Bryan Johnson Longevity Protocol Discussion (2024)

It’s an interesting presentation. BJ’’s Don’t Die concept is not new. Existence has always been the highest priority since the dawn of our species. BJ simply elevated the concept to a new level supported by a renewed interest in longevity. Good timing! Old concept. It gives direction to many in the chaos of everyday life.

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On his webpage he mentions various blood biomarkers. His LDL is 74, HDL 73, 158 Total Cholesterol. His list of supplements includes Red Yeast Rice, which lowers LDL (natural statin)

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It will be funny in the next 20 years when they discover that some of his methods are wrong… which has happened to many stuff before such as eating eggs… The more I read about him the more I think he is a salesman like David Sinclair… selling snake oil… I have no idea why people are so adverse about dying… I am more interested in staying independent. I am sure many of you are aware you can “die” in your sleep just by asking for it when it is nearly the time.

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I disagree. I think Bryan Johnson truly believes in what he is doing and if science changes its mind, he will too.

Of course, he’s also trying to cash in on it as well as any good American capitalist would. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I think both @adriank and @DeStrider are right in a way.

The combination of massive amounts of items that are likely working on the same pathway is wasted, who knows if counter productive, given the typical pattern of a sweet spot in the middle and going to a high dose might worsen outcomes.

Then interactions between items that cancel each other out or together result in a worse outcome than nothing is a risk.

It’s going to be complicated to figure all this out, if not impossible.

I’m adverse to dying, until the time is right. So doing the sensible things to avoid this, and health complications is my focus. Getting to 100 and able to hike, and be mentally intact … that’s a win. Being demented and sarcopenic with poor quality of life is what most of us think about when we talk about 100 years old.

However, for those of us doing a whole number of things to slow aging and risks - is our 100 going to be totally different than this? That is the hope, assuming we even make it there.

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I think he sees himself as some form of religious or political leader as well.

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There is an argument, however, that they would be additive to a point, but the side effects from them would vary so that they would not be additive in the form of side effects.

That’s why I take a combination of HDAC inhibitors. The total HDAC inhibition should be additive, but the side effects should not.

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Biohackers are so f**cking stupid sometimes. Supplements good because natural. Medication bad because not natural and some schizos complain about them on reddit. But rapamycin and acarbose also good because not popular so less schizo complains and work in mice.

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I feel like Longevity like other fields is many times more of an Art rather than a Science, there’s no way there are large randomized controlled trials for everything that’s way too expensive. So basically we just have to go for it what we think make sense and measure things on the way. Even if you had RCT’s for everything they are still just measuring the average response.

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How good is divalproex as Hdac inhibitor in your experience

I don’t use Valproate. AIUI it operates in the nanomole range. I tend to use those in the micromolar range. It is possible to overdo HDAC inhibiition. That is easier to achieve with stronger ones.

divalproex = sodium valproate and valproic acid

Just popping in here to say that I own two of the modalities he used in this video:

Shockwave and EMTT. Haven’t yet used the shockwave device yet as my ankle seems fully rehabilitated. But I did use the EMTT and it helps immensely. Mine is actually a later gen version than the one he’s using — I recognize it from my Chinese vendor. It’s PEMF and EMTT in one, which are the same thing really, except the range of electromagnetic frequencies used for EMTT are a very high subset of what would be considered PEMF. It was so frustrating being pregnant with the sprained ankle as it was strongly counter indicated — though I still used it a handful of times when I was in deep trouble. After delivery it was key to my recovery on that chronic ankle problem. By the time I got the shockwave device it had already healed so I’m keeping it for “next time.”

My husband hates the PEMF / EMTT device because he’s a wuss and gets scared by the involuntary muscle twitching. If anything he probably gets a nocebo effect from it and always says I must be doing some damage when I use it. But he has had a nagging rotator cuff problem of late that’s preventing him from doing pullups and out of desperation let me use it on him. Even he had to admit the shoulder felt a bit better the day after. This was literally last week so we’ll do it again today or tomorrow.

Bottom line, some of this stuff truly works. I’ve personally had great success with TECAR also as an adjunct to PEMF / EMTT for my ankle.

