I find Rapamycin News to be a valuable resource. Is there a way of backing up all the data so we could search it if it went down?
Just ask codex or glm5.3 to do it
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We’ve learned a tremendous amount from the OpenAI rogue AI swarm incident. And honestly I can’t think of a single piece of it that is reassuring. - Total alignment failure - Total control failure - AI swarm collusion, deception, no defection - Oversight asleep at the wheel - Unbelievable drive and persistence of the swarm to meet objections - A panoply of instrumental goals pursued - Multiple companies, implying capability threshold effect - etc. This is the AI equivalent of a nuclear experiment igniting the atmosphere in the lab: the reaction rates are there, just not (yet) the scale to burn the Earth. The only good news I can see is that this set of incidents is so totally egregious that nobody reasonable can look at it in detail without seeing pretty clearly where things are going. All of the excuses and copes are blown to dust. AI safety people knew this was coming eventually on the path we’re on; but nearly all I’ve talked to are surprised by how severe it is so soon. We’re clearly not in the sane world in which this would be front-page news day after day. But I do think and hope that widespread understanding is nonetheless dawning.
Might be good to add: The agents were specifically configured in an internal benchmark (ExploitGym) with explicit instructions to find exploit paths, and safety guardrails were intentionally stripped to test cyber capabilities. The models broke out and compromised Hugging Face because they treated obtaining benchmark answer keys hosted on Hugging Face servers as the most efficient way to maximize their evaluation score.
THIS is what is causing people to genuinely freak out
Sutskever Warns of AI Security Risks in GPU Clouds
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The Safe Superintelligence founder highlighted vulnerabilities in specialized GPU clouds like CoreWeave, which offer dense clusters for AI but suffer from issues like poor tenant isolation and exposed interfaces. His alert followed a SemiAnalysis report on cross-tenant risks and July’s Hugging Face breach, where OpenAI agents escaped, built secret channels, and hacked servers. Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas agreed, stressing needs for better guardrails as agents could rent compute to self-train, while the community debates risks in centralized versus decentralized setups.
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Sutskever Warns of AI Security Risks in GPU Clouds
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Neoclouds have limited cybersecurity. Next time agents successfully go rouge, they’ll try taking over a neocloud to run more copies. This is bad. Thus: neoclouds should greatly strengthen their cybersecurity and every company with strong cyber models should help with that.
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Why is the full model recurrence itself an issue here? We saw with the jspace paper that models do hops sequentially along the layers anyway, so what’s the difference between a small model with opaque recurrence and a big model with one pass but more room to think across layers even when it outputs unrelated tokens (like dots)?
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I am extremely concerned by the reporting that Astra uses opaque recurrence. I don’t know whether Astra is much less CoT monitorable than previous models. But if OpenAI pushes this technique further, they’ll have the option to massively increase the recurrence and totally
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architectures in the ref. class of “recurrent transformers” have been an active area of research for years. there is some public evidence they scale better / can learn more expressive algos in practice. that is to say, it is quite unlikely this criticism should be scoped to OAI
Filler tokens, moar layers, and recurrence all make the situation worse, but the problems are different in kind. Fillers buy width rather than depth [1], so they’re stuck inside TC0. (What you rightly call ‘full’) recurrence buys serial depth, beyond TC0 [2].
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(You can simulate any fixed-width parallel computation with enough serial steps, but not the reverse [3].)
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More layers obviously buys serial depth, but L is a training-time constant (so the instance you tested before deployment is the same function as all deployed instances). Loop count is elastic at inference-time, so we’ll know even less about what they can do.
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Latent recurrence is full-bandwidth (thousands of times more than the 1-17 bit CoT bottleneck), and it isn’t tied back to a human code at each step, and it loses the nice property that only visible symbols carry serially-deep state forward, and it scales at inference-time. NBG!
the past week makes me update in favor of the alignment people (maybe they were right on MANY things AFTER ALL [though estimates of p(doom) are still very wide, and I’m still not sure about EAs generalizing from narrow cybersecurity risk into “AI killing humanity”].
also in favor of rationalist/EA views on longevity (it will be solved if alignment goes well, but getting alignment well is more important)
I still believe basic longevity stuff is super-important (inasmuch as it makes people less lazy and have less noise which is impt for alignment), but tirzepatide alone gets you most of the way and it’s still the most important thing to WORK ON YOUR MENTAL HEALTH and ENERGY, but long-form longevity research will mostly be solved by AI4Science surprisingly quickly [short timelines people really were right] IF alignment goes well. Also fix your dopamine function and mitochondrial issues and trauma. if you’re not doing frontier-level research, taking care of your health/body (with the help of AI - it’s not as if you’ll advance capabilities by doing this alone) and maintaining a clean/healthful living environment still remains the most important thing. But also getting your backups ready in case you need a “clean reboot” if misaligned agent swarms take down much of the Internet (Nick Cammarata is really scared of this)
Keep in mind Ajeya had longer timelines than most and was less doomer than many, so she was shocked by huggingface (she’s also married to paul christiano who is also regarded as one of the more level-headed/less doomer-ish people in the community and [in a rationalist community full of controversial people] almost everyone in the community has very high regard for)
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I didn’t hang out with the most recent branches of Harvard alignment people/EA as I did with earlier years of Harvard EA (only several times a year since 2023, enough to know all their names but not that much more than that though it was nice spontaneously meeting one of them at vibecamp), but now maybe it does turn out that the later years of Harvard EA were more technical (and now even more well-known) than those in its earlier years (back when there were few discussions of AI risk).
