Don’t waste your money on expensive EVOO or ‘high polyphenol’ olive oil!

The rct evidence suggests that canola doesn’t lower apo b (relative to sunflower oil) and rct evidence shows EVOO does lower apo b (relative to sunflower oil)

But there aren’t any decent head to head rcts looking at Canola vs EVOO.

There’s also evidence showing EVOOs positive impact re oxidation of ldl-c, blood pressure, blood glucose and inflammation.

Given the weight of evidence I’m really surprised anyone would favour canola oil over EVOO. Canola seems to reduce the volume of ldl-c, but not the number of particles, suggesting it shrinks particle size rendering the ldl-c more susceptible to oxidation. The cost of EVOO isn’t a huge issue in the UK (£8 a litre, so £1 for 1,100kj). Is it more expensive in the US?

Here are some studies supporting all this:

Effects of dietary virgin olive oil phenols on low density lipoprotein oxidation in hyperlipidemic patients - PubMed.

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I consume canola oil and find it useful for some types of cooking. Overall, however, high quality EVOO is in a different league as a targeted health supplement. With respect to ASCVD, keep in mind that atherogenic particles (primarily ApoB and Lp(a)) cause damage only in the presence of inflammation, one metric for which is OxLDL.

For EVOO:

  • PREDIMED (Estruch et al., 2013; corrected 2018) remains the landmark RCT — ~7,400 high-CV-risk participants, Mediterranean diet supplemented with ~4 tbsp/day EVOO reduced major adverse cardiovascular events (MACE) by ~31% vs. control (low-fat diet). This is a hard-outcome RCT, one of the few in nutritional science.
  • PREDIMED-Plus (ongoing, ongoing publications) continues to show benefits of Mediterranean diet with EVOO as the primary fat source.
  • Observational data from the Mediterranean cohort studies consistently show reduced ASCVD incidence with higher EVOO consumption.

For Canola Oil:

  • There is no comparable hard-outcome RCT. The CO evidence base is almost entirely composed of lipid biomarker studies and surrogate endpoint trials.
  • The COMIT (Canola Oil Multicenter Intervention Trial) — Jenkins et al., 2014 — is the most rigorous CO-specific trial. It compared five dietary oils/blends in a crossover design. Conventional canola oil and a DHA-enriched canola blend both improved lipid profiles (LDL-C, total:HDL ratio) compared to the Western diet control, and performed comparably to or slightly better than other plant oils on some measures. But this measured biomarkers, not events.

Assessment: EVOO has the stronger ASCVD evidence by a substantial margin, primarily because PREDIMED actually measured what we care about. CO advocates are essentially arguing from mechanism and biomarker extrapolation.

The omega-6:omega-3 ratio in CO (~2:1) is frequently cited as superior to EVOO’s (~12:1), and from a theoretical standpoint this is reasonable. However, ALA-to-EPA/DHA conversion efficiency is notoriously poor (~5–8% to EPA, <1% to DHA), substantially discounting the practical omega-3 benefit

The claim that CO outperforms EVOO rests on a narrow evidentiary base — primarily modest LDL-C advantages and the theoretical omega-3 benefit from ALA. This is not nothing, but it’s insufficient to dethrone EVOO as the more cardiovascularly beneficial oil when the full evidence landscape is considered:

