Alcohol Consumption, Impact on Longevity and Health

Well, when I was in Italy a while back, I sow people eating like pigs. The person eating the least in a restaurant was me LOL, yet I was the fattest in that restaurant, and by US standards I’m in pretty good shape. Actually, the first thing that I noticed when I arrived there was the fact how tinny people were. You would walk miles and couldn’t find a fat person, unless they were American tourists LOL.

So, there’s got to be something else (other than family connections and brothers calling each other ciao bello, true story btw which at first I thought it was weird LOL) why it is so. My hunch is that our food supply is actually poison, not really food. Heard somewhere that there are over 100 chemicals that are freely applied to our food supply, yet they are all banned in Europe. I could even recognize the taste as being better for staple foods, like milk, meat, bread etc…

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Absolutely NOT true about portion sizes at least my experience there. Everywhere I went in restaurant, in bars, and even couple of Italian families (home cooked meals) they ate a lot. I’m not exaggerating saying I ate the least at any table and I love food. They have a different menu all together. They’d start with pasta (couple sometimes three different versions of it), while always having some meat and cheese snacks i.e. prosciutto, salami and/or caprese salad (fresh unsalted cheese, and couple other cheeses) then soup and then main meal, then the desert and at the very end salad (no dressing other than oil and vinegar btw). And yes, always house wine served with food. I was told wine was cheaper than water over there. You could buy a decent bottle of wine for 5 euros (that was 10 years ago though, haven’t been lately) equivalent of what would probably cost $15-$20 here in USA at the time.

I really think the main culprit is the quality of food and the second main one they move a lot. Every evening after meals they walk their piazzas like crazy.

The next thing that caught my attention was how well-dressed people were. On their evening walks they looked more like they were going to a weeding or something LOL.

Oh, yet another thing that was different there were literally no junk food places, with a McDonalds maybe every 150 miles or so. I think in the whole of Milan was only one MCd’ when I was there. Also, another thing that was different there it was the fact that they rarely go out to eat, but they do go almost daily in late afternoons for what they call aperitivo (drinks and light snacks) which bars served at very cheap discounted prices during such time.

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Some areas are quite hilly.

Without looking at the details I cannot say, but I have switched to fasting 3 days a week (unless someone invites me to the pub). This enables eating quite a bit on the non-fasting days.

In the end energy in and energy out are important issues.

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Seriously no food three days a week? That seems like a lot, maybe not healthy/recomended?

Your experience on portion sizes conflicts with mine, especially regarding pasta. if they were really large I think you would find more obesity, which you didn’t. Another factor I forgot to mention is the Italian diet is much more focused on fish and seafood than beef.

Not three days in a row. Three individual days. I am on a rapamycin, eating and binge drinking day at the moment.

I go into ketosis in the evening or night of the fasting day.

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Here it is why we are fat and sick in America:

Why Is American Food Built Different (In the Worst Way)?

The chemical additives to food in the United States compared to the rest of the world is truly mind boggling.

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It’s beyond disgusting. Basically, that is poison which at small doses doesn’t kill you (with one use) but as it accumulates in our bodies it definitely destroys our metabolism and immune system and we end up a 500lbs whale with diabetes, CVD, Cancer and on dialysis LOL. Nothing disgusts me more than this issue about our government.

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What are you referring to?

A myriad of harmful chemicals/additives approved by FDA and allowed to enter our food supply. Many of which are banned in Europe. Uneffing real.

p.s. watch the 30 second YouTube clip above for a small sample

American VS European Food?! :flushed: (Part 2)

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For me, the pleasure only comes from being intoxicated. On taste alone, beer just doesn’t compare to something like CocaCola.

It is fascinating how our tastes vary and the progression over time. Now to be condescending but cola is a very simple taste that plugs a very basic reward center which is why even a child likes it.

Beer, wine, liquor are in the acquired taste arena and are forever associated with intoxication. I like them all despite disliking them the first time I had them. Others humans vary and never really like any of them - or only like one.

Coffee is similar. My sister drinks it every morning but doesn’t really like it. I’ll drink decaf by choice - not worth the trouble most of the time but with a dessert…

It is amazing to me that we as humans have mostly the same need for nutrients but our taste is so wildly different. I guess it is good but makes nutritional studies so difficult.

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Good luck! Let us know the outcomes.

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Beyond the Standard Drink: How Weekly Alcohol Patterns Dictate Stroke and Mortality Risk

This population cohort study applied latent class analysis to middle aged Danish adults to classify drinking behaviors into four specific patterns, demonstrating that the context and frequency of alcohol consumption are highly predictive of health outcomes. The data strongly suggests that frequent heavy drinking significantly elevates stroke risk, whereas low to moderate regular consumption with meals may be associated with a measurable reduction in all cause mortality compared to baseline low level drinkers.

The traditional approach to measuring alcohol consumption relies heavily on calculating total weekly grams of ethanol. This methodology fails to capture the behavioral reality of how humans actually consume alcohol. In an analysis of the Danish Health Examination Survey involving 46,141 middle aged participants, researchers deployed a data driven framework to categorize individuals based on six distinct dimensions of drinking behavior. These dimensions included total volume, frequency of intake, binge episodes, preferred beverage type, and contextual factors such as drinking alone or strictly with meals.

The analysis identified four distinct drinking subpopulations: low drinkers, low to moderate drinkers, moderate regular drinkers, and frequent heavy drinkers. The data reveals profound differences in physiological outcomes across these groups. Frequent heavy drinkers, defined by high weekly volume and a dominant probability of binge drinking, faced a substantially elevated risk of suffering a stroke over the 11.8 year median follow up period.

In contrast, the researchers identified a potential survival advantage for specific subsets of moderate drinkers. Men categorized as low to moderate drinkers and women categorized as moderate regular drinkers who were not taking heart medication demonstrated a lower risk of all cause mortality when evaluated against low level drinkers. Furthermore, the researchers clearly demonstrated the danger of using complete abstainers as a baseline reference group. Current abstainers exhibited significantly elevated mortality risks, likely serving as a proxy for underlying chronic illnesses that necessitated the cessation of alcohol. By utilizing low drinkers as the reference baseline, the study provides a much cleaner epidemiological look at the true biological impact of different alcohol habits.

Actionable Insights For individuals engineering their lifestyle for maximum healthspan, this research provides highly practical parameters for alcohol consumption. The data points entirely away from binge drinking and isolated consumption, favoring highly controlled and socially integrated patterns.

If alcohol is consumed, the optimal behavioral pattern identified in this cohort involves drinking a median of two to five standard drinks per week. This consumption should ideally consist of wine, spread across one or two days, and consumed specifically alongside meals.

The real world magnitude of deviating from this pattern is significant. Men who engaged in frequent heavy drinking increased their absolute risk of stroke by 23 percent compared to the low drinking baseline, representing a hazard ratio of 1.23. Conversely, maintaining a stable low to moderate drinking pattern was linked to a 13 percent relative reduction in the risk of death from any cause for men. For women, a moderate regular pattern was associated with a 16 percent relative reduction in all cause mortality risk. These effect sizes indicate that a highly structured pattern of light consumption does not accelerate mortality and may offer a slight statistical survival advantage over minimal consumption.

Context/Source

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