution” meaning a “qualitative” type test.
Their thinking could be as follows:
Everybody knows this is a crude wide bandwidth color interpretation reading and your actual level definitely is less than 0.20 and could be somewhat lower, but we’re not really sure. It is probably above 0.18, but even if it’s over a little bit, it’s close enough to be OK, so we’ll give it a green, since we really don’t know and its not way high. And besides you’re a man, and so this is a silly test so we’re not going to complicate things by making it red.

Which is really sloppy scientific rationalization, but that is the only way I can see to explain the number being green even if above reference range.
Here is a screenshot of what the first two estriol tests showed:


So I really don’t know exactly what it means.

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PostScript:
Today I’m starting to finally feel that “my strength is back”. I had a 2 day break from the gym and when I went back this morning, my muscles felt strong, I felt strong.

I am still still “weaker” than before the experiement in that I had to cut the weight back, but I think I can ramp up to former loads fairly quickly, perhaps 2 weeks. Plus physiologically, mentally, and “drive”-wise, I finally feel restored.

There was the serious confounding factor of the desert trip, and that is difficult to filter out or account for, but still my perception is that the 2 week higher dose period combined with the final large bolus dose decreased my energy levels and made me more fatiqued and “weaker”.

At some point I’ll dive back in with a lower dose and different time spans, but I’ve got to catch up on my monthly rapamycin that I missed last month.

A Happy Thanksgiving to All!

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