Synthesis and Assessment

Domain CO Advantage EVOO Advantage
ALA/omega-3 content ✓ (modest practical benefit)
LDL-C reduction ✓ (marginal)
ApoB reduction ≈ (comparable)
Lp(a) effects ≈ (limited data for both)
Polyphenol bioactivity ✓✓ (strong)
Inflammation markers ✓✓ (robust)
oxLDL reduction
Hard CV outcome RCTs ✓✓ (PREDIMED)
Oxidative stability
LDL particle quality ✓ (speculative)
  • A key consideration: EVOO polyphenols reduce LDL oxidizability. Oxidized LDL (oxLDL) is the atherogenically active fraction. If EVOO produces a somewhat higher LDL-C but with substantially less oxidized LDL, the net atherogenic burden may actually favor EVOO. Fitó et al. and others have demonstrated EVOO polyphenol-mediated reduction in oxLDL independent of LDL-C levels. This is mechanistically important and likely underweighted in studies that only report standard lipid panels.
  • ApoB-to-LDL-C dissociation: EVOO’s effect on LDL particle size and density deserves attention. High-polyphenol EVOO may favorably shift LDL particle phenotype (toward larger, less dense particles), reducing ApoB per unit LDL-C — though the evidence here is less robust and needs more direct particle counting studies (NMR lipoprotein profiling).

Speculative judgment: The “canola is better” argument likely emerges from a combination of: (1) industry-adjacent research funding (the Canadian canola industry is sophisticated and active), (2) an overweighting of lipid panel biomarkers relative to inflammation and particle quality, and (3) a failure to distinguish between genuine high-polyphenol EVOO and generic olive oil in the comparison studies. When you move the goalposts from fasting LDL-C to ApoB, oxLDL, inflammatory mediators, and hard outcomes, the evidentiary advantage shifts decisively toward EVOO.

The most defensible position remains: for a patient replacing SFA (butter, lard, coconut oil) with either CO or EVOO, both are substantial improvements. But for the marginal comparison between CO and high-polyphenol EVOO specifically, the current evidence does not support CO’s superiority and arguably supports EVOO’s, particularly for inflammation-driven ASCVD risk.
RCC on Olive Oil & Inflamation 2025-36.pdf (1.6 MB)

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I use canola oil almost exclusively for cooking because of its high smoke point and neutral flavor. I take a shot of EVOO early every morning along with my supplements that are better taken with some fats. The quantity of canola oil I consume is low compared to either its benefits or risks.

“Canola oil is a versatile, neutral-flavored vegetable oil derived from specifically bred varieties of the rapeseed plant. It is one of the most widely used cooking oils due to its high smoke point and low saturated fat content.”

  • Best Uses: Its high smoke point of 400°F to 475°F (204°C to 246°C) makes it ideal for high-heat applications like deep frying, stir-frying, and sautéing.
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All oils are the fat equivalent of pure sugar. Canola Oil or Olive Oil it doesn’t matter, you are stripping the original food of nutrients and eating the most calorie dense substance that it is possible to create. You could add pure sugar to these oils and it would reduce the calorie density! There is some massive cognitive dissonance going on with longevity pursuers trying to push nutrient stripped fats as healthy. As mentioned in this thread, if you want polyphenols there are dramatically (over an order of magnitude!) more calorie efficient ways to acquire them. This whole thing is absolute madness that needs some rigorous first principles thinking. It makes me question the whole longevity sphere if people believe in these things.

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Replacing saturated fatty acids for alpha-linolenic and linolenic acid causes massive improvements in lipids.

So yeah they’re healthy relative to other foods.

For something high quality, you’d be looking at Oliviers and Co (for example), where you’re looking at £50 per 500ml or thereabouts, for freshly harvested, quickly processed etc: https://oliviersandco.com/olive-oil

Whatever you’re buying for that cheap probably isn’t EVOO, and definitely won’t be high quality. [Edit: apparently I am incorrect about this statement]

That said, who knows whether any of that really matters. As others have said, even a very high quality EVOO has polyphenols of 500mg/kg, which isn’t very high overall.

Yeah, this is a really interesting POV which I’ve also thought about.

Still, I take 10ml of EVOO every morning. One rationale is to improve the absorption of the other fat/fat-soluble compounds which I take alongside (astaxanthin, vitamin D, EPA). And, we have the PREDIMED study, plus several other smaller studies. Obviously these aren’t perfect, but EVOO is repeatedly associated with positive health outcomes. I don’t think there’s anything magical about EVOO, but I’m pretty confident that it isn’t harmful, and I can afford 90 kcal every day.