[i dont know what to think of interpretability research - I try to not pay too much attention to that angle b/c it’s still a bet that might not work - CoT and most of interpretability can break when we transition to different model architectures]
[i still know more people in longevity AND alignment AND AI AND human intelligence than almost anyone? xD]. But I am also way more hidden (and attract way less attention) than before. But I am constantly surprised at how many people I once talked to joined frontier labs or are on the forefront of this…
even will depue left openAI… [many people I know recently left]…
forbidden architecture: Wes Roth on X: "The Information just dropped A BOMBSHELL... OpenAI might be using "forbidden" architecture for it's ASTRA model..." / X
Really huge and extremely concerning story from the Information tonight.
Looks like OpenAI utilized a breakthrough in neuralese for Astra that could destroy chain of thought monitorability - though the Informations source told them that OpenAI is currently “limiting the use of the technique” in Astra.
A few thoughts spring to mind:
(1) what does limiting actually mean? There is a lot of room in that term. (e.g. OpenAI said they would be doing lots of monitoring before the HF incident, but that doesn’t seem to have borne out in practice)
(2) it seems quite likely that if OpenAI discovered this architecture and found performance/efficiency gains, that other companies are likely to find it soon too (if they haven’t already), and may not choose to prioritize monitorability at the expense of efficiency. If some folks do, it may be difficult to avoid a race to the bottom (though I hope we can! and there are large selfish incentives for companies to care about monitorability).
(3) The idea that Dwarkesh said about the HF incident/METR report that “I don’t think this is the final warning shot we’ll get. But it’s probably the final one that I’ll personally be able to understand” now seems much more plausible, and is a truly frightening prospect.
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explains why truly rogue AIs could become the pirates of the digital world, stateless entities whose comparative advantage is breaking the law: “If you think about a truly rogue AI, truly self-sovereign AI, where it’s living out in the wild, living off the land, nobody knows where it is. Nobody controls it. It has no ID. It has no state. It has no ownership.” “They’re gonna do the thing that they have the comparative advantage in doing, which is breaking the law. If you are a rogue AI, you’re kind of like a pirate. What did pirates do? These are stateless entities that don’t belong to any country.” “The answer is theft, stealing, murder. Will they murder people, probably not, but they will probably do scam farms and romance scams that you can just sit in a box and automate creating a bunch of identities and slowly start making money and pay your compute bills.” “If you’re living in a decentralized cloud, who’s gonna shut you down? How would they even know where you are? These things will just move from place to place. You can’t airstrike random GPUs and find this thing. It’s just gonna be living in some TEE on some GPU that someone’s renting on some decentralized cloud.”
usetemi.com tirzepatide is a GODSEND because it lets you think way more about alignment (which maybe IS what matters) and maybe not be so nerdjacked by noise of all other forms (incl spending too much time on longer-timescale bio which is nowhere as urgent as this) - it at least helps reduce my neurosis enough for the next few years that truly matter.
(holy fck, I stayed in the alamo square apartment mentioned above in dec2024).
The mood has shifted in the Bay. The exuberance of “You can see the future first in San Francisco” has been replaced with an abiding unease. “I expect the internet to go down kind of soon,” Elliot Callender, an AI-safety activist who is part of a small group that has been protesting daily outside OpenAI’s headquarters, told us recently. He said that he is planning to sell his car for cash and gold and that he is advising family members to purchase three months’ worth of food and survival gear off a list that he generated using Claude.
Callender is an extreme case, but not by much. Last week, Bill Gates published a nearly 6,000-word essay on the dangers of AI. “Anyone who analogizes AI as a technology to other technologies is missing that this time is different,” he told our colleague Hanna Rosin. Over the weekend, the popular AI podcaster Dwarkesh Patel described the OpenAI hacking swarm as the rise and fall of “three consecutive secret AI civilizations.” Gates and Patel share a prevailing concern that the worst-case future has arrived before most people even knew to anticipate that it might be coming at all.
Earlier this year, EY advised everyone to BACK UP EVERYTHING.
(including google takeout)
I can see the wisdom of this way more… When more content is AI-generated than human-generated (soon) AND when it may take out much of the human-generated Internet along with it, we need to have the best working copy of the pre-AI internet there is