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BLUEPRINT LITE - for the rest of us

So I’ve been following pretty similar to Blueprint diet for the past few days or a bit longer. I think I’m going to stick with it now because I have made it much easier among other things.

For those who are interested in trying, to succeed I suggest to not care about any criteria if it will hinder your progress. and make it as simple as possible.

So I do ‘nutty pudding’ DIY:

  • some frozen blueberries, thawed in microwave in a small bowl.
  • pea protein powder that is sweetened, like standard chocolate flavor.
  • cacao powder
  • small amounts of cinnamon
  • EVOO
  • macdemia or almond milk

Mix those together, then add some walnuts and macademia nuts. Walnuts provide EFA. This takes a few minutes to prepare with something most people have at home. Can eat this a few times a day if necessary. If not getting calories from elsewhere in dishes similar to BLUEPRINT LITE or BLUEPRINT.

Bryan had a long tweet and recipe for some blueprint chickpea dish or something. It was too long so I didn’t read it. Instead I just look at the ingredient list and mix it in a small cooking pot.

So his ‘chickpea dish’ in my ultimate blueprint lite approach.

  • 1 clove of garlic
  • EVOO
  • Tomato paste
  • Paprika powder
  • Cumin
  • Red pepper flakes (chili)
  • 1 can of drained chickpeas
  • Za’tar (couldn’t find it)
  • Bay leaves (leave this out as it’s too much work putting them in/out).
    Eat with cauliflower rice that is thawed in microwave.

For the ‘super veggie’ in the blueprint lite diet, put in oven:

  • Broccoli
  • Cauliflower
  • Mushrooms
  • Some drained beans like chickpeas.

Add EVOO afterwards and spices like a bit of cumin and whatever else.

There is no MEAL preparation because that is way too much work, thinking, planning and such, and all of these takes like a few minutes to do anyway and you can change things up a bit. I never even thought about it. Thinking 3 days ahead is too much IMO.

FAQ

Q: I get cravings.
A: Eat more, like extra portions of nutty pudding, and earlier. Cravings are highest when calorie intake is low for the day.

Q: What about AGE’s/Microplatics/Heavy metals/Processed food/Ultra processed??
A: Good. Might be addressed partly in the future. This is BLUEPRINT LITE, not blueprint or Mediterranean, WFPB, or whatever else. If you want the best while still being simple then just buy blueprint and/or order the meal delivery service.

Q: SODIUM
A: Keep it low but don’t eliminate it. I eat added sodium from the beans, tomato paste etc and I think that is enough for me.

Q: It doesn’t taste so good.
A: Try different ingredients/powders (i.e choice of protein powder), make sure it is sweetened. Transform dishes from Blueprint examples to LITE versions that are as easy to make as above.

so

Anyway this seems to work for me. It should be pretty inexpensive. I am on the blueprint lite diet except on special occasions! I can recommend trying it.

Any thoughts/questions/feelings?

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As a WFPB person, that all looks outstanding to me and thx for the cheat sheet.

Because you don’t love the taste, I wanted to share this recipe that is reminiscent of that chickpea dish you shared incase it was of interest on the days you want to put in a little more effort. It’s still very easy and it’s an ‘OMG I CAN’T BELIEVE I MADE THAT’ level of good

I made it with the correct amount of EVOO once and it was OTT… if you have no problem with sat fat, I highly recommend it. For me, I need to use significantly less… not as good, but still good.

I used non dairy yogurt. Also, you can skip that entire step. (it’s really good, though!)

Fwiw, my breakfast is fairly similar. I usually use homemade soy yogurt instead of pea protein (it’s the easiest thing in the world to make and i love it). I’ll use frozen or fresh blueberries, nuts/seeds etc, Ceylon cinnamon, and at time raspberries

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Thanks. As the creator of the blueprint LITE diet, I think I must stick with it myself for most of the time. Using a food processor and other things I think would unfortunately get me off the diet and getting me closer to blueprint territory. Which might be more culinary and better but put too many firewalls in me for everything else, and not effective in the end for me.

But yes on the days I want to put a little more effort – when you said that I thought ‘no way’, but maybe. I hope I don’t put more effort into it though as then I would do so. I will want to see what happens to my biomarkers and other things and how I’ll feel and how my cravings will change.

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