No, you’re incorrect, the labelling rules are very strict. In Europe and UK evoo is just a lot cheaper than the US. We are looking to make our own in France and looked into it - the inspection regime etc is fierce and even once it’s bottled the polyphenol levels can be measured so consumers know what they’re getting.In Greece you can buy from local producers direct “from the barn” for <€5 a litre.

Extra virgin classification is all about mechanical only extraction and doesn’t guarantee high polyphenol count. But it’s easy to buy a high polyphenol count evoo for £8 a litre or less.

The legal standard threshold for health claims is 250 mg/kg and you can buy evoo at that level for as little as £7 a litre. You can go more expensive of course and we go for an very niche early harvest artisanal evoo for salads but even that is only £21 a litre.

  • Terra Delyssa (Standard 1L)

: Retailing for approximately £7.00 – £11.85 at Sainsbury’s and Tesco. It is the most affordable single-origin oil with guaranteed traceability

In France, this exact olive is be even cheaper. I’ve bought a litre there for just over €5.

I’m fascinated why the US hasn’t started It’s own production - Napa valley would be perfect. Olive grow best in the same soil as wine grapes but can cope with drier conditions. The new tech for shaking olives from the tree means it can be very low labour intensive.

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Wow, I stand corrected. Thanks for the information. I did watch a documentary once (I am UK-based) about fake EVOO, or it only having a small % of EVOO in the bottle to be able to label it as so.

So do you reckon the Oliviers stuff is just a rip-off?

Other points to consider:

The approximate equivalence of 1 TBSP of high-polyphenol EVOO is roughly 4 to 5 naturally cured olives (such as Kalamata or Greek Green).

It is important to note that while the whole olive provides more total polyphenols per gram of lipid, the bioavailability of these compounds is often higher in the oil. In EVOO, the phenols are already liberated from the fruit matrix and dissolved in the lipid medium, which may facilitate more efficient micellarization and absorption in the small intestine.

A more speculative but theoretically interesting point involves the specific secoiridoid oleocanthal.

While whole olives are richer in total hydroxytyrosol, the enzymatic transformation that occurs during the crushing of olives is what generates high concentrations of oleocanthal (the compound responsible for the pungent “peppery” throat sting). Therefore, it is possible that for specific anti-inflammatory pathways—specifically those mimicking ibuprofen-like activity—1 TBSP of a high-oleocanthal EVOO may actually be more potent than its equivalent weight in whole, cured olives, as the curing process may favor the degradation of secoiridoids into simpler phenolic forms.

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At 85, I need the calories; my BMI is now 21. Loss of appetite is the main factor.
If you think EVOO is equivalent to taking sugar, you are living on another planet.

It looks delicious, but I suspect there’s quite a markup for the Olivers&Co brand.

If you love early harvest i really recommend this, which is very peppery amd comes in a 3l bag for £21 a litre: *NEW* Sicilian Extra Virgin Olive Oil *October 2025 Harvest* – OGGLIO

But we get through over a litre a week (family of 4) so also use cheaper evoo too. As long as it’s decent and proper extra virgin, I’m in.

Mainly because I’m a firm believer in quantity when it comes to evoo. The advantages of evoo go way beyond its polyphenol count: and include “crowding out” other oils/fats (butter, vegetable oils) and also other foods (slathered on pasta you eat half as much padta before being full and the blood sugar spike is dampened.

Evoo also makes other nutrient dense foods delicious and so makes eating them a daily event. I eat a lot of salads with red onions, capers, olives, beetroot, chickpeas, herbs, pomegranate etc simply because the evoo makes them so delicious.

The problem i see with expensive evoo is that people are loathe to consume 50ml+ a day when its £60+ a bottle. But when it’s only £8 a litre, that’s not a worry.

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If you need to boost your appetite look into Ibutamoren — grehlin receptor agonist but also hgh secretalogue and if I recall you were interested in hgh. Side effects include insulin resistance and high glucose so only makes sense if that side of things is taken care of.

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